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11 Bravo
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Jay wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

jsnipy wrote:


I think we would see less smugglers/pot related criminals. I imagine the USA is biggest customer of smuggled pot.
so...then how can you say there are smugglers where it is legal being a problem?
The Netherlands is surrounded by countries where possessing marijuana is illegal. Is the United States? No? Ok then. You're making a big deal about nothing.
is it legal in canada?  nope.
Jay
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11 Bravo wrote:

Jay wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


so...then how can you say there are smugglers where it is legal being a problem?
The Netherlands is surrounded by countries where possessing marijuana is illegal. Is the United States? No? Ok then. You're making a big deal about nothing.
is it legal in canada?  nope.
Mostly. It's certainly not prosecuted the way it is here. If we legalized it I guarantee they would follow suit. Even if we did and they didn't the smuggling would be their problem, not ours.
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11 Bravo
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Jay wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Jay wrote:


The Netherlands is surrounded by countries where possessing marijuana is illegal. Is the United States? No? Ok then. You're making a big deal about nothing.
is it legal in canada?  nope.
Mostly. It's certainly not prosecuted the way it is here. If we legalized it I guarantee they would follow suit. Even if we did and they didn't the smuggling would be their problem, not ours.
but the smugglers would be HERE.  hence the argument people are putting up on why they are cracking down.
Jay
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11 Bravo wrote:

Jay wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


is it legal in canada?  nope.
Mostly. It's certainly not prosecuted the way it is here. If we legalized it I guarantee they would follow suit. Even if we did and they didn't the smuggling would be their problem, not ours.
but the smugglers would be HERE.  hence the argument people are putting up on why they are cracking down.
It's a dumb argument. Oh noes there might be an uptick in people smuggling from our side of the border to theirs. So what? Canada then has the choice to crackdown or legalize it. Guaranteed they choose the latter.
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11 Bravo
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Jay wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Jay wrote:

Mostly. It's certainly not prosecuted the way it is here. If we legalized it I guarantee they would follow suit. Even if we did and they didn't the smuggling would be their problem, not ours.
but the smugglers would be HERE.  hence the argument people are putting up on why they are cracking down.
It's a dumb argument. Oh noes there might be an uptick in people smuggling from our side of the border to theirs. So what? Canada then has the choice to crackdown or legalize it. Guaranteed they choose the latter.
jay...tell that to the people saying that.  i am just playing devils advocate with them.

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2011-05-28 13:36:05)

Winston_Churchill
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its pretty lax in terms of enforcement here... nobody really cares.  i could definitely see it being decriminalized and/or legalized within a decade
Jay
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Shrug. Their arguments are hollow across the board.

"Marijuana is a gateway drug" Umm, no. It's a gateway to having the munchies perhaps, but not to harder drugs.
"Marijuana impairs driving and would lead to more accidents" Umm, it's already considered under DUI so there wouldn't be any upticks there now would there?
"Marijuana use is morally wrong" So if you're morally opposed, don't partake. Simple.
"Legalization would increase the chances of the drug falling into the hands of kids." Right, because having age limits on alcohol and tobacco has really put a damper on their use. Oh, and most people I know that have smoked marijuana did so in their teenage years so fail regardless.
"Because of drug-related arrests, people who have committed or are likely to commit more serious crimes can be taken off the streets." lolololol.
"Physical damage would be done to users that abuse the drug." It's their life is it not?
"More widespread use would increase the dangers of secondhand smoke-damage to bystanders." Please.

Arguments lifted from here: http://www.balancedpolitics.org/marijua … zation.htm

As you can see, the whole situation is retarded.
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If anything, companies like Doritos should be lobbying hard for legalisation.
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11 Bravo wrote:

what does this say about pot?  i mean one of the most liberal places for pot is laying the smack down.  and we here in the US are trying to free its use.  confusing.
Its probably the hordes of drunkin fucked up Tourists who go their and piss on their streets.

Ive been 8 times to Holland over the years as I have friends who live in Amsterdam and Rotterdam and when your not their as a tourist as such and with a local you get to see what a horrible mess the "lets get fucked up and piss on the streets while singing football songs" tourists make of the place and what the locals think of it all.

