But they are not asking for therapy, for help for counseling they are asking for money. and a lot of it. Their motives are to get rich on the back of a victims demise. Lower than low.Kmar wrote:
At the most I could possibly see compensation if they had therapy to pay for. Truthfully that's got to be a fucked up thing to see. But 3 mil? gtfo
Yes lowing I know .
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One usually attach oneself with a group for a reason right?lowing wrote:
Thats what I thought you would say. Ok so, for the record then, when you belong to ANY group, organization, religion, nationality, race, political affiliation, etc. individual thought, action and decisions is out the window and you are all linked to the commonality of that group as a like minded collective. Is that what you are telling me? and this is rational thinking on your part?Varegg wrote:
There is no inconsistency in my logic, neither is there any irrationality ... and I've given it much thought like I do in all cases before I form an opinion ...
I think before I write lowing, maybe you should try the same
When part of a group your views seldom differ much from the majority of the group or else the point of being a member of that very group seize to exist ... and you join a another group ...
This applies more than anything else to such ideologic groups like religion and politics ...
Then there are conflicts of opinion within the group lowing and we can use Islam as an example ... followers of Islam aka the Muslims are just normal people with no urge to kill you or your family while the subgroup we call radical Islam aka radical violent Muslims would very much like to kill you and your family.
But then again one Muslim can be fond of gardening while another collect stamps but that's really not part of the ideology of the group!
That's about the easiest way to explain it ...
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Being someone who has worked in mental health for 2.5 years and during the course of such I can tell you first hand people with schizophrenia are far, far often people that need protecting as they're more vulnerable members of society. In fact, your chances of being murdered by someone without schizophrenia are a lot greater than someone with schizophrenia. It's just people don't understand the illness and the media loves it as a headline to sell papers, so the stigma of it continues to stick.Kmar wrote:
Virtually any message is a danger to a psychopath. They posses a completely different rationale. The real scary thing is that these deranged people often go unnoticed.. or at least aren't identified as a threat.Jaekus wrote:
Ya that's one of the reasons religion is so dangerous when someone who's mentally unhinged is influenced to that degree.11 Bravo wrote:
good lord. nice of god to protect his children, eh?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/201 … nsequences
"A California woman named Lyn Benedetto was one of millions who heard Camping's message, and became concerned that her daughters would suffer terribly in the coming apocalypse. She allegedly forced her daughters, 11 and 14, to lie on a bed and then cut their throats with a box cutter. She then tried to kill herself, though police arrested Benedetto and all three survived."
An undiagnosed Schizophrenic person is particularly dangerous. Remember the guy that decapitated and cannibalized the man on a bus in Canada?McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus about 18 miles (29 km) west of Portage La Prairie, Manitoba traveling the Trans Canada Highway
Li's trial commenced on March 3, 2009, with Li pleading not criminally responsible. This means that he accepted that the offence occurred but he claimed that he was unable to form the necessary mental element or mens rea. Despite Li having no documented history of mental illness before the killing, a testifying psychiatrist diagnosed Li as having schizophrenia. The psychiatrist said that Li performed the attack because God's voice told him McLean was a force of evil and was about to execute him. The presiding judge accepted the diagnosis, and ruled that Li was not criminally responsible for the murder. Li was remanded to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre. Though he had not fully emerged from the psychotic phase, the psychiatrist said that Li was beginning to realize what he had done, though he cannot accept that he cannibalized McLean.
On February 16, 2011, two passengers, Debra Tucker, of Port Colborne, Ontario, and Kayli Shaw, of London, Ontario, filed a lawsuit against Vince Li, Greyhound, the RCMP and the Government of Canada for being exposed to the horrific beheading. They are each seeking $3 million in damages
Not having a go, just trying to burst some of the bubble around the stigma that is mental illness.
