BF2S Forums Showing ID at the polls

Jay wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

photo id isnt something mandated by law

But being a citizen when casting a vote is. I don't see why demanding proof of citizenship is an issue. Everyone has a birth certificate or ss card.

except obama

Superior Mind wrote:

I don't like. This prevents marginal Americans whom, for whatever reason don't have an ID, from voting.

lol what kind of fuck knob doesnt have an id?  well fuck em then.  dont want someone that stupid to vote anyway.

Jay wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

photo id isnt something mandated by law

But being a citizen when casting a vote is. I don't see why demanding proof of citizenship is an issue. Everyone has a birth certificate or ss card.

It's adding an unnecessary level of complication for voting that will only serve to thin the voting population. When you register to vote, your proof of citizenship is already checked. Here go to this cite http://www.rockthevote.org/ and click register to vote. Make note of when it ask you for your name, address, and social security.

And like I told lowing, election fraud doesn't occur with people repeatedly voting.

Sturgeon wrote:

It's hardly complicated getting your wallet out and showing a little plastic card with your photo on.

Macbeth wrote:

Military or other Government ID

something you might not have in you are in the military

Sturgeon wrote:

It's hardly complicated getting your wallet out and showing a little plastic card with your photo on.

How do you prove you are who you say you are without ID?

Are the same people bitching about you shouldn't have to show ID those kicking up a fucking shitstorm about Obama not proving he's American?

No, the opposite people actually.

Macbeth wrote:

The U.S. military uses state ID's?

No, he was pointing out that members of the military are covered by their military ID, which they carry with them 24/7.

No. If you mean as a passport, only while traveling on official military business.

Last edited by Jay (2011-05-22 14:32:19)

Macbeth wrote:

The Wisconsin law requires a state ID. A military ID is worthless in the context of this discussion.

So what? Find me a member of the military that doesn't have a state ID and I'll buy you BF3.

As I said before, if Photo IDs are so hard for some people to come buy, that's what needs to be examined, not this law. Being able to prove you are who you say you are legally should be a right.

And yes, people do in fact commit voter fraud. This particularly kind of voter fraud(pretending to be someone else) does in fact happen though it's not the most commonly used. It is a step in the right direction, however, and having an ID is reasonable enough(considering the overwhelming amount of things they require) that such a law isn't really an impediment. I think the only case that seems remotely feasible as opposition is with the elderly, which will certainly need to be examined.

I've seen articles quoting "11% of citizens don't have IDs" which honestly seems bunk. None of them have source, stating only "a survey".  I question then how these 11% manage to function. I first got a state ID before I could even drive, to sign up for college, since it was required to do so.  It's required whenever I cash a check with my name on it, withdraw from my bank account, purchase something for 18(21)+,  when I apply for a job, etc etc...

So, with all those things which require an ID, how is it that only someone who drives would have one? It seems that anyone with a job, has been to college, or has a bank account would need one.

You know what would solve the problem? Make the damn photo IDs free. Who cares about the $10 fee? Waive that shit. Then people can stop crying about a poll tax.

Jay wrote:

That's some fucking poll tax you're worried about btw. Astronomical.

If you do not drive, you may choose a short-term non-driver ID card valid for 4 to 5 years, or a long-term ID card valid for 8 to 9 years. The exact period of your ID card and your fee depend on whether you select a short-term or long-term ID and the relationship between the date you apply and the expiration date (your month and day of birth). A short-term ID card will cost between $9.00 and $10.00. A long-term ID will cost between $13.00 and $14.00. These fees include a $5.00 photo document fee.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c-33.htm

Ridiculous.

Edit - Just looked up Wisconsin's fee and it's a whopping $28. Is that a burden for any non-basement-dwelling-video-game-addicted-no-lifer? No.

Indiana when they passed a similar law made it so people could get voter ID cards, free of charge. The cost wasn't even an issue(free) yet people were still shouting "Poll tax!" all the way to the supreme court, which just goes to show it's a diversion.

Last edited by Blue Herring (2011-05-22 17:38:44)

Blue Herring wrote:

Jay wrote:

That's some fucking poll tax you're worried about btw. Astronomical.

If you do not drive, you may choose a short-term non-driver ID card valid for 4 to 5 years, or a long-term ID card valid for 8 to 9 years. The exact period of your ID card and your fee depend on whether you select a short-term or long-term ID and the relationship between the date you apply and the expiration date (your month and day of birth). A short-term ID card will cost between $9.00 and $10.00. A long-term ID will cost between $13.00 and $14.00. These fees include a $5.00 photo document fee.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c-33.htm

Ridiculous.

Edit - Just looked up Wisconsin's fee and it's a whopping $28. Is that a burden for any non-basement-dwelling-video-game-addicted-no-lifer? No.

Indiana when they past a similar law made it so people could get voter ID cards, free of charge. The cost wasn't even an issue(free) yet people were still shouting "Poll tax!" all the way to the supreme court, which just goes to show it's a diversion.

Are you serious?? Don't these people have better things to do with their time? Aren't there more important issues to champion in the world than taking stuff like that to the Supreme Court?