Lol ignore the whole post for one number. Believe it or not bombing was quite a new technology in WWI. I think if we killed 550 civilians in Libya that probably wouldn't have you sitting there going "wow 550"Dilbert_X wrote:
Wow, 550, thats a lot.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWzeppelinraids.htm wrote:
Many places suffered from Zeppelin raids included Edinburgh, Gravesend, Sunderland, the Midlands and the Home Counties. By the end of May 1916 at least 550 British civilians had been killed by German Zeppelins.
dilbert would wave his cock around one civie death.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Lol ignore the whole post for one number. Believe it or not bombing was quite a new technology in WWI. I think if we killed 550 civilians in Libya that probably wouldn't have you sitting there going "wow 550"Dilbert_X wrote:
Wow, 550, thats a lot.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Not only that, they didn't respond to a firefight (with explosions) that lasted 40 minutes. The ISI's local office was just down the street, as was the military academy. So they're either all deaf or lazy as fuck.Cybargs wrote:
Didn't they not detect the black hawks and not know there was a goddamn raid going onM.O.A.B wrote:
Christ, they might as well just come out and admit they want to protect AQ.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … -raid.html
or the seals are just goddamn silent but seriously, HOW DO YOU NOT NOTICE A HELICOPTER CRASHM.O.A.B wrote:
Not only that, they didn't respond to a firefight (with explosions) that lasted 40 minutes. The ISI's local office was just down the street, as was the military academy. So they're either all deaf or lazy as fuck.Cybargs wrote:
Didn't they not detect the black hawks and not know there was a goddamn raid going onM.O.A.B wrote:
Christ, they might as well just come out and admit they want to protect AQ.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … -raid.html
someone here really doesnt know the history of the kkk
Tu Stultus Es
wtf lol?eleven bravo wrote:
someone here really doesnt know the history of the kkk
lowing, he ignores me now
Tu Stultus Es
hes probably in a klan meetingeleven bravo wrote:
lowing, he ignores me now
hes got a head full of thumb tacks
Tu Stultus Es
I suppose you do not recall, even after I repeated it, I said "PRACTICALLY every day", I did not say literally every day. I said practically every day IE enough times to make it seem that way. Your argument is, I am full of shit because it is only every week. Fine, every week then. WHere else does suicide bombing happen every week outside of the peaceful and tolerant and serene Islamic countries?Jaekus wrote:
Because you can't seem to be able read or understand english properly, let me explain to you once more with a little more detail.lowing wrote:
you got stats on that? lets have them... Show me where even by your own admittance a major explosion by a suicide bomber or any other every week is not considered common place. Where else does that bullshit happen that isn't Islamic extremist related?
As I told Ty, Kamikazes was common toward the end of WW2 to say it wasn't by comparing the entire population of Japan to the numbers of kamikaze attacks is pretty dumb.
I said "A lot of course, but hardly every day". That is stating it is still commonplace but not every single day.
Are you following me now, or do you need me to slow it down some more for you?
I ask because you're coming across as incredibly dense right now.Have you got data for that, other than your anti-Islamic propaganda sites?lowing wrote:
yeah as mouthpieces, please explain to me how "a few" extremists can take hold of a peaceful, tolerant, and serene religion like Islam and run with it without any support? The KKK couldn't do it, they were run out of town. So again how does "a few" hold hostage a religion that has over 30000 bazillion followers with very little if any resistance from the masses?Jaekus wrote:
Maybe by their extremist mates. The majority of Islam condemns such attacks.
Ohhhhh, so you think Islam has a positive image in the world, fine agree to disagree. Personally, I think Islam needs a new public relations firm handling their image.
Why are you more concerned with who reports information, than you are about the information? YOu are one of those people that will trash a site and steer clear of the information on the site. Wouldn't your argument best be served if you discredited the information instead of trying to discredit the website? Just askin'
Because those sites clearly have their own agenda which is far removed from unbiased reporting of the facts or presenting balanced journalism which attempts to present both sides of the story. If you cannot see that then you need to double check your own motives in this discussion.
I am not saying Islam has a positive image in the world, because people like you will do everything in their power to trash it and the impressionable people who do not try to see things from more than one angle swallow it whole, eyes blinkered and mind closed. I am saying that all the associations with Islam and terrorism are really just a very few bad apples spoiling the bunch, in the narrow eyes of many in the western world. You can't paint millions of people with the same brush, as convenient as it must be for you to do so.
I am not saying Islam has a positive image in the world, because people like you will do everything in their power to trash it and the impressionable people who do not try to see things from more than one angle swallow it whole, eyes blinkered and mind closed. I am saying that all the associations with Islam and terrorism are really just a very few bad apples spoiling the bunch, in the narrow eyes of many in the western world. You can't paint millions of people with the same brush, as convenient as it must be for you to do so.
Those sites have an opinion yes, as they are allowed to...If you feel their opinion is WRONG, then post facts of your own to discredit theirs. But to say, they are wrong because they hate Islam without addressing the information they provide kinda makes you look like the one dodging. They are putting the information out there, you dismiss it and ignore it because you don't like their "agenda"? tough shit. Doesn't mean it isn't true. Address the information posted and argue against it if you can.Jaekus wrote:
Because those sites clearly have their own agenda which is far removed from unbiased reporting of the facts or presenting balanced journalism which attempts to present both sides of the story. If you cannot see that then you need to double check your own motives in this discussion.