I don't mean to derail, but anyway...
http://www.paranoidschizophreniasymptom … nt-crimes/VICTIM, NOT VILLAIN
Psychology Today – May/Jun 2003 – By Monique Cuvelier
Summary: The mentally ill are up to seven times more likely to be murdered than the psychologically sound. Schizophrenics and those with psychotic symptoms are at far greater risk of becoming homicide victims than other citizens.
Schizophrenics and those with psychotic symptoms are at far greater risk of becoming homicide victims than other citizens, according to Danish researchers. Only drug users and alcoholics face greater risk.
The implications of these findings are especially significant in the United States, where, according to the National Institute of Mental Health, more than 22 percent of adults suffer from a mental disorder. Rates of crime and mental illness are much lower in Denmark.
Researchers at the Psychiatric Hospital in Århus, Denmark, examined death records of 72,208 Danes, 18,000 of whom died of unnatural causes. The data was culled from the Danish Psychiatric Case Registry and published in The Lancet.
Similar findings were reported in a recent University of Southern California study. It found that adults suffering from schizophrenia are 14 times more likely to be victims of a violent crime than to be arrested for one.
More than one-third of individuals with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder were victims of crime, and 91 percent of those were violent crimes, including rape and assault. The report tracked 172 Los Angeles-based subjects for three years and was recently published in Psychiatric Services.
Neither set of researchers offered conclusive explanations for the disproportionate victimization of the mentally ill. Living in unsafe neighborhoods may make them easy targets, and symptoms such as paranoia might provoke violence in others or prevent victims from avoiding dangerous situations.
(sorry, I know it's not the original article)
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Of course the chances of being murdered by someone without out schz is more likely. Its a simple matter of odds, and the pool of people without is much greater. The chances of being killed by someone who is sober on the road is much greater than someone under the influence of alcohol is also greater. That isn't to say that a drunk is a safer driver. It just means there are many more sober drivers on the road.
My point, relative to the discussion, is simply that the mental wiring is different for some people. Obviously someone who would slit their kids throat because they think the end of the world is here has some mental deficiencies. If murdering your kids were the norm then the correlation with religion would be relevant. In fact christianity teaches its followers to protect the people they love. The mentally ill operate in their own reality. A case like this isn't an indictment against religion. .. other cases can be made though.
My point, relative to the discussion, is simply that the mental wiring is different for some people. Obviously someone who would slit their kids throat because they think the end of the world is here has some mental deficiencies. If murdering your kids were the norm then the correlation with religion would be relevant. In fact christianity teaches its followers to protect the people they love. The mentally ill operate in their own reality. A case like this isn't an indictment against religion. .. other cases can be made though.
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Ok now you are being inconsistent, you can not have it both ways. You can not insinuate everyone in a group is a collective where individual thought action and decision is non existent. Then say groups like Islam are divided into "subgroups". Regardless, Islam's founder taught, practiced and ordered violence. That is indisputable. Therefore I hate Islam for what it teaches. I judge Muslims, and everyone else based on their actions. If that somehow mystifies you, I can not help that, but I personally am good with it.Varegg wrote:
One usually attach oneself with a group for a reason right?lowing wrote:
Thats what I thought you would say. Ok so, for the record then, when you belong to ANY group, organization, religion, nationality, race, political affiliation, etc. individual thought, action and decisions is out the window and you are all linked to the commonality of that group as a like minded collective. Is that what you are telling me? and this is rational thinking on your part?Varegg wrote:
There is no inconsistency in my logic, neither is there any irrationality ... and I've given it much thought like I do in all cases before I form an opinion ...
I think before I write lowing, maybe you should try the same
When part of a group your views seldom differ much from the majority of the group or else the point of being a member of that very group seize to exist ... and you join a another group ...
This applies more than anything else to such ideologic groups like religion and politics ...
Then there are conflicts of opinion within the group lowing and we can use Islam as an example ... followers of Islam aka the Muslims are just normal people with no urge to kill you or your family while the subgroup we call radical Islam aka radical violent Muslims would very much like to kill you and your family.
