If you "take care of the weakest", tell me, what is the incentive for the weak to get stronger?Varegg wrote:
Not as much as you like to think ...Dilbert_X wrote:
Norway is socialist, for the people - not corporations.
The foundation is still based on capitalism similar to the US, we have however implemented quite some socialistic "safety" features and perks ...
Those features eliminates most loopholes that causes corruption in similar economies, the government has a tight grip on the financial markets and businesses, we take care of the weakest (maybe to much but it works) etc etc
A good mix of government and corporations that works together, truly a government both for and by the people
I'm surprised the Scandinavian model doesn't catch on outside our territory ... Ghana state officials however have the last years been flooding Norway to copy our model
Why don't you try getting taller?lowing wrote:
If you "take care of the weakest", tell me, what is the incentive for the weak to get stronger?
Which doesn't have much to do with it.
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you are speaking as if my height is as much in my control as my ambition, drive, attitude, perseverance, motivation etc.. Is that what you are trying to suggest?Dilbert_X wrote:
Why don't you try getting taller?lowing wrote:
If you "take care of the weakest", tell me, what is the incentive for the weak to get stronger?Which doesn't have much to do with it.
I'm suggesting that not everyone has the choices and opportunities available to them that you do.
Some people would be as unable to look after themselves as you would be to grow a third head.
Some people would be as unable to look after themselves as you would be to grow a third head.
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like who exactly? Who other than the handicapped, and children, do not have a choice?Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm suggesting that not everyone has the choices and opportunities available to them that you do.
Some people would be as unable to look after themselves as you would be to grow a third head.
Why do you interpret a failure of ambition and drive on the part of an individual, as a failure of society and is the responsibility of society?
Where in the world do you get belief that equal opportunity equates to equal results?
Are you suggesting the only difference between a crack whore and an astronaut is opportunity?
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The incentive is easily enough that almost all people do want to contribute to society to the best of their abilities, a very few falls outside that category but they are so few so it really isn't an economic factor ...lowing wrote:
If you "take care of the weakest", tell me, what is the incentive for the weak to get stronger?Varegg wrote:
Not as much as you like to think ...Dilbert_X wrote:
Norway is socialist, for the people - not corporations.
The foundation is still based on capitalism similar to the US, we have however implemented quite some socialistic "safety" features and perks ...
Those features eliminates most loopholes that causes corruption in similar economies, the government has a tight grip on the financial markets and businesses, we take care of the weakest (maybe to much but it works) etc etc
A good mix of government and corporations that works together, truly a government both for and by the people
I'm surprised the Scandinavian model doesn't catch on outside our territory ... Ghana state officials however have the last years been flooding Norway to copy our model
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So what is the solution for a country like the USA where those in question consider themselves "entitled", over looking for a means to help themselves. Ya see, this is why my attitude is what it is. When I was in Germany I was left with an impression of pride and civic responsibility. In our country we are infested with the opposite. The more they are given, the more they feel they are entitled. Then when you try to reel in that entitlement you are an evil monster.Varegg wrote:
The incentive is easily enough that almost all people do want to contribute to society to the best of their abilities, a very few falls outside that category but they are so few so it really isn't an economic factor ...lowing wrote:
If you "take care of the weakest", tell me, what is the incentive for the weak to get stronger?Varegg wrote:
Not as much as you like to think ...
The foundation is still based on capitalism similar to the US, we have however implemented quite some socialistic "safety" features and perks ...
Those features eliminates most loopholes that causes corruption in similar economies, the government has a tight grip on the financial markets and businesses, we take care of the weakest (maybe to much but it works) etc etc
A good mix of government and corporations that works together, truly a government both for and by the people
I'm surprised the Scandinavian model doesn't catch on outside our territory ... Ghana state officials however have the last years been flooding Norway to copy our model
The USA is in a different situation, the slave legacy, rap music and naked greed being the biggest problems IMO.lowing wrote:
So what is the solution for a country like the USA where those in question consider themselves "entitled", over looking for a means to help themselves. Ya see, this is why my attitude is what it is. When I was in Germany I was left with an impression of pride and civic responsibility. In our country we are infested with the opposite. The more they are given, the more they feel they are entitled. Then when you try to reel in that entitlement you are an evil monster.