I am not saying Islam has a positive image in the world, because people like you will do everything in their power to trash it and the impressionable people who do not try to see things from more than one angle swallow it whole, eyes blinkered and mind closed. I am saying that all the associations with Islam and terrorism are really just a very few bad apples spoiling the bunch, in the narrow eyes of many in the western world. You can't paint millions of people with the same brush, as convenient as it must be for you to do so.
People like me? lol ummm Jaekus....I am not the one blowing up women and children in the name of Islam. If you are concerned with Islam's image, then you need to take it up with the ISLAMIC extremists. I really don't have anything to do with their image.
Twisting things once more I see. When will you stop playing this tired game? I'm sure the shoe would be on the other foot if someone started flinging Michael Moore quotes and references around the place the back up their arguments. Or do you also feel such a person on the far opposite side of the fence has equal merit as to those on yours? I somehow suspect not in your eyes. Point is, how about trying to construct an argument using unbiased reporting, than biased? It's like going to a KKK site to argue about all the negatives of black people. I'm sure a lot of their info is based on actual events, just really fucking slanted and twisted by their bias.
Do you get this, how this bias in presenting facts just twists things? Somehow I think not.
You attempt to portray the entire Islamic culture based on the actions of very few (I've done the maths for you, of course you ignore this because it is win against you and you cannot handle that). Have a good life, bigot.
Do you get this, how this bias in presenting facts just twists things? Somehow I think not.
You attempt to portray the entire Islamic culture based on the actions of very few (I've done the maths for you, of course you ignore this because it is win against you and you cannot handle that). Have a good life, bigot.
before i came to d&st many many years ago i thought that people with the mentality of lowing were just a joke stereotype. i have yet to see the zealot commitment to bigotry and grand delusion anywhere else. it's like a unique product of the post 9/11 conservative american world. i genuinely think that jews in the west bank are more open-minded.
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wow this thread has gone wild.
anyway, i'm back, lowing come get some:
2. now you lost me - what does it have to do with anything they had before you "helped" them? ME had no means to get their oil. you helped them. now they do have oil. how much of it do you need as payment for your help? all of it? then what was the point?
4. the "extremists" take action in trying to prevent their home lands from being dominated by you. they are trying to preserve their culture and tradition from being overrun by something they view as intrusive and alien. yeah, they do some really fucked up shit, but you hammered them to the point of desperation and they've nothing to lose. some things cannot be simply bought with all the goodies you mentioned there - and as it can clearly be seen in those countries who did allow themselves to be consumed by this "global market" bullshit of yours, those awesome things are only going to be available to very small part of the population, the rest get shafted.
5. crap, you got me there, man. tsunami... oh, wait, there's really no way this thing could be used for information manipulation, huh? it's sensationalist material, it's only good for making noises and getting the ratings up so that when it comes to the real propaganda those who do that kinda thing would pay for the services of the most popular of the media. if somebody tried to really research the matter and see how many locals actually approved of hanging the corpses and burning them who do you think would pay for that kinda report? nobody would, and you know it. the only things that sells these days is sensational bullshit and "news" paid for by those interested in this kinda stuff.
6. do you really need "teachings" to understand that when you are attacked you need to fight back? i'd simply call it common sence and self preservation instincts. mind you, i don't approve of the stuff i'm told obl did, but blaming islam - an information manipulation tool which could be swang any way based on situation - for that is completely idiotic. you've got that "freedom and democracy"-thing for ideology in usa, man, and in its name so many innocent people are having the crap beaten out of them right now that all the terrorist attacks would seem child's play in comparison. should i now start calling that ideological shtick "violent and intolerant"?
anyway, i'm back, lowing come get some:
1. "ussr" stands as an example you asked for. you know, a developed society with unique culture, high standarts of living, high education levels, advanced technology, industry and science, good social and medical care, unmatched levels of social security and... nothing in the ways of what you call "freedom". there you go.lowing wrote:
1. not sure what kind of response "user" means, so point 1 is still on the table.Shahter wrote:
1. ussr.lowing wrote:
1. really? like what? a free people, free non violent change of govt. control every 2 and 4 years? high quality of life, long life? What other indicators might you be referring to. Would really help if you would stop telling I am wrong, and start supporting your arguments.
2. Again I ask, what actions? We gave them a way to develop the sought after natural resource in the history of the planet then we let them charge us for it and hold it hostage over us...What actions are you referring.
3. see 2
4. and the extremists have killed more innocent people while the west tries to build and re-build schools, power plants, water works and communications infrastructures in these war torn countries. Is there collateral damage, absolutely, but we have not set out to harm or kill any innocent people. You get no such policy from the extremists.
5. ummmm you do know there was video of those displayed bodies and celebrations right? What do you do for your information on events on the other side of the world? fly there and report it for yourself? Just because you do not like the report does not mean it isn't true.