But then again one Muslim can be fond of gardening while another collect stamps but that's really not part of the ideology of the group!
That's about the easiest way to explain it ...
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do you know that most people who are atheist believe many ignorant opinions of religion?AussieReaper wrote:
Do you know that most people who are religious believe that they will see the rapture in their lifetime?
yeah? so where exactly is all of this money? who has it? is the pope fucking protitutes left and right as he drives his ferrari out of the vatican?lowing wrote:
You quoted Christ, you did not quote Christianity, which by and large does not follow the teaching of Christ. Christ was a humble man and did not give into material possessions. From these teachings, come the Vatican? Really? I said Christianity is about power and money, I did not say Christ was.burnzz wrote:
lowing, you disappoint on so many levels."And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." ~ Matthew 19:24lowing wrote:
In my mind, to say Christianity isn't about money and power, is like saying Islam has nothing to do with Islamic violence.
you spout conservative talking points like it's your job, yet you don't have the religious zealotry to really make it pay off for you. The whole Islamic hate thing is not even backed up by a Moral Majority fervor?
Islam: Hereis my problem with it. Unlike Christ, Muhammad WAS violent, taught violence, practiced violence and ORDERED violence. It is a violent religion. If a Muslim does not believe in that shit or do it, I have no problem with him, but the teachings of his religion are what they are.
When that jack off was gunna burn the Koran, everyone went nuts over it especially Muslims, When 50 people were killed over a cartoon, no one said shit about the dead 50, no, the fact that anyone would bad mouth Islam, THAT was the problem.
I can't stand Christianity, because it is all a money scam, and they are not getting my money, they take it from people stupid enough to give it to them. I can live with that. I can't stand Islam because they are always trying to blow shit up in the name of Islam, getting blown up is something I can't live with.
uhh, what. all of a sudden you can make judgements on catholics when you obviously don't understand our religion? arent you the same guy who said it was stupid that the priest got to decide whether your sins were forgiven or not? i mean if you believe shit like that you really need to shut your mouth-Sh1fty- wrote:
Don't confuse Christianity (Catholics are a perfect example of pretending to be Christians) with true Bible believers. I can assure you my church is not power hungry, etc. and all the Baptist churches I've visited before aren't either.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatic … llions.htmHaiBai wrote:
do you know that most people who are atheist believe many ignorant opinions of religion?AussieReaper wrote:
Do you know that most people who are religious believe that they will see the rapture in their lifetime?yeah? so where exactly is all of this money? who has it? is the pope fucking protitutes left and right as he drives his ferrari out of the vatican?lowing wrote:
You quoted Christ, you did not quote Christianity, which by and large does not follow the teaching of Christ. Christ was a humble man and did not give into material possessions. From these teachings, come the Vatican? Really? I said Christianity is about power and money, I did not say Christ was.burnzz wrote:
lowing, you disappoint on so many levels.
"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." ~ Matthew 19:24
you spout conservative talking points like it's your job, yet you don't have the religious zealotry to really make it pay off for you. The whole Islamic hate thing is not even backed up by a Moral Majority fervor?
Islam: Hereis my problem with it. Unlike Christ, Muhammad WAS violent, taught violence, practiced violence and ORDERED violence. It is a violent religion. If a Muslim does not believe in that shit or do it, I have no problem with him, but the teachings of his religion are what they are.
When that jack off was gunna burn the Koran, everyone went nuts over it especially Muslims, When 50 people were killed over a cartoon, no one said shit about the dead 50, no, the fact that anyone would bad mouth Islam, THAT was the problem.
I can't stand Christianity, because it is all a money scam, and they are not getting my money, they take it from people stupid enough to give it to them. I can live with that. I can't stand Islam because they are always trying to blow shit up in the name of Islam, getting blown up is something I can't live with.uhh, what. all of a sudden you can make judgements on catholics when you obviously don't understand our religion? arent you the same guy who said it was stupid that the priest got to decide whether your sins were forgiven or not? i mean if you believe shit like that you really need to shut your mouth-Sh1fty- wrote:
Don't confuse Christianity (Catholics are a perfect example of pretending to be Christians) with true Bible believers. I can assure you my church is not power hungry, etc. and all the Baptist churches I've visited before aren't either.
