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2009-02-20 21:17:19
FEOS
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mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


dude seriously stop with the fukin comparisons. seriously! 

Ok, when i said that, i wasn't even sure. Maybe the UN was there to see what crimes the isreali have committed? Maybe the UN was there to see how many people the isreali manged to kill by "ACCIDENT". Are you even sure Hamas called them ? Maybe the UN offered to dispose of the weapons and some low ranking Hamas member said yes but then a high ranking member thought no.......the point being, why are you using what i said against me when i clearly said "I reckon".
I don't know...what's the title of this forum again?
What i said was true then ?
No. The title of the forum is "Debate and Serious Talk". Using what you said against you is a method of "Debate"..."Debate" being the first word in the title of this forum.
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2009-02-21 04:33:43
Dilbert_X
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Gaza is under Hamas control, Israel dropped bombs on Gaza, Hamas can do whatever they like with any unexploded ones.
The UN has no jurisdiction, its there as an observer.

And I've never heard of any Palestinian deliberately blowing up another with the intention of claiming Israel did it.
Fuck Israel
2009-02-21 08:15:59
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Gaza is under Hamas control, Israel dropped bombs on Gaza, Hamas can do whatever they like with any unexploded ones.
The UN has no jurisdiction, its there as an observer.

And I've never heard of any Palestinian deliberately blowing up another with the intention of claiming Israel did it.
And I never heard of a Yorkie flavoured McFlurry until last week, just because you've never seen it before doesn't mean it won't happen and with Hamas' track record of pretty much guiding airstrikes into civilian locations it wouldn't surprise me if they did that.
2009-02-21 10:04:48
mafia996630
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FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:


I don't know...what's the title of this forum again?
What i said was true then ?
No. The title of the forum is "Debate and Serious Talk". Using what you said against you is a method of "Debate"..."Debate" being the first word in the title of this forum.
No point having a debate based on lies. What i said is most likely wrong, as there are many other reasons why the UN would be there in the first place.

Do you know why everyone else is also saying that the UN has custody of the weapons....o wait. nvm.
2009-02-21 14:16:31
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6671|'Murka

mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


What i said was true then ?
No. The title of the forum is "Debate and Serious Talk". Using what you said against you is a method of "Debate"..."Debate" being the first word in the title of this forum.
No point having a debate based on lies. What i said is most likely wrong, as there are many other reasons why the UN would be there in the first place.

Do you know why everyone else is also saying that the UN has custody of the weapons....o wait. nvm.
And just who is lying here?

And just why the fuck should I care what everyone else is saying or not saying? Will I not be as popular at school next week or something?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-02-21 14:39:34
imortal
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Actually, this gives me an idea for a new tacitc for Isreal.... Back during the Soviet/ Afghan war, the soviets would sometimes 'accidentally' leave half a case of hand grenades when they pulled out of somewhere.  Of course, the Mujahideen would appropriate the grenades to attack to Soviets with.  Unfortunately, the Soviets would have replaced the usual 5 second fuses with a 0 delay engineer's fuse.  The upshot was that the grenade would go off as soon as that Mujahidid released the safety spoon when he threw, blowing himself up.

How about a bomb that doesn't explode when it falls, but has tamper devices in it that makes it go off when someone is trying to dismantle it for explosives?  Of course, that would be kind of hard on any UN people that actually try to disarm it, but it doesn't look too much like they are getting a chance.
2009-02-21 14:50:12
rdx-fx
...
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imortal wrote:

Actually, this gives me an idea for a new tacitc for Isreal.... Back during the Soviet/ Afghan war, the soviets would sometimes 'accidentally' leave half a case of hand grenades when they pulled out of somewhere.  Of course, the Mujahideen would appropriate the grenades to attack to Soviets with.  Unfortunately, the Soviets would have replaced the usual 5 second fuses with a 0 delay engineer's fuse.  The upshot was that the grenade would go off as soon as that Mujahidid released the safety spoon when he threw, blowing himself up.

How about a bomb that doesn't explode when it falls, but has tamper devices in it that makes it go off when someone is trying to dismantle it for explosives?  Of course, that would be kind of hard on any UN people that actually try to disarm it, but it doesn't look too much like they are getting a chance.
Send this man to Sapper school!
2009-02-21 15:19:44
mafia996630
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FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

No. The title of the forum is "Debate and Serious Talk". Using what you said against you is a method of "Debate"..."Debate" being the first word in the title of this forum.
No point having a debate based on lies. What i said is most likely wrong, as there are many other reasons why the UN would be there in the first place.

Do you know why everyone else is also saying that the UN has custody of the weapons....o wait. nvm.
And just who is lying here?

