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Jaekus wrote:

War Man wrote:

Doubt she'll run, I'd vote for her though if I had to choose between Obama and Palin though. I personally wish Paul Ryan would run for president.

AussieReaper wrote:


She is entitled to her opinion, and I'm happy for her to express it at Church and at home. Not in the classroom of children who should be taught science, not creationism.

For me, teaching kids that the Flintsones is fact, is a deal breaker.
Evolution is not science, no matter how much you say it is.
We're still waiting for your explanation on how carbon dating is a load of crap.
coz its a theory not a fact DERP
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lowing
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Shocking wrote:

I read through 7 pages of this shit, brick walls talking to eachother. Great 'debate' guys, rehash the same rubbish and shoot it down in 50 different ways.

And lowing, it's ridiculous how you're comparing Obama to Palin in terms of intelligence. You can't catch Obama on anything except people he associated / talked to and him mis-speaking. You're comparing this to a woman who has -personally- shown to be completely (wilfully) ignorant of history and biology (the latter indicating a huge lack of knowledge and interest on scientific fields). Furthermore, her cultural background is extremely lacking if she's trying to ban books like Brave New World and Lord of the Flies from a library, deeming them to be 'offending'.

Generally, you don't want someone who doesn't understand science, lacks even the most basic knowledge of history, isn't well-read and who likes to come across as a 'hockey mom' being anywhere near a position of actual power, let alone leading a nation. You don't want to set her across people like Hu Jintao, Putin or Sarkozy to discuss international issues, relations and other political endeavours. She doesn't even personally understand them, is quite probably ignorant of the cultural barrier and isn't articulate on any level bar the most basic forms of conversation. She embodies ignorance and idiocy. You'd see all three of the aforementioned politicians either walking out of the room before she's even started/finished talking or taking full advantage of her stupidity.

Last but not least, as Jay mentioned before, she's got her own TV show in which she has access to the editing and even there she only comes across as a blissfully ignorant woman. Only serves to reinforce the belief that Palin is an idiot, with her own consent to make matters worse.

You're comparing this to your current POTUS, a well read articulate debater, politically savvy summa cum laude Harvard graduate who has at the very least shown to be reasonable. If you can't see the enormous difference between the two then either you are blinded by some sort of hatred for Obama or you seriously need to work on what you value in a leading figure. It's not a difference of opinion, if you truly believe Palin isn't any worse, or maybe even better than Obama, there's something seriously wrong in your reasoning.
You are right, except for him
1. not being able to think for himself and answer any questions unrehearsed,

2. didn't know we have a Marine Corps and not a Marine Corpse,

3.has not done a thing to improve the economy, but has managed to drop us deeper in debt,

4. would rather blame ATMS for the unemployment rate over his govt. decision making,

5. his entire inner circle is made up of felons, racists, terrorists and cheats, 

6. graduating from Columbia but not with honors, yet was accepted into Harvard Law School, suggesting he was offered up, far more than he earned the position there

7. his election to president of HLR was not based on academic achievement( something he admitted)

8.  the deliberate refusal to release, or allow the release, of any of his college records or papers, so we can all see just how smart he really is seems quite suspicious as well given the means by which he was accepted into Harvard and elected as president of the HLR.

Do you really think I can't go on?

But yeah other than any of that shit, Mr. "Transparency"  is a hellova guy. He has been groomed more than he has earned anything that resembles an achievement.
Not sure why it is so hard to accept the fact that Obama ain't no genius either. Point is, no one in or around Washington is, yet you want to single out Palin as the greatest threat? This is what we really disagree on, who has done more damage or will do more damage. and in my opinion it is hard to top Obama in that category. Especially when absolutely everything you accuse Bush for being stupid over, is continued or enhanced by Obama, but according to you, HE is the smart one. Whatever.
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War Man wrote:

Evolution is not science, no matter how much you say it is.
Actually, science is exactly what evolution is. It is theory. Hence it has not been disproven, despite many peoples' attempts to do so.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

but to answer your question directly, what she would have to do to lose my vote: Adopt a liberal/socialist political philosophy.
So in summary, you'd be ready to see an angry uneducated chimp in the white house, with their finger on the button, before a social democrat.