Hey, you asked. After you read up no the Vatican, we can talk about all of those televangelists and all of the Christian children fund charities
i dont care if one or two guys of the church are corrupt. every group is corrupt in someway. its not like this was a huge plan by some evil mastermind to profit off of catholicslowing wrote:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatic … llions.htmHaiBai wrote:
do you know that most people who are atheist believe many ignorant opinions of religion?AussieReaper wrote:
Do you know that most people who are religious believe that they will see the rapture in their lifetime?yeah? so where exactly is all of this money? who has it? is the pope fucking protitutes left and right as he drives his ferrari out of the vatican?lowing wrote:
You quoted Christ, you did not quote Christianity, which by and large does not follow the teaching of Christ. Christ was a humble man and did not give into material possessions. From these teachings, come the Vatican? Really? I said Christianity is about power and money, I did not say Christ was.
Islam: Hereis my problem with it. Unlike Christ, Muhammad WAS violent, taught violence, practiced violence and ORDERED violence. It is a violent religion. If a Muslim does not believe in that shit or do it, I have no problem with him, but the teachings of his religion are what they are.
When that jack off was gunna burn the Koran, everyone went nuts over it especially Muslims, When 50 people were killed over a cartoon, no one said shit about the dead 50, no, the fact that anyone would bad mouth Islam, THAT was the problem.
I can't stand Christianity, because it is all a money scam, and they are not getting my money, they take it from people stupid enough to give it to them. I can live with that. I can't stand Islam because they are always trying to blow shit up in the name of Islam, getting blown up is something I can't live with.uhh, what. all of a sudden you can make judgements on catholics when you obviously don't understand our religion? arent you the same guy who said it was stupid that the priest got to decide whether your sins were forgiven or not? i mean if you believe shit like that you really need to shut your mouth-Sh1fty- wrote:
Don't confuse Christianity (Catholics are a perfect example of pretending to be Christians) with true Bible believers. I can assure you my church is not power hungry, etc. and all the Baptist churches I've visited before aren't either.
Hey, you asked. After you read up no the Vatican, we can talk about all of those televangelists and all of the Christian children fund charities
what do you know about st. ambrose, st. augustine and st. jerome
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Oh come off it haibai, you can't deny its not moneyHaiBai wrote:
i dont care if one or two guys of the church are corrupt. every group is corrupt in someway. its not like this was a huge plan by some evil mastermind to profit off of catholicslowing wrote:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatic … llions.htmHaiBai wrote:
do you know that most people who are atheist believe many ignorant opinions of religion?AussieReaper wrote:
Do you know that most people who are religious believe that they will see the rapture in their lifetime?yeah? so where exactly is all of this money? who has it? is the pope fucking protitutes left and right as he drives his ferrari out of the vatican?lowing wrote:
You quoted Christ, you did not quote Christianity, which by and large does not follow the teaching of Christ. Christ was a humble man and did not give into material possessions. From these teachings, come the Vatican? Really? I said Christianity is about power and money, I did not say Christ was.
Islam: Hereis my problem with it. Unlike Christ, Muhammad WAS violent, taught violence, practiced violence and ORDERED violence. It is a violent religion. If a Muslim does not believe in that shit or do it, I have no problem with him, but the teachings of his religion are what they are.
When that jack off was gunna burn the Koran, everyone went nuts over it especially Muslims, When 50 people were killed over a cartoon, no one said shit about the dead 50, no, the fact that anyone would bad mouth Islam, THAT was the problem.