6. Well he was quite good at it wasn't he? So good, the most powerful nation on earth has cowered to Islam for fear of what can be done inits name.
2. did you give them the ways to develop their resources for free? no? did they pay you back for the technology? no, scratch that, did you allow them to pay you back anyway? no? fuck off.
now, how exactly can their resources be held hostage against you?
do you have your own recourses? yes? why don't you start developing those and leave those people on the other side of the globe alone.
what actions? how about bombings? or assassinations of their leaders? how about continuous support for their enemies?
3. ...
4. oh, it's about numbers now. and intentions - you, aparrently, wanted to forcibly "elevate" them to your level. haven't you though that maybe they do not want to develop that way? or maybe they are not ready for that yet? who the fuck are you again to decide for other people?
5. i never said it wasn't true - there's simply no way for me to tell. and you know what i do when i don't know something but really interested? - i ask people who do know and who have no reason to lie to me. and that practially rules out any and all media.
6. yes, he was. and he said he did those horrible things in the name of islam. does that mean that islam itself is to blame?
2. ya lost me on that one as well, what exactly did the ME have to offer in payment BEFORE they had oil? Anyway for the rest of your response I refer you to OPEC.
4. No it isn't about numbers, it is about action. We take action in the building of the infrastructure that mentioned. The extremists take action in its destruction. Really? People of the ME don't want clean drinking water, an education, electricity, or communications? please tell me more about that
5. this is a bunch of complete bullshit, but I think you already know that. You mean you really don't know that a tsunami wiped out cities in Japan until you talked to someone that survived it?
6. He got his teachings from somewhere and I am pretty sure it wasn't wikipedia.
2. now you lost me - what does it have to do with anything they had before you "helped" them? ME had no means to get their oil. you helped them. now they do have oil. how much of it do you need as payment for your help? all of it? then what was the point?
4. the "extremists" take action in trying to prevent their home lands from being dominated by you. they are trying to preserve their culture and tradition from being overrun by something they view as intrusive and alien. yeah, they do some really fucked up shit, but you hammered them to the point of desperation and they've nothing to lose. some things cannot be simply bought with all the goodies you mentioned there - and as it can clearly be seen in those countries who did allow themselves to be consumed by this "global market" bullshit of yours, those awesome things are only going to be available to very small part of the population, the rest get shafted.
5. crap, you got me there, man. tsunami... oh, wait, there's really no way this thing could be used for information manipulation, huh? it's sensationalist material, it's only good for making noises and getting the ratings up so that when it comes to the real propaganda those who do that kinda thing would pay for the services of the most popular of the media. if somebody tried to really research the matter and see how many locals actually approved of hanging the corpses and burning them who do you think would pay for that kinda report? nobody would, and you know it. the only things that sells these days is sensational bullshit and "news" paid for by those interested in this kinda stuff.
6. do you really need "teachings" to understand that when you are attacked you need to fight back? i'd simply call it common sence and self preservation instincts. mind you, i don't approve of the stuff i'm told obl did, but blaming islam - an information manipulation tool which could be swang any way based on situation - for that is completely idiotic. you've got that "freedom and democracy"-thing for ideology in usa, man, and in its name so many innocent people are having the crap beaten out of them right now that all the terrorist attacks would seem child's play in comparison. should i now start calling that ideological shtick "violent and intolerant"?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
are you seriously calling the ussr a developed country when you had mass famines and shit tons of people living in awful conditions? can't you get a train like 15 minutes out of moscow and just be surrounded by tiny little villages full of people on the poverty line? doesn't sound like a developed country to me
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western propaganda clearly
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
my 2 friends that stopped in moscow for 2 days on their way to china sure must have been filling me with propaganda...
developed country my arse.
developed country my arse.
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yes.Uzique wrote:
are you seriously calling the ussr a developed country
a revolution, two wars, and horrible climate - and still all those awful conditions had been fixed in the end.when you had mass famines and shit tons of people living in awful conditions?
and i have been living here for 35 years. hello there.my 2 friends stopped in moscow for 2 days
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
http://www.amazon.com/Grapes-Wrath-20th … 0140186409Uzique wrote:
when you had mass famines and shit tons of people living in awful conditions?
Fuck Israel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap … isis-vodka
oh okay then. seems very developed.
oh dilbert you're so funny! comparing steinbeck's america to 21st century russia! what an inversion! and a literary reference, too!!
oh okay then. seems very developed.
oh dilbert you're so funny! comparing steinbeck's america to 21st century russia! what an inversion! and a literary reference, too!!
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you forgot one important thing - i was speaking about ussr, not what's left of it today.Uzique wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/23/russia-heartland-crisis-vodka
oh okay then. seems very developed.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
i'm not sure you can call a country successful if immediately after the government dissolves it all falls to pieces. house of cards?
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yeah everything was just so damn blissful in the USSR.Shahter wrote:
you forgot one important thing - i was speaking about ussr, not what's left of it today.Uzique wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/23/russia-heartland-crisis-vodka
oh okay then. seems very developed.
western propgandaUzique wrote:
i'm not sure you can call a country successful if immediately after the government dissolves it all falls to pieces. house of cards?