Didn't you try that?

How did it work out?
angry, uneducated chimp, where in the world did you get that?

How did it work out? bout the same as voting in Obama worked out.
Shahter
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lowing wrote:

You are right, except for him
1. not being able to think for himself and answer any questions unrehearsed,

2. didn't know we have a Marine Corps and not a Marine Corpse,

3.has not done a thing to improve the economy, but has managed to drop us deeper in debt,

4. would rather blame ATMS for the unemployment rate over his govt. decision making,

5. his entire inner circle is made up of felons, racists, terrorists and cheats, 

6. graduating from Columbia but not with honors, yet was accepted into Harvard Law School, suggesting he was offered up, far more than he earned the position there

7. his election to president of HLR was not based on academic achievement( something he admitted)

8.  the deliberate refusal to release, or allow the release, of any of his college records or papers, so we can all see just how smart he really is seems quite suspicious as well given the means by which he was accepted into Harvard and elected as president of the HLR.

Do you really think I can't go on?
and palin is better?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Shocking
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lowing wrote:

Not sure why it is so hard to accept the fact that Obama ain't no genius either. Point is, no one in or around Washington is, yet you want to single out Palin as the greatest threat? This is what we really disagree on, who has done more damage or will do more damage. and in my opinion it is hard to top Obama in that category. Especially when absolutely everything you accuse Bush for being stupid over, is continued or enhanced by Obama, but according to you, HE is the smart one. Whatever.
He is not a genius. I'm not arguing that, I wasn't arguing whether he's a good president or not either.

I am stating though that he's a helluvalot better than Palin. However much you dislike the guy, he really is.
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lowing
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Shocking wrote:

Okay War Man, as you have to be very knowledgeable in the field of biology to confidently suggest that evolution is a load of unscientific bollocks, I'd like you to explain to me why it is. You obviously know a thing or two that many of the world's most influential and renowned scientists over the last couple centuries didn't get.

Oh, and they were influential and renowned for their reason, not hocus-pocus and political chit chat.
How can something be cemented in fact when it is in a constant state of revision? I don't recall reading of the "Big Bang FACT", I do recall reading about the "Big Bang Theory".
Shocking
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He said it was unscientific, that's different from stated fact. Although, by now after nearly two centuries of compiling evidence while officially it's still a theory it is more or less regarded as a fact.

That's not what this was about though, it's about War Man saying it's 'not science'.
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Spark
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lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Okay War Man, as you have to be very knowledgeable in the field of biology to confidently suggest that evolution is a load of unscientific bollocks, I'd like you to explain to me why it is. You obviously know a thing or two that many of the world's most influential and renowned scientists over the last couple centuries didn't get.

Oh, and they were influential and renowned for their reason, not hocus-pocus and political chit chat.
How can something be cemented in fact when it is in a constant state of revision? I don't recall reading of the "Big Bang FACT", I do recall reading about the "Big Bang Theory".
There is no such thing as scientific fact in the most precise sense, mathematics excluded (and even then...). Only scientifically useful.

I don't know how many times I've had to explain this but it must be at least 10.

"Evolution is not science" makes about as much sense as claiming that "red is not a colour", though.

Last edited by Spark (2011-06-20 05:06:54)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
lowing
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Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

You are right, except for him
1. not being able to think for himself and answer any questions unrehearsed,

2. didn't know we have a Marine Corps and not a Marine Corpse,

3.has not done a thing to improve the economy, but has managed to drop us deeper in debt,

4. would rather blame ATMS for the unemployment rate over his govt. decision making,

5. his entire inner circle is made up of felons, racists, terrorists and cheats, 

6. graduating from Columbia but not with honors, yet was accepted into Harvard Law School, suggesting he was offered up, far more than he earned the position there

7. his election to president of HLR was not based on academic achievement( something he admitted)

8.  the deliberate refusal to release, or allow the release, of any of his college records or papers, so we can all see just how smart he really is seems quite suspicious as well given the means by which he was accepted into Harvard and elected as president of the HLR.