I can't stand Christianity, because it is all a money scam, and they are not getting my money, they take it from people stupid enough to give it to them. I can live with that. I can't stand Islam because they are always trying to blow shit up in the name of Islam, getting blown up is something I can't live with.
uhh, what. all of a sudden you can make judgements on catholics when you obviously don't understand our religion? arent you the same guy who said it was stupid that the priest got to decide whether your sins were forgiven or not? i mean if you believe shit like that you really need to shut your mouth
Hey, you asked. After you read up no the Vatican, we can talk about all of those televangelists and all of the Christian children fund charities
you think the vatican is "one or 2 guys"? Really? Ever been to a Catholic mass where they didn't ask for money?........Me either.HaiBai wrote:
i dont care if one or two guys of the church are corrupt. every group is corrupt in someway. its not like this was a huge plan by some evil mastermind to profit off of catholicslowing wrote:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatic … llions.htmHaiBai wrote:
do you know that most people who are atheist believe many ignorant opinions of religion?AussieReaper wrote:
Do you know that most people who are religious believe that they will see the rapture in their lifetime?yeah? so where exactly is all of this money? who has it? is the pope fucking protitutes left and right as he drives his ferrari out of the vatican?lowing wrote:
You quoted Christ, you did not quote Christianity, which by and large does not follow the teaching of Christ. Christ was a humble man and did not give into material possessions. From these teachings, come the Vatican? Really? I said Christianity is about power and money, I did not say Christ was.
Islam: Hereis my problem with it. Unlike Christ, Muhammad WAS violent, taught violence, practiced violence and ORDERED violence. It is a violent religion. If a Muslim does not believe in that shit or do it, I have no problem with him, but the teachings of his religion are what they are.
When that jack off was gunna burn the Koran, everyone went nuts over it especially Muslims, When 50 people were killed over a cartoon, no one said shit about the dead 50, no, the fact that anyone would bad mouth Islam, THAT was the problem.
I can't stand Christianity, because it is all a money scam, and they are not getting my money, they take it from people stupid enough to give it to them. I can live with that. I can't stand Islam because they are always trying to blow shit up in the name of Islam, getting blown up is something I can't live with.
uhh, what. all of a sudden you can make judgements on catholics when you obviously don't understand our religion? arent you the same guy who said it was stupid that the priest got to decide whether your sins were forgiven or not? i mean if you believe shit like that you really need to shut your mouth
Hey, you asked. After you read up no the Vatican, we can talk about all of those televangelists and all of the Christian children fund charities
explain "mental deficiencies" to me. if somebody murders his child that doesn't automatically mean that person's mentally ill just as if somebody tells you god told him the world's about to end that doesn't mean that person's coo coo either. it's amazing (and frightening at the same time) what people are capable of deluding themselves into while remaining perfectly sane.Kmar wrote:
My point, relative to the discussion, is simply that the mental wiring is different for some people. Obviously someone who would slit their kids throat because they think the end of the world is here has some mental deficiencies. If murdering your kids were the norm then the correlation with religion would be relevant. In fact christianity teaches its followers to protect the people they love. The mentally ill operate in their own reality. A case like this isn't an indictment against religion. .. other cases can be made though.
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so the leaders of the catholic church for the past 2000 years have successfully passed on these secrets without letting anyone know? yeah, im sure.lowing wrote:
you think the vatican is "one or 2 guys"? Really? Ever been to a Catholic mass where they didn't ask for money?........Me either.HaiBai wrote:
i dont care if one or two guys of the church are corrupt. every group is corrupt in someway. its not like this was a huge plan by some evil mastermind to profit off of catholicslowing wrote:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatic … llions.htm
Hey, you asked. After you read up no the Vatican, we can talk about all of those televangelists and all of the Christian children fund charities
fyi, its a donation. you dont have to pay anything
do priests and other random corrupt people occasionally steal? of course. but does that mean its a huge scam? no
you asked where a lot of the money is, I showed you, now, did you want to discuss the big business of Christianity via televangelists and Christian charities for example? How about tithing to the church? What does your relationship with Jesus have anything to do with your checking account?HaiBai wrote:
so the leaders of the catholic church for the past 2000 years have successfully passed on these secrets without letting anyone know? yeah, im sure.lowing wrote:
you think the vatican is "one or 2 guys"? Really? Ever been to a Catholic mass where they didn't ask for money?........Me either.HaiBai wrote:
i dont care if one or two guys of the church are corrupt. every group is corrupt in someway. its not like this was a huge plan by some evil mastermind to profit off of catholics
fyi, its a donation. you dont have to pay anything
do priests and other random corrupt people occasionally steal? of course. but does that mean its a huge scam? no
ITT: Haibai will have to defend the Catholic church from arguments against Protestant churches.
