Let's make a non-issue into a racist argument?
John McCain was born in Panama.Spearhead wrote:
This is what every person involved SHOULD be doing... McCain handled it with class.
http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/10/ … acist.html
The tea party movement is rife with racists. It’s also, despite assertions to the contrary, a structured movement with direct ties to white nationalist groups that’s growing and here to stay. These are the findings of a 94 page report released last week by The Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, which was backed by the NAACP. The only part that’s shocking is that the report is necessary to establish such plain truths.
"But Obama, in his most candid moments, acknowledged that race was still a problem. In May 2010, he told guests at a private White House dinner that race was probably a key component in the rising opposition to his presidency from conservatives, especially right-wing activists in the anti-incumbent "Tea Party" movement that was then surging across the country. "
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/02/obama … -protests/
Well, since none of you have heard that the tea party is considered racist.
The tea party movement is rife with racists. It’s also, despite assertions to the contrary, a structured movement with direct ties to white nationalist groups that’s growing and here to stay. These are the findings of a 94 page report released last week by The Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, which was backed by the NAACP. The only part that’s shocking is that the report is necessary to establish such plain truths.
"But Obama, in his most candid moments, acknowledged that race was still a problem. In May 2010, he told guests at a private White House dinner that race was probably a key component in the rising opposition to his presidency from conservatives, especially right-wing activists in the anti-incumbent "Tea Party" movement that was then surging across the country. "
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/02/obama … -protests/
Well, since none of you have heard that the tea party is considered racist.
Hmmm....how many black president candidates have their been again?
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Hmmm....how many black president candidates have their been again?
So only two?
Wow, the Tea Party is racist.
Wow, the Tea Party is racist.
and what does that have to do with being labeled a racist because you oppose the president?Pug wrote:
Hmmm....how many black president candidates have their been again?
The vast majority of people who oppose Obama do so on non-racial grounds. However there are those that do. They often make their voices heard from within particularly active groups like the Tea Party movement. They are often the type of person who is more likely to shout out their misconceptions than a more moderate person who opposes Obama on rational policy grounds. This all adds up to make the problem look like it is more prominant than it is.
What's worse though, inflating the issue to be bigger than it is or denying it even exists?
Should the racism call be used as overabundantly as it is? I don't think so. But this is politics and the race card is the easiest excuse in the same way Bush Bashing was for the last administration.
But don't tell me that there are no grounds for it at all. Not when you have people waving placards like this, this, this, this, this, this and this.
Is the Tea Party a racist movement? No. Does it have racist members? Hell yes it does. Instead of complaining every time someone points it out they should try making a real stand against it. They've shown that they wont tolerate high profile people like Mark Williams who they kicked out in 2010 for being a racist prick but they don't extend this same hard line to people like TeaParty.org operator Dale Robertson, (the guy with the "Niggar" sign.) That's what I mean when I say you should deal with those who live up to this racist label instead of blocking your ears every time someone brings them up.
What's worse though, inflating the issue to be bigger than it is or denying it even exists?
Should the racism call be used as overabundantly as it is? I don't think so. But this is politics and the race card is the easiest excuse in the same way Bush Bashing was for the last administration.
But don't tell me that there are no grounds for it at all. Not when you have people waving placards like this, this, this, this, this, this and this.
Is the Tea Party a racist movement? No. Does it have racist members? Hell yes it does. Instead of complaining every time someone points it out they should try making a real stand against it. They've shown that they wont tolerate high profile people like Mark Williams who they kicked out in 2010 for being a racist prick but they don't extend this same hard line to people like TeaParty.org operator Dale Robertson, (the guy with the "Niggar" sign.) That's what I mean when I say you should deal with those who live up to this racist label instead of blocking your ears every time someone brings them up.
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haha wtf?
Well fuck Ty, is the NAACP a racist movement, no, ( well wait.... yes it is, its very name depicts it), does it have racist members, yes.....what is your point, because there isn't some big campaign trying to discredit the NAACP as being racist. The tea party movement is political it is not racial.Ty wrote:
The vast majority of people who oppose Obama do so on non-racial grounds. However there are those that do. They often make their voices heard from within particularly active groups like the Tea Party movement. They are often the type of person who is more likely to shout out their misconceptions than a more moderate person who opposes Obama on rational policy grounds. This all adds up to make the problem look like it is more prominant than it is.
What's worse though, inflating the issue to be bigger than it is or denying it even exists?