And just why the fuck should I care what everyone else is saying or not saying? Will I not be as popular at school next week or something?
This is fukin stupid.

what i say or don't say doesn't change the fuking facts. Just because i said it, doesn't mean that its true. And come to think of it, i wasn't lying, i was just saying what i was thinking. Now the fact that you think the UN has custody of the weapons is retarded hence why no one else is saying it, and fyi being popular means shit on the interweb.

Lets put the situation in a different way:

RETARD ARMY A : Drops bombs on Gaza

Militant Group A:Finds unexploded bombs and starts collecting them so innocent people don't get killed.

UN Aid Agency: Offers to destroy bombs.

Militant Group A:Accepts this offer and says they will guard it in the meantime.

UN Aid Agency: Asks RETARD ARMY A for PERMISSION to disarm bombs.

RETARD ARMY A: Being the retards that they are, can't decide if they want to stop Militant Group A getting hands on their bombs.

Militant Group A: Thinks, fuk this. Maybe we can use these and tells UN Aid Agency to fuk off.

(^lulz).

Now point is, no authority was given powers to go in and seize the weapons. No exchange was made between Hamas and the UN. No seizure papers were exchanged between Hamas and the UN. The UN got fuked by Hamas, but the UN don't give a toss as they have nothing to gain or loose.

Anywho, can't someone PLEASE agree with him so I can think how retarded some people are and fukk of this thread.
2009-02-21 16:36:37
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:


No point having a debate based on lies. What i said is most likely wrong, as there are many other reasons why the UN would be there in the first place.

Do you know why everyone else is also saying that the UN has custody of the weapons....o wait. nvm.
And just who is lying here?

And just why the fuck should I care what everyone else is saying or not saying? Will I not be as popular at school next week or something?
This is fukin stupid.

what i say or don't say doesn't change the fuking facts. Just because i said it, doesn't mean that its true. And come to think of it, i wasn't lying, i was just saying what i was thinking. Now the fact that you think the UN has custody of the weapons is retarded hence why no one else is saying it, and fyi being popular means shit on the interweb.

Lets put the situation in a different way:

A bunch of nonsense with improper aiming of "retard" accusations.

Now point is, no authority was given powers to go in and seize the weapons. No exchange was made between Hamas and the UN. No seizure papers were exchanged between Hamas and the UN. The UN got fuked by Hamas, but the UN don't give a toss as they have nothing to gain or loose.

Anywho, can't someone PLEASE agree with him so I can think how retarded some people are and fukk of this thread.
Well. You're quite the internet stud, aren't you?

Hamas made an agreement with the UN. Hamas then reneged on their agreement with the UN. Shocking. Who would ever have guessed it?

Hamas agreed to hold and secure the weapons so the UN could disarm them. Then they went back on the deal. When they made the agreement with the UN, they effectively gave ownership of those weapons to the UN. That's how it works, whether you like it or not. Sorry if it's inconvenient, but it can't be helped.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-02-22 14:10:10
mafia996630
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FEOS wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

And just who is lying here?

And just why the fuck should I care what everyone else is saying or not saying? Will I not be as popular at school next week or something?
This is fukin stupid.

what i say or don't say doesn't change the fuking facts. Just because i said it, doesn't mean that its true. And come to think of it, i wasn't lying, i was just saying what i was thinking. Now the fact that you think the UN has custody of the weapons is retarded hence why no one else is saying it, and fyi being popular means shit on the interweb.

Lets put the situation in a different way:

A bunch of nonsense with improper aiming of "retard" accusations.

Now point is, no authority was given powers to go in and seize the weapons. No exchange was made between Hamas and the UN. No seizure papers were exchanged between Hamas and the UN. The UN got fuked by Hamas, but the UN don't give a toss as they have nothing to gain or loose.

Anywho, can't someone PLEASE agree with him so I can think how retarded some people are and fukk of this thread.
Well. You're quite the internet stud, aren't you?

Hamas made an agreement with the UN. Hamas then reneged on their agreement with the UN. Shocking. Who would ever have guessed it?

Hamas agreed to hold and secure the weapons so the UN could disarm them. Then they went back on the deal. When they made the agreement with the UN, they effectively gave ownership of those weapons to the UN. That's how it works, whether you like it or not. Sorry if it's inconvenient, but it can't be helped.
Was the agreement made on paper ? was it signed by both parties involved ? If really Hamas did steal weapons from the UN, why doesn't the UN not retaliate?Who gave the jurisdiction to the UN in Gaza ? Where is the warrant for the seizure of the weapons ? Why were safe guards not put in place by the UN to prevent Hamas stealing the weapons ? Why didn't RETARD ARMY 1 allow the UN to disarm the bombs ? Why are Hamas simply not allowed to change their mind ?
2009-02-22 18:37:31
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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A lot of interesting questions. But you've clearly got it all figured out, so you should have the answers to all those, shouldn't you?