Do you really think I can't go on?
and palin is better?
Nope, only that I see no reason to label her a "retard" as if she is the exclusive member to that club, when there's plenty of scandal and retardation in Washington to go around.

I will say she is at least smart enough to stay out of the scandalous limelight. I mean unless you consider her haircut or her dress to be a scandal, as it would appear that is the only thing the media can attack.ell they couldn't wait to dig through her emails as governor, only to find nothing they can attack. We get her private emails, and we can not even get Obamas grades in college. Yeah ok.

Last edited by lowing (2011-06-20 05:08:27)

lowing
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

Not sure why it is so hard to accept the fact that Obama ain't no genius either. Point is, no one in or around Washington is, yet you want to single out Palin as the greatest threat? This is what we really disagree on, who has done more damage or will do more damage. and in my opinion it is hard to top Obama in that category. Especially when absolutely everything you accuse Bush for being stupid over, is continued or enhanced by Obama, but according to you, HE is the smart one. Whatever.
He is not a genius. I'm not arguing that, I wasn't arguing whether he's a good president or not either.

I am stating though that he's a helluvalot better than Palin. However much you dislike the guy, he really is.
Fine, based on what exactly?
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

He said it was unscientific, that's different from stated fact. Although, by now after nearly two centuries of compiling evidence while officially it's still a theory it is more or less regarded as a fact.

That's not what this was about though, it's about War Man saying it's 'not science'.
fair enough
Jaekus
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She's a goody two-shoes, we already knew that. Thanks captain obvious.
lowing
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Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Okay War Man, as you have to be very knowledgeable in the field of biology to confidently suggest that evolution is a load of unscientific bollocks, I'd like you to explain to me why it is. You obviously know a thing or two that many of the world's most influential and renowned scientists over the last couple centuries didn't get.

Oh, and they were influential and renowned for their reason, not hocus-pocus and political chit chat.
How can something be cemented in fact when it is in a constant state of revision? I don't recall reading of the "Big Bang FACT", I do recall reading about the "Big Bang Theory".
There is no such thing as scientific fact in the most precise sense, mathematics excluded (and even then...). Only scientifically useful.

I don't know how many times I've had to explain this but it must be at least 10.

"Evolution is not science" makes about as much sense as claiming that "red is not a colour", though.
I understand that. But there is plenty of examples where the "experts" have declared a fact only to be proven wrong later. Evolution is in a constant state of change as to what we THINK we know to be fact. That is all I am saying. Bottom line is, we do not have the answers as to how we got from there to here.
lowing
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Jaekus wrote:

She's a goody two-shoes, we already knew that. Thanks captain obvious.
lol I love how you turn, NOT being wrapped up in scandal and controversy over anything real, into an insult... Well done.
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

5. his entire inner circle is made up of felons, racists, terrorists and cheats,
Racists are well known to be Democrats.

lowing wrote:

6. graduating from Columbia but not with honors, yet was accepted into Harvard Law School, suggesting he was offered up, far more than he earned the position there
Do you think it was cause he was black?
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Spark
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Science very rarely works like that. A new theory, possibly completely different from evolution, may supersede it, but it will have to produce the same results as evolution and will certainly have to "reduce" to evolutionary theory when certain assumptions/scenarios are envisaged. Theories do not replace each other - they build on each other.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

Evolution is in a constant state of change as to what we THINK we know to be fact. That is all I am saying.
What? Please elaborate. What constant state of change is the evolutionary force taking?
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Shocking
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lowing wrote:

Fine, based on what exactly?
By weighing Palin's 'stupid' to Obama's 'stupid'. That's what's been done in the past 10 pages (7 of which were the creationism argument repeated almost ad infinitum). If you can't see why Palin's antics weigh more heavily on the scales than Obama's, I can't help that.