Should the racism call be used as overabundantly as it is? I don't think so. But this is politics and the race card is the easiest excuse in the same way Bush Bashing was for the last administration.
But don't tell me that there are no grounds for it at all. Not when you have people waving placards like this, this, this, this, this, this and this.
Is the Tea Party a racist movement? No. Does it have racist members? Hell yes it does. Instead of complaining every time someone points it out they should try making a real stand against it. They've shown that they wont tolerate high profile people like Mark Williams who they kicked out in 2010 for being a racist prick but they don't extend this same hard line to people like TeaParty.org operator Dale Robertson, (the guy with the "Niggar" sign.) That's what I mean when I say you should deal with those who live up to this racist label instead of blocking your ears every time someone brings them up.
oh, i am confused. i thought we were talking about how political parties are racist, since the tea party popped up.lowing wrote:
and what does that have to do with being labeled a racist because you oppose the president?Pug wrote:
Hmmm....how many black president candidates have their been again?
so again....one guy decides this whole thing is racism and therefore it is? how exactly did this happen?
Ahhh, so you have never heard the accusations before until I posted it with this one guy. Got it.Pug wrote:
oh, i am confused. i thought we were talking about how political parties are racist, since the tea party popped up.lowing wrote:
and what does that have to do with being labeled a racist because you oppose the president?Pug wrote:
Hmmm....how many black president candidates have their been again?
so again....one guy decides this whole thing is racism and therefore it is? how exactly did this happen?
That is my point. If the Tea Party wants to stop being considered a racial/racist movement then they need to stop just complaining or denying every time the label is brought out. Instead they need to strive to be seen as active against the problem which as I demonstrated, does exist.lowing wrote:
Well fuck Ty, is the NAACP a racist movement, no, ( well wait.... yes it is, its very name depicts it), does it have racist members, yes.....what is your point, because there isn't some big campaign trying to discredit the NAACP as being racist. The tea party movement is political it is not racial.
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actually yeslowing wrote:
Ahhh, so you have never heard the accusations before until I posted it with this one guy. Got it.Pug wrote:
oh, i am confused. i thought we were talking about how political parties are racist, since the tea party popped up.lowing wrote:
and what does that have to do with being labeled a racist because you oppose the president?
so again....one guy decides this whole thing is racism and therefore it is? how exactly did this happen?
well then stop acting like it all hinges on this "one guy", when you know it doesn't.Pug wrote:
actually yeslowing wrote:
Ahhh, so you have never heard the accusations before until I posted it with this one guy. Got it.Pug wrote:
oh, i am confused. i thought we were talking about how political parties are racist, since the tea party popped up.
so again....one guy decides this whole thing is racism and therefore it is? how exactly did this happen?
There is no one screaming about a racist NAACP although its very name ( as well as its actions) reeks of racism, yet they are not in a position to have to defend itself against such attacks.Ty wrote:
That is my point. If the Tea Party wants to stop being considered a racial/racist movement then they need to stop just complaining or denying every time the label is brought out. Instead they need to strive to be seen as active against the problem which as I demonstrated, does exist.lowing wrote:
Well fuck Ty, is the NAACP a racist movement, no, ( well wait.... yes it is, its very name depicts it), does it have racist members, yes.....what is your point, because there isn't some big campaign trying to discredit the NAACP as being racist. The tea party movement is political it is not racial.
This is beside the point. The NAACP is a very different topic that I don't want to get into - things would quickly get complicated.lowing wrote:
There is no one screaming about a racist NAACP although its very name ( as well as its actions) reeks of racism, yet they are not in a position to have to defend itself against such attacks.Ty wrote:
That is my point. If the Tea Party wants to stop being considered a racial/racist movement then they need to stop just complaining or denying every time the label is brought out. Instead they need to strive to be seen as active against the problem which as I demonstrated, does exist.lowing wrote:
Well fuck Ty, is the NAACP a racist movement, no, ( well wait.... yes it is, its very name depicts it), does it have racist members, yes.....what is your point, because there isn't some big campaign trying to discredit the NAACP as being racist. The tea party movement is political it is not racial.
Like it or not the Tea Party has an image problem. Also like it or not, there is a reason for this. All I'm doing is pointing out the solution and yes, it requires a bit of introspection and a realisation that yeah, there is a problem and it should be dealt with. You can play the "unfair" card all you want but it doesn't change the facts.
The more the Tea Party denies or ignores this problem the more they will be seen as condoning it. I'll leave it at that.