This isn't about drugs, its about the Dutch reclaiming Amsterdam for Normal tourists. You know the kind who don't spend all their money on drugs and whores and contribute to the rest of the economy.

The dutch drug laws work for the dutch. Keeping hard and soft drugs separated. When I was smoking weed I had to go to a dealer. The same dealer sold E, Coke and now I hear Heroin. Its like a sweetie shop for kids with lots of choices.
What they are doing now is safe guarding the dutch who seam to be able to have a smoke and a few beers and go home without incident. All you have to do is look at what goes on on the streets of the UK at the weekend and then you understand why they don't want that kind or tourist there.

I'm a great believer in personal freedom, as are the dutch hence their laws. If you wanta fuck yourself up, go ahead. But if by fucking yourself up you in anyway effect someone else, then the law comes down on you.

Also as a US citizen would you not rather have the $5-6Billion made by the Mexican drug cartels every year in the US being taxed and spent on roads on shit? Would you not rather see the end of the drug war going on along your border with Mexico? Would you not rather see the tens of thousands used to prosecute a single weed users spent on schools or going after the hard drug importers? You know the drugs which actually kill people.
Because during the 50 year old war on drugs, drug use has multiplied exponentially, so emmmm, its not working. And when things don't work for 50 years its usually time to have a rethink.

Last edited by JahManRed (2011-05-30 04:36:08)

FEOS
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So it all boils down to soccer hoodlums?
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11 Bravo
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i want pot legal so we can tax it and the stupid pot culture here dies out.
Jaekus
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11 Bravo wrote:

i want pot legal so we can tax it and the stupid pot culture here dies out.
Yeah, that's worked for alcohol.
Macbeth
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Jaekus wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i want pot legal so we can tax it and the stupid pot culture here dies out.
Yeah, that's worked for alcohol.
Sarcasm surely?
Jaekus
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Of course, lol
JahManRed
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FEOS wrote:

So it all boils down to soccer hoodlums?
It certainly looks that way. Loads of stag/buck parties out to get as messed up as possible.
11 Bravo
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Jaekus wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i want pot legal so we can tax it and the stupid pot culture here dies out.
Yeah, that's worked for alcohol.
what do you mean?  we tax it?  yes we do.  and it pays for a lot of stuff.

and i dont see any "zomg 420 bro" crap from people who drink.  so...........

what is your point?  do you have one or just trolling?
eleven bravo
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most smokers would be happy to pay a tax
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11 Bravo
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eleven bravo wrote:

most smokers would be happy to pay a tax
i know.  and i want them to.  free loaders the lot of you.
eleven bravo
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some places in la actually do tax it
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eleven bravo
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although i dont think theyre supposed to
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11 Bravo
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gotta pay for my sin so you should have to also
13/f/taiwan
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11 Bravo wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i want pot legal so we can tax it and the stupid pot culture here dies out.
Yeah, that's worked for alcohol.
what do you mean?  we tax it?  yes we do.  and it pays for a lot of stuff.

and i dont see any "zomg 420 bro" crap from people who drink.  so...........

what is your point?  do you have one or just trolling?
He is saying even after the legalization of alcohol there is still a drinking "culture" present.

And I have seen many people say "zomg lets get drunk bro" here in the states. If anything drinking "culture" is on a higher scale than pot.

Last edited by 13/f/taiwan (2011-05-31 09:29:11)

13/f/taiwan
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eleven bravo wrote:

some places in la actually do tax it
yeah, but would you quit going to the dealer if a pot shop opened and sold the same exact thing for double the price?
11 Bravo
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13/f/taiwan wrote:

He is saying even after the legalization of alcohol there is still a drinking "culture" present.

And I have seen many people say "zomg lets get drunk bro" here in the states. If anything drinking "culture" is on a higher scale than pot.
rappers dont typically rap about a bottle of sam adams.  and no you are not correct.  ya for college kids thats true.  but, the only people i see who somehow have to bring attention to it are pot heads.  by a long shot.
eleven bravo
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13/f/taiwan wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

some places in la actually do tax it
yeah, but would you quit going to the dealer if a pot shop opened and sold the same exact thing for double the price?
dispensaries typically have cheaper prices than the dealer and a lot more variety.  and specials to, these guys have sales.   like you could get an half ounce for 100 bucks if you show up between 10 and 4 or something like that
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