BF2S Forums A Warming Planet Struggles to Feed Itself

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

The way you're trying to twist the argument is why people turn a deaf ear to environmentalists. By doubling or trebling our energy production costs it won't send us into some new brilliant future, it will set us back to before the industrial revolution when... you know... we relied on the sun, the wind, and the water to provide power for ourselves. Old technology masquerading as new doesn't make it any less old. There's a reason we abandoned those ideas and replaced them. Dressing them up in a bow-tie doesn't hide or negate their flaws.

Its more new technology which will supercede steam-age technology - which is what we're basically still using.
Unless you think nuclear, photovoltaic and fusion predate the steam age?

But hey, if you want to live in the 18-1900s while people like the Germans and Chinese are leaving you in their wake thats your choice.

Varegg wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Yes. Domesticated animals. Huge agricultural problem.

That's right ... cows are not meant to eat corn but rather grass etc ... and grass eating cows are much less likely to transfer E.Coli bacteria over to humans, a significant difference ...

Shocking wrote:

huh?

Is there an E. Coli variant I haven't heard of which lives in corn or is it common practice to soak corn in feces prior to feeding it to the cow?

Last edited by Shocking (2011-06-14 03:39:59)

FEOS wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Shocking wrote:

huh?

Is there an E. Coli variant I haven't heard of which lives in corn or is it common practice to soak corn in feces prior to feeding it to the cow?

Huh ... the E.Coli is not in the corn ... when the cow eats grass (which it's digestive system is used too) it reduces the risk of E.Coli in the meat by about 80%.

Corn is only used to beef up the animal faster ...

Have you read or seen Food Inc.? ... it's a good start to learn more about an issue like this ... and many other issues about food ...

So if the e.coli is not in the corn...and it's not in the grass...it must already be in the cow (which is the case--the bacteria lives in all animals' intestinal tracts). So what the animal eats is irrelevant in the transmission. It's the handling of the meat and exposure to feces during the processing phase that increases or decreases the risk of e.coli transmission.

It's when the animal eats it, not that it eats it at all. So they could be fed a mixture of corn and hay/grass (which is the norm here, btw), with it being predominantly the latter just prior to slaughter and it would reduce the acidity of the digestive tract, thus making the environment less friendly to e.coli development. But in the end (no pun intended), the transmission of those bacteria to humans still occurs during the meat processing phase.

Varegg wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Huh ... the E.Coli is not in the corn ... when the cow eats grass (which it's digestive system is used too) it reduces the risk of E.Coli in the meat by about 80%.

Corn is only used to beef up the animal faster ...

Have you read or seen Food Inc.? ... it's a good start to learn more about an issue like this ... and many other issues about food ...

So if the e.coli is not in the corn...and it's not in the grass...it must already be in the cow (which is the case--the bacteria lives in all animals' intestinal tracts). So what the animal eats is irrelevant in the transmission. It's the handling of the meat and exposure to feces during the processing phase that increases or decreases the risk of e.coli transmission.

It's when the animal eats it, not that it eats it at all. So they could be fed a mixture of corn and hay/grass (which is the norm here, btw), with it being predominantly the latter just prior to slaughter and it would reduce the acidity of the digestive tract, thus making the environment less friendly to e.coli development. But in the end (no pun intended), the transmission of those bacteria to humans still occurs during the meat processing phase.

It occours in the meat processing phase yes ... but grass contains (can't remember the name) something that reduces the amount of bacteria transmitted ...

So what the animal eats is highly relevant ...

Varegg wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Do you eat uncooked meat?

Not uncocked but I don't like my steak well done either ... E.Coli infested meat is most often ground beef, hamburger meat and tacos etc etc ...

FEOS wrote:

As stated, when the animal eats it is more relevant than anything else. And again, if you don't smear shit all over the meat during the processing phase, it's irrelevant anyway.

But shit gets into the process more often than it should hence why it is a problem ...