Shahter
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FEOS wrote:

But so long as there is the current veto structure, any shift in the balance of power won't be reflected...
the real power couldn't care less if there is "veto structure" anywhere. you of all people should know that - you were among those who, under the false pretenses, went to the other side of the globe to bomb some poor bastards living in shit.

when the shift in the balance of power actually happens - come back to me, we'll discuss this further.

Last edited by Shahter (2011-06-07 03:51:28)

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Shahter wrote:

stop this shit about democracy and "horrible dictators" already. i think i made it quite clear and on numerous occasions that i don't believe your fairytale about people like lowing, cybargs and shitfie making any difference - not one bit of it. in the modern world democracy is a means to get kettle to the pond, nothing more.
I'm not saying Democracy is the end-all, I'm saying that it's weird to me that people expect a worldwide democracy while half the nations involved don't respect the system in their own countries. Doesn't make sense.

Shahter wrote:

if there were other powers to make them comply they would.
I very much doubt world powers would risk clashing with one another because a majority vote in the UN wants X or Y done, actually I'd expect them to avoid conflict with any means necessary.

Shahter wrote:

balance of power is the key. as long as there's none it's pointless discussing un's and all that crap.
That's what I'm saying, firstly there is no balance. Even if there were both parties would have to be dedicated to the UN regardless of their own cause. Which isn't going to happen.
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Shahter
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Shocking wrote:

Shahter wrote:

stop this shit about democracy and "horrible dictators" already. i think i made it quite clear and on numerous occasions that i don't believe your fairytale about people like lowing, cybargs and shitfie making any difference - not one bit of it. in the modern world democracy is a means to get kettle to the pond, nothing more.
I'm not saying Democracy is the end-all, I'm saying that it's weird to me that people expect a worldwide democracy while half the nations involved don't respect the system in their own countries. Doesn't make sense.
what, if they don't respect "freedom and democracy" that automatically means they cannot engage in negotiations to form a consensus on international level? c'mon.

Shahter wrote:

if there were other powers to make them comply they would.
I very much doubt world powers would risk clashing with one another because a majority vote in the UN wants X or Y done, actually I'd expect them to avoid conflict with any means necessary.
there are many ways to get what you want, but there should first be something to bargain with. as it is now, all the cards are in one hand.

Shahter wrote:

balance of power is the key. as long as there's none it's pointless discussing un's and all that crap.
That's what I'm saying, firstly there is no balance. Even if there were both parties would have to be dedicated to the UN regardless of their own cause. Which isn't going to happen.
there was a time when this shit was semi-functional and, even now, it's the best we have. removing veto would render un dysfunctional completely.
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Shahter wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But so long as there is the current veto structure, any shift in the balance of power won't be reflected...
the real power couldn't care less if there is "veto structure" anywhere. you of all people should know that - you were among those who, under the false pretenses, went to the other side of the globe to bomb some poor bastards living in shit.

when the shift in the balance of power actually happens - come back to me, we'll discuss this further.
I personally did that stuff?

So you can't continue the debate further so you resort to this? Really?

Whatever.

Regardless, this is off topic, and probably worth a thread of its own, if one hasn't already been attempted before in the past.
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Shahter
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oh, i must've touched on a sore place. i apologize.

the point still stands.

Shahter wrote:

when the shift in the balance of power actually happens - come back to me, we'll discuss this further.
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Shahter wrote:

oh, i must've touched on a sore place. i apologize.

the point still stands.

Shahter wrote:

when the shift in the balance of power actually happens - come back to me, we'll discuss this further.
No sore place. You said nothing. That's the problem.

The shift is already occurring, and Russia is part of it. Research BRICS. Research efforts to increase the number of permanent seats on the UNSC, and who the candidates are and why. Come back to me, and we'll discuss further.

In a separate thread.
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Maybe the jews should have 'just chilled' from 1937-1945.
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Now the Israelis are like the Nazis. Beautiful.
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FEOS wrote:

Now the Israelis are like the Nazis. Beautiful.
I see no difference. If anything the Israelis have adapated Nazi tactics and taken them to another level.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Now the Israelis are like the Nazis. Beautiful.
I see no difference. If anything the Israelis have adapated Nazi tactics and taken them to another level.
Of course you see no difference. Because the Israelis have been rounding up Palestinians by the millions, working them in slave labor camps and then murdering them by the trainload and burning them to ash when they're done.

Yeah. Just like the Nazis.

Your perspective on this thing is so fucking skewed by hate, it's like a clown on fire: sad, yet funny.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Now the Israelis are like the Nazis. Beautiful.
I see no difference. If anything the Israelis have adapated Nazi tactics and taken them to another level.
What a terrible post.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Now the Israelis are like the Nazis. Beautiful.
I see no difference. If anything the Israelis have adapated Nazi tactics and taken them to another level.
What other level would that be?
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Concentration camps + necrophilia.
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Eating babies, I bet.
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Ethnic cleansing, ghettoisation and racial supremacy as a tool of govt for three.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Ethnic cleansing, ghettoisation and racial supremacy as a tool of govt for three.
LOL. For a start there is no evidence it is even happening.

Secondly this isnt taking Nazi ideals to another level is it, you are suggesting they are attempting to do some of the things the Nazis did, on a much smaller scale and much less successfully and this some how equates to taking it to a whole new level.

Evidence of Israeli death camps?
Evidence of Israeli concentration camps?
Evidence of Mandatory name changes for non Jews?
Evidence of Non jews being refused jobs?
Evidence of Non jews being rounded up inside their religious buildings and grenades thrown in?
Evidence of Non jews digging their own mass graves before being executed in them?
Evidence of discussions of "final solution" to the non jewish problem?