Oh come now, don't be so naive. The "donations" or "tithing" have a social guilt attached to them that is attributed to those who do not make such contributions. This is how the church operates. Donate out of the goodness of your heart or risk being frowned upon by the group if you don't. That's hardly charity.HaiBai wrote:
so the leaders of the catholic church for the past 2000 years have successfully passed on these secrets without letting anyone know? yeah, im sure.lowing wrote:
you think the vatican is "one or 2 guys"? Really? Ever been to a Catholic mass where they didn't ask for money?........Me either.HaiBai wrote:
i dont care if one or two guys of the church are corrupt. every group is corrupt in someway. its not like this was a huge plan by some evil mastermind to profit off of catholics
fyi, its a donation. you dont have to pay anything
do priests and other random corrupt people occasionally steal? of course. but does that mean its a huge scam? no
don't forget the burning in hell thing if you don't "donate" as well.Jaekus wrote:
Oh come now, don't be so naive. The "donations" or "tithing" have a social guilt attached to them that is attributed to those who do not make such contributions. This is how the church operates. Donate out of the goodness of your heart or risk being frowned upon by the group if you don't. That's hardly charity.HaiBai wrote:
so the leaders of the catholic church for the past 2000 years have successfully passed on these secrets without letting anyone know? yeah, im sure.lowing wrote:
you think the vatican is "one or 2 guys"? Really? Ever been to a Catholic mass where they didn't ask for money?........Me either.
fyi, its a donation. you dont have to pay anything
do priests and other random corrupt people occasionally steal? of course. but does that mean its a huge scam? no
Sigh.
U.S. Catholic churches = | = U.S. protestant churches.
Tithes are a protestant thing in the U.S. In all the years of CCD I did along with the forced church attendance I never once heard anyone suggest a tithe. That donate or be frowned upon thing isn't prevalent in Catholic churches either.Catholic Encyclopedia wrote:
In English-speaking countries generally, as far as Catholics are concerned, the clergy receive no tithes. As a consequence, other means have had to be adopted to support the clergy and maintain the ecclesiastical institutions (see CHURCH MAINTENANCE), and to substitute other equivalent payments in lieu of tithes.
U.S. Catholic churches = | = U.S. protestant churches.
Wasn't there also a period where you could buy "get out of Purgatory" tickets. That's not crooked at all.
Hmmmm,I wonder where the Vatican gets all of its money from, and it treasures, gold, and jewels. I also wonder why all that treasure is there and not sold in order to "feed the children".Macbeth wrote:
Sigh.Tithes are a protestant thing in the U.S. In all the years of CCD I did along with the forced church attendance I never once heard anyone suggest a tithe. That donate or be frowned upon thing isn't prevalent in Catholic churches either.Catholic Encyclopedia wrote:
In English-speaking countries generally, as far as Catholics are concerned, the clergy receive no tithes. As a consequence, other means have had to be adopted to support the clergy and maintain the ecclesiastical institutions (see CHURCH MAINTENANCE), and to substitute other equivalent payments in lieu of tithes.
U.S. Catholic churches = | = U.S. protestant churches.