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lowing, honestly, how dumb are you? Do you even know what the NAACP is or what it has done? You know it was founded by whites as well as blacks, right?lowing wrote:
There is no one screaming about a racist NAACP although its very name ( as well as its actions) reeks of racism, yet they are not in a position to have to defend itself against such attacks.
No, it's actually TWO guys making this a racist issue.lowing wrote:
well then stop acting like it all hinges on this "one guy", when you know it doesn't.Pug wrote:
actually yeslowing wrote:
Ahhh, so you have never heard the accusations before until I posted it with this one guy. Got it.
but what you said made no sense btw. i haven't heard that race is an issue...until now
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The image problem is one that is invented by those that oppose the tea party. lets face it, "you're a racist", is a pretty common attack by those against small govt., cuts in bullshit social programs, a reduction in govt. hand holding, etc... It is done so in lieu of trying to stand toe to toe with the arguments presented by conservatives.Ty wrote:
This is beside the point. The NAACP is a very different topic that I don't want to get into - things would quickly get complicated.lowing wrote:
There is no one screaming about a racist NAACP although its very name ( as well as its actions) reeks of racism, yet they are not in a position to have to defend itself against such attacks.Ty wrote:
That is my point. If the Tea Party wants to stop being considered a racial/racist movement then they need to stop just complaining or denying every time the label is brought out. Instead they need to strive to be seen as active against the problem which as I demonstrated, does exist.
Like it or not the Tea Party has an image problem. Also like it or not, there is a reason for this. All I'm doing is pointing out the solution and yes, it requires a bit of introspection and a realisation that yeah, there is a problem and it should be dealt with. You can play the "unfair" card all you want but it doesn't change the facts.
The more the Tea Party denies or ignores this problem the more they will be seen as condoning it. I'll leave it at that.
The tea party has a political philosophy, and ANYONE that shares that philosophy can join regardless of race. Now if the Tea Party were an organization that changes its name to ohhhhh I dunno......"The National Association for the Advancement of White People" I would agree, you would have an argument for it being a racist organization.
Don't even try it Spearhead... It is an organization dedicated to the advancement of "colored people", not poor people. Its very name is racist, and unlike how most of you throw the word racist around, it really is racist. They focus on injustices done to black people, not ALL people.Spearhead wrote:
lowing, honestly, how dumb are you? Do you even know what the NAACP is or what it has done? You know it was founded by whites as well as blacks, right?lowing wrote:
There is no one screaming about a racist NAACP although its very name ( as well as its actions) reeks of racism, yet they are not in a position to have to defend itself against such attacks.
Hey but I am listening, go ahead list the good the NAACP has done.
In its early years, the NAACP concentrated on using the courts to overturn the Jim Crow statutes that legalized racial segregation. In 1913, the NAACP organized opposition to President Woodrow Wilson's introduction of racial segregation into federal government policy, offices, and hiring.
By 1914, the group had 6,000 members and 50 branches. It was influential in winning the right of African Americans to serve as officers in World War I. Six hundred African-American officers were commissioned and 700,000 men registered for the draft. The following year, the NAACP organized a nationwide protest, with marches in numerous cities, against D.W. Griffith's silent movie Birth of a Nation, a film that glamorized the Ku Klux Klan. As a result, several cities refused to allow the film to open.
The NAACP devoted much of its energy during the interwar years to fighting the lynching of blacks throughout the United States by working for legislation, lobbying and educating the public. The organization sent its field secretary Walter F. White to Phillips County, Arkansas, in October 1919, to investigate the Elaine Race Riot. More than 200 black tenant farmers were killed by roving white vigilantes and federal troops after a deputy sheriff's attack on a union meeting of sharecroppers left one white man dead. White published his report on the riot in the Chicago Daily News. The NAACP organized the appeals for twelve black men sentenced to death a month later based on the fact that testimony used in their convictions was obtained by beatings and electric shocks. It gained a groundbreaking Supreme Court decision in Moore v. Dempsey 261 U.S. 86 (1923) that significantly expanded the Federal courts' oversight of the states' criminal justice systems in the years to come. White investigated eight race riots and 41 lynchings for the NAACP and directed its study Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States
The NAACP also spent more than a decade seeking federal legislation against lynching, but Southern white Democrats voted as a block against it or used the filibuster in the Senate to block passage. Because of disfranchisement, there were no black representatives from the South in Congress. The NAACP regularly displayed a black flag stating "A Man Was Lynched Yesterday" from the window of its offices in New York to mark each lynching.