On paper: Who knows? Being on paper is irrelevant. Verbal agreements are just as binding if they can be proven. Since both Hamas and the UN agreed this agreement was made, the point is rather moot.

Why won't the UN retaliate: With what, exactly? What's the UN going to do, throw paper clips at them?

Warrant: Is one even required? Who would issue it? Hamas (it IS in Gaza, you know).

Safeguards: When has the UN done anything competently?

Army: The Israeli Army (which I assume is what you mean by "RETARD ARMY 1"...so very clever) doesn't control Gaza. It's not up to them whether the UN disarms the bombs or not.

Changing their mind: Of course they're allowed to change their mind...nobody ever said otherwise. But when one makes a deal, one must deal with the consequences of welshing on that deal.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-02-22 23:37:09
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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FEOS wrote:

Hamas agreed to hold and secure the weapons so the UN could disarm them. Then they went back on the deal.
So they changed their minds over a verbal contract, big deal.
When they made the agreement with the UN, they effectively gave ownership of those weapons to the UN.
No they didn't, they just agreed to hold them until the UN disarmed them.
I see nothing in the OP to the contrary, apart from the Israeli allegations of 'commandeering'.

Given how many UN resolutions Israel is in breach of breaking a verbal agreement to let someone else deactivate some bombs is fairly trivial.
Fuck Israel
2009-02-22 23:40:24
Macbeth
Banned
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Something wicked this way comes.
2009-02-23 03:02:41
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6671|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Hamas agreed to hold and secure the weapons so the UN could disarm them. Then they went back on the deal.
So they changed their minds over a verbal contract, big deal.
Try using that in court if you change your mind over a verbal contract. Verbal contracts are just as binding as written ones.

Dilbert_X wrote:

When they made the agreement with the UN, they effectively gave ownership of those weapons to the UN.
No they didn't, they just agreed to hold them until the UN disarmed them.
So your argument is that they're just "holding" them so the UN can come disarm them? Kinda weird, considering it's the UN that brought up that the weapons were missing.

Dilbert_X wrote:

I see nothing in the OP to the contrary, apart from the Israeli allegations of 'commandeering'.
There's a lot missing in the OP, contrary or otherwise. This is just speculation on all of our parts. I certainly hope that Hamas took those weapons back to one of their other stashes and attempt to disarm them themselves.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Given how many UN resolutions Israel is in breach of breaking a verbal agreement to let someone else deactivate some bombs is fairly trivial.
This isn't about Israel and the UN. It's about Hamas and the UN. But nice (yet not unexpected) attempt to divert the argument to something that's easier for you.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-05-27 11:27:30
eleven bravo
Member
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imortal wrote:

Actually, this gives me an idea for a new tacitc for Isreal.... Back during the Soviet/ Afghan war, the soviets would sometimes 'accidentally' leave half a case of hand grenades when they pulled out of somewhere.  Of course, the Mujahideen would appropriate the grenades to attack to Soviets with.  Unfortunately, the Soviets would have replaced the usual 5 second fuses with a 0 delay engineer's fuse.  The upshot was that the grenade would go off as soon as that Mujahidid released the safety spoon when he threw, blowing himself up.

How about a bomb that doesn't explode when it falls, but has tamper devices in it that makes it go off when someone is trying to dismantle it for explosives?  Of course, that would be kind of hard on any UN people that actually try to disarm it, but it doesn't look too much like they are getting a chance.
even better, instead of making it look like a bomb they could make it look like a crate full of aid or toys or milk or something.
Tu Stultus Es
2011-05-27 11:31:34
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6483|Escea

eleven bravo wrote:

imortal wrote:

Actually, this gives me an idea for a new tacitc for Isreal.... Back during the Soviet/ Afghan war, the soviets would sometimes 'accidentally' leave half a case of hand grenades when they pulled out of somewhere.  Of course, the Mujahideen would appropriate the grenades to attack to Soviets with.  Unfortunately, the Soviets would have replaced the usual 5 second fuses with a 0 delay engineer's fuse.  The upshot was that the grenade would go off as soon as that Mujahidid released the safety spoon when he threw, blowing himself up.

How about a bomb that doesn't explode when it falls, but has tamper devices in it that makes it go off when someone is trying to dismantle it for explosives?  Of course, that would be kind of hard on any UN people that actually try to disarm it, but it doesn't look too much like they are getting a chance.
even better, instead of making it look like a bomb they could make it look like a crate full of aid or toys or milk or something.
I think the Soviets did that as well.

 

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