A quick google search says indulgences stopped being given out in 1567. As shitty as religion is and as backwards as the Catholic church is on sex, the modern church isn't nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be.
don't tell me, tell it to those living in the vatican surrounded by treasure, while children go hungry.Macbeth wrote:
A quick google search says indulgences stopped being given out in 1567. As shitty as religion is and as backwards as the Catholic church is on sex, the modern church isn't nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be.
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oh please. is this opinion coming from someone who has probably never attended a mass before? no one in church cares about what someone else does or doesn't do. it's not as if everyone is staring at the donation basket as it travels around the church, watching who makes a donation and who doesn't. no one gets 'frowned upon'. stop talking out of your assJaekus wrote:
Oh come now, don't be so naive. The "donations" or "tithing" have a social guilt attached to them that is attributed to those who do not make such contributions. This is how the church operates. Donate out of the goodness of your heart or risk being frowned upon by the group if you don't. That's hardly charity.HaiBai wrote:
so the leaders of the catholic church for the past 2000 years have successfully passed on these secrets without letting anyone know? yeah, im sure.lowing wrote:
you think the vatican is "one or 2 guys"? Really? Ever been to a Catholic mass where they didn't ask for money?........Me either.HaiBai wrote:
i dont care if one or two guys of the church are corrupt. every group is corrupt in someway. its not like this was a huge plan by some evil mastermind to profit off of catholics
fyi, its a donation. you dont have to pay anything
do priests and other random corrupt people occasionally steal? of course. but does that mean its a huge scam? no
source?lowing wrote:
don't forget the burning in hell thing if you don't "donate" as well.Jaekus wrote:
Oh come now, don't be so naive. The "donations" or "tithing" have a social guilt attached to them that is attributed to those who do not make such contributions. This is how the church operates. Donate out of the goodness of your heart or risk being frowned upon by the group if you don't. That's hardly charity.HaiBai wrote:
so the leaders of the catholic church for the past 2000 years have successfully passed on these secrets without letting anyone know? yeah, im sure.
fyi, its a donation. you dont have to pay anything
do priests and other random corrupt people occasionally steal? of course. but does that mean its a huge scam? no
the church is already feeding the poor and helping those in poverty. even if the vatican was sold, poverty would continue to exist.lowing wrote:
don't tell me, tell it to those living in the vatican surrounded by treasure, while children go hungry.Macbeth wrote:
A quick google search says indulgences stopped being given out in 1567. As shitty as religion is and as backwards as the Catholic church is on sex, the modern church isn't nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be.
but then again, every little bit helps. so, let's say the pope decides to sell the vatican. alright so, who's going to buy it? who in the world wants to own a church? maybe we should tear down st peters and put up a walmart to generate revenue, and then give that to the poor as well. come on, even if you hate the catholic church, you have to admit that there is a historical and artistic value to the vatican.
but maybe you're right. let's continue and sell every single church on earth. in fact, many dioceses are trying to sell some closed churches right now. these churches are worth so much, we could easily end poverty! oh wait, nobody wants to buy the church. we could replace or remove the church, which would cost millions, and then start selling land. we'll lose money.
but it's the thought that counts. i mean, taxes will rise for everyone because every student that goes to a private school will now have to attend public schools. all the former employees of the catholic church will be without jobs, and the government won't get their taxes anymore. the church will stop donating tons of money to charities and victims of sex abuse because, well, it sold off everything just to fight poverty. i guess the government will also have to step up and fill the void that the church took up. in other words, selling everything wouldn't do anything for anybody. it would cause more harm then good.
stop trying to defend that stupid youtube video lowing. how about this: the catholic church will sell all of its possessions when you sell all of yours to feed the poor.
better yet, our government should care for and help it's citizens. let's sell the declaration of independence, the white house, the statue of liberty, and countless of other historical shit that no one should care about to end poverty and feed the hungry in america. if you can give me an argument to why the government of america shouldn't do that, you can apply that same argument to the catholic church.