The campaign for desegregation culminated in a unanimous 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education that held state-sponsored segregation of elementary schools was unconstitutional. Bolstered by that victory, the NAACP pushed for full desegregation throughout the South. Starting on December 5, 1955, NAACP activists, including E.D. Nixon, its local president, and Rosa Parks, who had served as the chapter's Secretary, helped organize a bus boycott in Montgomery, Alabama. This was designed to protest segregation on the city's buses, two-thirds of whose riders were black. The boycott lasted 381 days.
By 1914, the group had 6,000 members and 50 branches. It was influential in winning the right of African Americans to serve as officers in World War I. Six hundred African-American officers were commissioned and 700,000 men registered for the draft. The following year, the NAACP organized a nationwide protest, with marches in numerous cities, against D.W. Griffith's silent movie Birth of a Nation, a film that glamorized the Ku Klux Klan. As a result, several cities refused to allow the film to open.
The NAACP devoted much of its energy during the interwar years to fighting the lynching of blacks throughout the United States by working for legislation, lobbying and educating the public. The organization sent its field secretary Walter F. White to Phillips County, Arkansas, in October 1919, to investigate the Elaine Race Riot. More than 200 black tenant farmers were killed by roving white vigilantes and federal troops after a deputy sheriff's attack on a union meeting of sharecroppers left one white man dead. White published his report on the riot in the Chicago Daily News. The NAACP organized the appeals for twelve black men sentenced to death a month later based on the fact that testimony used in their convictions was obtained by beatings and electric shocks. It gained a groundbreaking Supreme Court decision in Moore v. Dempsey 261 U.S. 86 (1923) that significantly expanded the Federal courts' oversight of the states' criminal justice systems in the years to come. White investigated eight race riots and 41 lynchings for the NAACP and directed its study Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States
The NAACP also spent more than a decade seeking federal legislation against lynching, but Southern white Democrats voted as a block against it or used the filibuster in the Senate to block passage. Because of disfranchisement, there were no black representatives from the South in Congress. The NAACP regularly displayed a black flag stating "A Man Was Lynched Yesterday" from the window of its offices in New York to mark each lynching.
The campaign for desegregation culminated in a unanimous 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education that held state-sponsored segregation of elementary schools was unconstitutional. Bolstered by that victory, the NAACP pushed for full desegregation throughout the South. Starting on December 5, 1955, NAACP activists, including E.D. Nixon, its local president, and Rosa Parks, who had served as the chapter's Secretary, helped organize a bus boycott in Montgomery, Alabama. This was designed to protest segregation on the city's buses, two-thirds of whose riders were black. The boycott lasted 381 days.
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But that's what I'm saying. We're actually on the same page, we both realise that the Tea Party is being unfairly designated a racist organisation here we're just looking at it differently. You're saying that it shouldn't be happening while I'm just saying it is happening so why and how can it best be dealt with. Where we differ is that while I'm saying that the accusations are based on actual ocurrences of racism, you seem to be denying that there's even a problem - or that the problem lies with the accusers not with the accused.lowing wrote:
The image problem is one that is invented by those that oppose the tea party. lets face it, "you're a racist", is a pretty common attack by those against small govt., cuts in bullshit social programs, a reduction in govt. hand holding, etc... It is done so in lieu of trying to stand toe to toe with the arguments presented by conservatives.Ty wrote:
This is beside the point. The NAACP is a very different topic that I don't want to get into - things would quickly get complicated.lowing wrote:
There is no one screaming about a racist NAACP although its very name ( as well as its actions) reeks of racism, yet they are not in a position to have to defend itself against such attacks.
Like it or not the Tea Party has an image problem. Also like it or not, there is a reason for this. All I'm doing is pointing out the solution and yes, it requires a bit of introspection and a realisation that yeah, there is a problem and it should be dealt with. You can play the "unfair" card all you want but it doesn't change the facts.
The more the Tea Party denies or ignores this problem the more they will be seen as condoning it. I'll leave it at that.
The tea party has a political philosophy, and ANYONE that shares that philosophy can join regardless of race. Now if the Tea Party were an organization that changes its name to ohhhhh I dunno......"The National Association for the Advancement of White People" I would agree, you would have an argument for it being a racist organization.
You can play the blame game endlessly, always saying it's the other side's fault. What is more difficult but ultimately far more productive is being introspective, identifying the truths in what the other side is saying and dealing with them.
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