[Minecraft]

2011-05-20 07:31:18

#2276

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

that's where the current debate arises with video-games and the current philosophical and aesthetic definitions of art... music and film (normally art-cinema) are considered artistic mediums in themselves; and, true enough, games include and work with these existing forms. but they are forms in themselves... you cannot make a game 'art' because it incorporates some other artistic medium, that doesn't make much sense. it follows logically, then, that the aspects unique to the form of a 'game' in itself must reach an artistic merit. it's pretty hard to see how, in this sense, games can rise above the category of entertainment. similarly, it's hard to see how game design can rise above the category of a craft.

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2011-05-20 07:34:59

#2277

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6691

contextually and ideologically we must, also, be aware that in our current post-modern era everything can be 'principally' called 'art' - but i think this is a political point aiming at something quite different than the video-game debated. again, to use such a statement would be pretty fruitless and would serve no purpose in further understanding the aesthetics of game-design. when duchamps said that a toilet urinal could be art, we must remember the political motivations of such a gesture. as, then, with the "it's subjective!" argument, it doesn't really get us very far; we either conclude that everything is subjective and hence unclassifiable, or everything is already art, thus emptying the signification itself.

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2011-05-20 07:44:29

#2278

Camm: Feeding the Cats.; +761|5189|Dundee, Scotland.

stop taking the piss now.

for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.

2011-05-20 07:59:20

#2279

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|5063|Amsterdam

Uzique wrote:
Shocking wrote:
Uzique wrote:
i'm still of the opinion that no video-game is art, so a sandbox game isn't going to be the first to break through into the category...
I would agree that stuff made in minecraft definitely isn't art, but to say an entire game (any for that matter) isn't?

-a lot- of work goes into creating one and I don't think it needs any less thought or skill than writing a book or making a painting.
the thing is, a book of artistic merit is conceived of by one mind-- it's a staggering work of talent by a genius.

a game is a sum of its parts, worked on by lots of specialists each contributing their part. i wouldn't say it's art, on that basis. it's not an 'art' to do the physics coding for a game engine; nor is it an art to do the character voice-overs. you're doing work that involves talent and skill, but to an entertaining end, not an artistic one. it lacks high-vision and purpose. it's an interesting view, though, i agree, to view a game in-itself as an artistic artefact. as of yet, though, i don't think any computer game is approaching enough cohesion and unity to be considered as one singular 'idea'.

I cant agree with this.
You state movies can be a work of art (true), but a game cant because its is being made by different departments with many different people working in it?
Thats bullcrap. The same thing happens in movies.
Now i know that coding an engine isnt art, but neither is editing sound for a movie.
Now i know some might think: But a movie comes out the imagination/mind of a single person.
But this also goes for games (not for a lot though).
With movies and games its all about the final product you end up with that can be called art or not.

2011-05-20 10:18:48

#2280

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6993|PNW

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
But tucker's right, whatever started all this should be put to rest, at least in this thread.

Neither side will relent. This thread should probably return to minecraft.

2011-05-20 10:35:08

#2281

tuckergustav: ...; +1,590|6134|...

Minecraft

McFine Art

Minecraft is the McDonalds of Fine Art.

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2011-05-20 11:17:55

#2282

tuckergustav: ...; +1,590|6134|...

Random minecraft problem

I haven't played in a while. Open it up, log in to my world...and it is horribly laggy...takes forever to render and it doesn't register my movements until a few seconds later. What's up with that?

...

2011-05-20 11:24:48

#2283

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6993|PNW

Allocate more memory.

2011-05-20 12:08:21

#2284

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6721|so randum

why am i incapable of making anything that isn't a castle ):

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2011-05-20 12:09:04

#2285

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6721|so randum

un what's that program you use for making huge areas of land flat?

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2011-05-20 12:28:28

#2286

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6912|Devon, England

WorldEdit?

2011-05-20 12:32:14

#2287

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6721|so randum

looks like it, ty

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2011-05-20 22:24:36

#2288

Roger Lesboules: Ah ben tabarnak!; +316|6798|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

FatherTed wrote:
un what's that program you use for making huge areas of land flat?

Pickaxe and shovel maybe?

Ok, im really old in the way i build, and it make it so anything take a little while, but its nice this way

2011-05-20 23:07:13

#2289

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6993|PNW

How about NOOO.

/dr. evil

2011-05-21 09:08:12

#2290

menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6667|Amsterdam‫

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2498/arguinginternetretardedt.jpg

https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee37/menzo2003/fredbf2.png

2011-05-21 09:09:34

#2291

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|5063|Amsterdam

Menzo,
we need play more minecraft. Our woulds needs more huge towers.

2011-05-21 09:19:32

#2292

Camm: Feeding the Cats.; +761|5189|Dundee, Scotland.

Kampframmer wrote:
Menzo,
we need play more minecraft. Our woulds needs more huge towers.

server ip?

for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.

2011-05-21 09:20:54

#2293

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|5063|Amsterdam

I always want more people in the server, but its not mine

So, ask Menzo.

2011-05-21 10:51:16

#2294

menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6667|Amsterdam‫

the MCadmin was a dick a while ago, couldnt get it running. and i think 3 players is about the max for my PC, because i play the game on the same system. i can try to get it running again

2011-05-21 11:06:38

#2295

jsnipy: ...; +3,276|6743|...

how many resources is it using when it is running with a couple people?

2011-05-21 13:07:40

#2296

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|5063|Amsterdam

Whenever i play, but menzo isnt, everything runs smooth. but as soon as menzo joins i beign to lag horribly. Its still playable, but everything has a slight delay (that i dont really notice).
So its impossible for me to kite a creeper and shit like that. but building goes fine (for the most part, sometimes i have some minor lagg issues)

2011-05-21 13:08:53

#2297

Kampframmer: Esq.; +313|5063|Amsterdam

i think 3 players would be hell.
But 2 players when menzo isnt playing should be better than when menzo and I play (in theory).

Maybe you should run MCadmin on your laptop and wireless network. maybe that'll help

2011-05-21 14:17:58