Infact do you have any evidence of anything at all Dilbert or are you just spreading sensationalist BS as per usual?
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That's true...we've been down the whole "ethnic cleansing" road before and proven pretty conclusively that it's not happening.

Nazis didn't allow Jews to serve in government at all, but there are Arabs and other non-Jews in the knesset (kind of shoots the "racial supremacy as a tool of govt" nonsense right in the ass).

I guess his only pseudo-argument is ghettoization, tbh. The Israelis are really stepping on themselves with the whole settlement policy. Can't get away from that. It certainly doesn't approach the level of Nazi ghetto pogroms, but it's not right, by any measure.
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Nazi Germany and Modern Israel have exactly the same ideology and objectives. The Israelis are just playing a longer game and being smarter about it.

Nazis didn't allow Jews to serve in government at all, but there are Arabs and other non-Jews in the knesset (kind of shoots the "racial supremacy as a tool of govt" nonsense right in the ass).
There's a token presence, but given the plan is to expel all Palestinians I guess there'll be no-one to represent.

As for Cheeky_Ninja, you should read some history on Germany's actions against the jews and Israel's actions against the Palestinians, there is very little difference.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-07-08 06:30:37)

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Cheeky_Ninja06
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Nazi Germany and Modern Israel have exactly the same ideology and objectives. The Israelis are just playing a longer game and being smarter about it.

Nazis didn't allow Jews to serve in government at all, but there are Arabs and other non-Jews in the knesset (kind of shoots the "racial supremacy as a tool of govt" nonsense right in the ass).
There's a token presence, but given the plan is to expel all Palestinians I guess there'll be no-one to represent.

As for Cheeky_Ninja, you should read some history on Germany's actions against the jews and Israel's actions against the Palestinians, there is very little difference.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Evidence of Israeli death camps?
Evidence of Israeli concentration camps?
Evidence of Mandatory name changes for non Jews?
Evidence of Non jews being refused jobs?
Evidence of Non jews being rounded up inside their religious buildings and grenades thrown in?
Evidence of Non jews digging their own mass graves before being executed in them?
Evidence of discussions of "final solution" to the non jewish problem?

Infact do you have any evidence of anything at all Dilbert or are you just spreading sensationalist BS as per usual?
??

I am well read in "Nazi" history and am struggling to see the links you claim are so clear yet cannot substantiate.

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2011-07-08 06:39:20)

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Most of your points relate to the final solution, so really they are one point.

The Nazis objective was to remove the jews from Germany and Europe so they could create a mono-racial paradise for their 'superior' race, the problem was no-one else wanted them and hence they enacted the 'final solution'.

The Israelis want the Palestinians removed from Palestine so they can create a mono-racial paradise for their 'superior' race, the difference is other countries were prepared to take them in as they fled Israeli terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

The difference is the Israelies have not needed to conduct a complete pogrom, otherwise there are very few differences - the ghettoisation of Gaza and the West Bank, being strikingly similar.
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Yeah the small matter of concentration camps and gas chambers being one of the more minor differences.

Dilbert this line of posting is utterly, utterly disgraceful.
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Cheeky_Ninja06
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Most of your points relate to the final solution, so really they are one point.
No they dont. The death camps and final solution points are the only ones that relate to the final solution. All other the other actions are separate. Perhaps you should read some history for a change.

The Nazis objective was to remove the jews from Germany and Europe so they could create a mono-racial paradise for their 'superior' race, the problem was no-one else wanted them and hence they enacted the 'final solution'.
They wanted rid of the Jews from the whole world. This presented them with the problem of where to put them. Hence the Madagascar option. Finally it was decided the most efficient and simplistic way was the organized gassing.

The Israelis want the Palestinians removed from Palestine so they can create a mono-racial paradise for their 'superior' race, the difference is other countries were prepared to take them in as they fled Israeli terrorism and ethnic cleansing.
For a start you have already created a contrast by saying the Israelis want the Palestinians removed rather than they are doing it themselves. There is no such country as Palestine so the Israelis are going to struggle to remove anybody from there. I think you will note the main difference is that the Palestinians are persistently launching suicide bombs and rocket attacks against Israel which "the jews" most certainly did not do to the Nazis.

I know it is going to shock you to the core, but no side is innocent in this conflict and if anything the Palestinians (who started the whole damn war mess in the first place) have more responsibility on their door than anybody else.

The difference is the Israelies have not needed to conduct a complete pogrom, otherwise there are very few differences - the ghettoisation of Gaza and the West Bank, being strikingly similar.
Presumably the Israelies do not need to conduct a pogrom because that is Russian? However we will skip that small detail and pretend that the Israelis dont need to "exterminate" the non jews because...I dont know actually why do they not need to do it again?

The ghettoisation of Gaza and the West Bank is strikingly similar? Ah yes I see how the Jews have invaded Eastern Europe and then put all of the locals onto trains, and constructing large Ghettos in major cities, putting the now captured Palestinians (?) into the ghettos and denying them all contact with the outside world or food. Thats why all the Palestinians you see all have the same first name and thats also why they all have to wear a badge with a picture of the crescent on.

Other similarities include:

The fact that the vast majority of new jewish settlements are built by Palestinians (who are fairly paid )
The fact that the proportion of Jews to non jews is decreasing in Israel.
That Anne Frank was a suicide bomber.
Einsatzgruppen.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Infact do you have any evidence of anything at all Dilbert or are you just spreading sensationalist BS as per usual?
Ill say it again despite fully expecting you to ignore it and post more un supported tripe.
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