The corporate leaders who feel 'entitled' to take whatever they can get (and don't tell me every one of them is honest, talented and hardworking) and screw everyone else and society to boot are the other side of the entitlement coin.
Its one possible difference, not the only difference.Are you suggesting the only difference between a crack whore and an astronaut is opportunity?
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I get your point and partially understand why you feel that way ...lowing wrote:
So what is the solution for a country like the USA where those in question consider themselves "entitled", over looking for a means to help themselves. Ya see, this is why my attitude is what it is. When I was in Germany I was left with an impression of pride and civic responsibility. In our country we are infested with the opposite. The more they are given, the more they feel they are entitled. Then when you try to reel in that entitlement you are an evil monster.Varegg wrote:
The incentive is easily enough that almost all people do want to contribute to society to the best of their abilities, a very few falls outside that category but they are so few so it really isn't an economic factor ...lowing wrote:
If you "take care of the weakest", tell me, what is the incentive for the weak to get stronger?
Maybe because there is a tradition of not being taken care of in the US, this goes hand in hand with government corruption, if the government enrich itself on behalf of the people the people will grab whatever they can get ...
Capitalism have become a sort of religion in the US is my impression and it seems that there is no restrictions as what means you use to get money, doesn't matter if you hurt people in the process ... not saying it is like that but that's the impression ...
The US citizens is not a unified team anymore ...
The solution? ... I'm not sure actually ... the democrats are the closest you have to implement a more social responsible direction in politics but with vengeful republicans on the other side you really never get anything valuable done for the people of the US ...
A new political system that is more transparent, a set salary for politicians that cannot whatsoever take "bribes" ... your leaders must front the country as good examples not as power/money hungry villains ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
The Germans are a unified team, they aren't all out to screw each other over and pile up as much bling as they can before they die.
Which is why their country is doing so well.
Which is why their country is doing so well.
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master race.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Germans are a unified team, they aren't all out to screw each other over and pile up as much bling as they can before they die.
Which is why their country is doing so well.
Germans are not a race ... and if part of a race it's the same as AmericansCybargs wrote:
master race.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Germans are a unified team, they aren't all out to screw each other over and pile up as much bling as they can before they die.
Which is why their country is doing so well.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
nothing I can disagree with here. One problem I have with democrats however is, they are just as rich as the republicans, and they did not get that way through generosity, teamwork or a sense of "fairness" and "neighborliness". They are for taking from everyone else, except them, while republicans lean toward, I got mine go get yours.Varegg wrote:
I get your point and partially understand why you feel that way ...lowing wrote:
So what is the solution for a country like the USA where those in question consider themselves "entitled", over looking for a means to help themselves. Ya see, this is why my attitude is what it is. When I was in Germany I was left with an impression of pride and civic responsibility. In our country we are infested with the opposite. The more they are given, the more they feel they are entitled. Then when you try to reel in that entitlement you are an evil monster.Varegg wrote:
The incentive is easily enough that almost all people do want to contribute to society to the best of their abilities, a very few falls outside that category but they are so few so it really isn't an economic factor ...
Maybe because there is a tradition of not being taken care of in the US, this goes hand in hand with government corruption, if the government enrich itself on behalf of the people the people will grab whatever they can get ...
Capitalism have become a sort of religion in the US is my impression and it seems that there is no restrictions as what means you use to get money, doesn't matter if you hurt people in the process ... not saying it is like that but that's the impression ...
The US citizens is not a unified team anymore ...
The solution? ... I'm not sure actually ... the democrats are the closest you have to implement a more social responsible direction in politics but with vengeful republicans on the other side you really never get anything valuable done for the people of the US ...
A new political system that is more transparent, a set salary for politicians that cannot whatsoever take "bribes" ... your leaders must front the country as good examples not as power/money hungry villains ...
Of course govt spending does.Dilbert_X wrote:
Why don't you try getting taller?lowing wrote:
If you "take care of the weakest", tell me, what is the incentive for the weak to get stronger?Which doesn't have much to do with it.
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We moved up the index between 09 and 10. Must be doing something right. The sky isn't falling.