Obama presents himself as an articulate, smart man. In many ways he is, in debates he did (very) good. He is charismatic and yes probably cunning. Those are all actually useful traits if we look at what politics is. He thinks before he speaks, he's popular internationally.

Granted he has continued the Bush years and does have his negative sides, but the problem is that Palin only has negative sides to her.

Last edited by Shocking (2011-06-20 05:20:07)

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Jaekus
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lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

She's a goody two-shoes, we already knew that. Thanks captain obvious.
lol I love how you turn, NOT being wrapped up in scandal and controversy over anything real, into an insult... Well done.
I love how you turn idiocy into an almost desirable trait in a leader.
lowing
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

5. his entire inner circle is made up of felons, racists, terrorists and cheats,
Racists are well known to be Democrats.

lowing wrote:

6. graduating from Columbia but not with honors, yet was accepted into Harvard Law School, suggesting he was offered up, far more than he earned the position there
Do you think it was cause he was black?
I get it, only white people can be racist. I will agree to disagree.


Affirmative Action, just as good a reason as any other... One reason we know was not a factor was his grades.
lowing
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Evolution is in a constant state of change as to what we THINK we know to be fact. That is all I am saying.
What? Please elaborate. What constant state of change is the evolutionary force taking?
Already gave one example, the theory that modern birds evolved from dinosaurs is a relatively new concept that has grown in acceptance after being strenuously disputed. New species being discovered, animals that were thought to have been long extinct do to evolution have been found to still exist. How can you say nothing that what was believed as fact 100 years ago is different from what is considered fact today?
lowing
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Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

She's a goody two-shoes, we already knew that. Thanks captain obvious.
lol I love how you turn, NOT being wrapped up in scandal and controversy over anything real, into an insult... Well done.
I love how you turn idiocy into an almost desirable trait in a leader.
that is not what I have insinuated. I said she isn't the only idiot in Washington, and there is no reason to present her as if she is.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
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lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Evolution is in a constant state of change as to what we THINK we know to be fact. That is all I am saying.
What? Please elaborate. What constant state of change is the evolutionary force taking?
Already gave one example, the theory that modern birds evolved from dinosaurs is a relatively new concept that has grown in acceptance after being strenuously disputed. New species being discovered, animals that were thought to have been long extinct do to evolution have been found to still exist. How can you say nothing that what was believed as fact 100 years ago is different from what is considered fact today?
You don't get it.

The theory of evolution has not changed.

What changes is how that theory is applied.

This is called science.

Try reading Origin of Species sometime, it's a good book.
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

You are right, except for him
1. not being able to think for himself and answer any questions unrehearsed,

2. didn't know we have a Marine Corps and not a Marine Corpse,

3.has not done a thing to improve the economy, but has managed to drop us deeper in debt,

4. would rather blame ATMS for the unemployment rate over his govt. decision making,

5. his entire inner circle is made up of felons, racists, terrorists and cheats, 

6. graduating from Columbia but not with honors, yet was accepted into Harvard Law School, suggesting he was offered up, far more than he earned the position there

7. his election to president of HLR was not based on academic achievement( something he admitted)

8.  the deliberate refusal to release, or allow the release, of any of his college records or papers, so we can all see just how smart he really is seems quite suspicious as well given the means by which he was accepted into Harvard and elected as president of the HLR.

Do you really think I can't go on?

But yeah other than any of that shit, Mr. "Transparency"  is a hellova guy. He has been groomed more than he has earned anything that resembles an achievement.
Not sure why it is so hard to accept the fact that Obama ain't no genius either. Point is, no one in or around Washington is, yet you want to single out Palin as the greatest threat? This is what we really disagree on, who has done more damage or will do more damage. and in my opinion it is hard to top Obama in that category. Especially when absolutely everything you accuse Bush for being stupid over, is continued or enhanced by Obama, but according to you, HE is the smart one. Whatever.
We're not talking about Obama, we're talking about Palin.

Also LOL
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