We moved up the index between 09 and 10. Must be doing something right. The sky isn't falling.
its an Obamanation
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No matter who is worse the people have a hard time trusting any of them and that's a huge problem ... for the people, and only the people can change that around.lowing wrote:
nothing I can disagree with here. One problem I have with democrats however is, they are just as rich as the republicans, and they did not get that way through generosity, teamwork or a sense of "fairness" and "neighborliness". They are for taking from everyone else, except them, while republicans lean toward, I got mine go get yours.Varegg wrote:
I get your point and partially understand why you feel that way ...lowing wrote:
So what is the solution for a country like the USA where those in question consider themselves "entitled", over looking for a means to help themselves. Ya see, this is why my attitude is what it is. When I was in Germany I was left with an impression of pride and civic responsibility. In our country we are infested with the opposite. The more they are given, the more they feel they are entitled. Then when you try to reel in that entitlement you are an evil monster.
Maybe because there is a tradition of not being taken care of in the US, this goes hand in hand with government corruption, if the government enrich itself on behalf of the people the people will grab whatever they can get ...
Capitalism have become a sort of religion in the US is my impression and it seems that there is no restrictions as what means you use to get money, doesn't matter if you hurt people in the process ... not saying it is like that but that's the impression ...
The US citizens is not a unified team anymore ...
The solution? ... I'm not sure actually ... the democrats are the closest you have to implement a more social responsible direction in politics but with vengeful republicans on the other side you really never get anything valuable done for the people of the US ...
A new political system that is more transparent, a set salary for politicians that cannot whatsoever take "bribes" ... your leaders must front the country as good examples not as power/money hungry villains ...
A new political direction coming from a new voice that isn't corrupted could gather massive amounts of votes ... that is if enough people wants real change.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
utopia seems like a cool place
and it looks like Utah
And we're open 24/7 so why not visit us?11 Bravo wrote:
utopia seems like a cool place
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Yeah they tried that "change" thing before, even gave him a nobel prize for "hope" and what did it get us, from the pan into the fire.Varegg wrote:
No matter who is worse the people have a hard time trusting any of them and that's a huge problem ... for the people, and only the people can change that around.lowing wrote:
nothing I can disagree with here. One problem I have with democrats however is, they are just as rich as the republicans, and they did not get that way through generosity, teamwork or a sense of "fairness" and "neighborliness". They are for taking from everyone else, except them, while republicans lean toward, I got mine go get yours.Varegg wrote:
I get your point and partially understand why you feel that way ...
Maybe because there is a tradition of not being taken care of in the US, this goes hand in hand with government corruption, if the government enrich itself on behalf of the people the people will grab whatever they can get ...
Capitalism have become a sort of religion in the US is my impression and it seems that there is no restrictions as what means you use to get money, doesn't matter if you hurt people in the process ... not saying it is like that but that's the impression ...
The US citizens is not a unified team anymore ...
The solution? ... I'm not sure actually ... the democrats are the closest you have to implement a more social responsible direction in politics but with vengeful republicans on the other side you really never get anything valuable done for the people of the US ...
A new political system that is more transparent, a set salary for politicians that cannot whatsoever take "bribes" ... your leaders must front the country as good examples not as power/money hungry villains ...
A new political direction coming from a new voice that isn't corrupted could gather massive amounts of votes ... that is if enough people wants real change.
The people have lost hope. Those that can bring real change ( not the Obama kind of change) will not get the exposure necessary to be noticed let alone elected.
Obama never stood a chance, the block that loose the election always use the next 4 years sabotaging the other side so you actually never gets any real change done because whatever seems to be bipartisan talks ends up with a bad compromise that really doesn't solve anything ...
The US wasn't ready for Obama just yet ... he's got the right ideas but little chance of transforming it into the announced change he spoke of, the republicans made sure of that ...
The US wasn't ready for Obama just yet ... he's got the right ideas but little chance of transforming it into the announced change he spoke of, the republicans made sure of that ...
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ahahahahahahahahahahhaahhaahhahaaVaregg wrote:
The US wasn't ready for Obama just yet ... he's got the right ideas but little chance of transforming it into the announced change he spoke of, ...
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who has the party of No put up as a viable candidate? Michele Bachman? Mitt Romney? puhleese, they look like the channel 7 news team, and don't make as much sense . . .Varegg wrote:
the republicans made sure of that ...
You actually got something to say or?11 Bravo wrote:
ahahahahahahahahahahhaahhaahhahaaVaregg wrote:
The US wasn't ready for Obama just yet ... he's got the right ideas but little chance of transforming it into the announced change he spoke of, ...
boooooooooooooooooooolllocks
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