Shahter
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lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

ok you do realize that is "moderate" muslims that are pissed right? We are not talking about suicide bombers here.
yes. they are pissed because one of their faith has been assassinated and denied the proper burial. move along.
Ummm this board has gone to great lengths to emphasize OBL had nothing to do with Islam. Plenty of Christians are killed and no other Christians give so much a fuck about it that a nation is willing suppress free press and free speech out of fear of Christ reprisals. So what makes Islam so different?
obl had a lot to do with islam - he was an imam ffs. the fact that christians don't give a fuck about other christians being killed indicates only that the societies christianity parasitizes on operates in do not require that. if you removed your dick from me's ass and allowed them to develop their culture and progress on their own islam would eventually have to adapt to reflect that - just as christianity did in the past.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
lowing
Banned
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Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:


yes. they are pissed because one of their faith has been assassinated and denied the proper burial. move along.
Ummm this board has gone to great lengths to emphasize OBL had nothing to do with Islam. Plenty of Christians are killed and no other Christians give so much a fuck about it that a nation is willing suppress free press and free speech out of fear of Christ reprisals. So what makes Islam so different?
obl had a lot to do with islam - he was an imam ffs. the fact that christians don't give a fuck about other christians being killed indicates only that the societies christianity parasitizes on operates in do not require that. if you removed your dick from me's ass and allowed them to develop their culture and progress on their own islam would eventually have to adapt to reflect that - just as christianity did in the past.
Better watch it, it has been made very clear by the Bf2S brain trust that OBL was "nutter" and a "cunt" and had NOTHING to do with Islam. He did not act in the name of Islam and he was not representative of the Islam. Yet, somehow, Islam is upset about his treatment. Wonder why? ALso wonder why Muslims were not upset at the images of Americans hanging from a bridge in Itaq burnt to a crisp. 


That, "Islam needs time to develop" is a cop out and I think you know it. It should be easier for Islam, after all they have something we didn't. A road map to development.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6625|'Murka

So what exactly is the beef with UBL's burial treatment? It was presided over by a Muslim cleric, his body was ritually bathed IAW Koranic directives, his hair was oiled IAW Koranic directives, he was placed in a white muslin bag IAW Koranic directives, and he was buried (at sea) within a day of his death IAW Koranic directives.

Where's the problem again?
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lowing
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+1,662|6865|USA

FEOS wrote:

So what exactly is the beef with UBL's burial treatment? It was presided over by a Muslim cleric, his body was ritually bathed IAW Koranic directives, his hair was oiled IAW Koranic directives, he was placed in a white muslin bag IAW Koranic directives, and he was buried (at sea) within a day of his death IAW Koranic directives.

Where's the problem again?
gotta ask the Muslims, not me.... I was fine with turning him into chum and using him to feed the fishes. but there is no denying they are upset about his treatment, and that can only come for one reason, they respected him and valued his importance to Islam. If not, why give a shit?
Macbeth
Banned
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Awesome another debate about Islam.
ghettoperson
Member
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FEOS wrote:

So what exactly is the beef with UBL's burial treatment? It was presided over by a Muslim cleric, his body was ritually bathed IAW Koranic directives, his hair was oiled IAW Koranic directives, he was placed in a white muslin bag IAW Koranic directives, and he was buried (at sea) within a day of his death IAW Koranic directives.

Where's the problem again?
99% of Muslims by the sound of it are very appreciative of this, it's just some people that you'll never please. Mostly because they're a little annoyed that we killed Bin Laden.
Sturgeon
Member
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ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

So what exactly is the beef with UBL's burial treatment? It was presided over by a Muslim cleric, his body was ritually bathed IAW Koranic directives, his hair was oiled IAW Koranic directives, he was placed in a white muslin bag IAW Koranic directives, and he was buried (at sea) within a day of his death IAW Koranic directives.

Where's the problem again?
99% of Muslims by the sound of it are very appreciative of this, it's just some people that you'll never please. Mostly because they're a little annoyed that we killed Bin Laden.

lowing wrote:

No it is every Muslim. I don't have any evidence of this but I'll keep saying it anyway.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6989|Moscow, Russia

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ummm this board has gone to great lengths to emphasize OBL had nothing to do with Islam. Plenty of Christians are killed and no other Christians give so much a fuck about it that a nation is willing suppress free press and free speech out of fear of Christ reprisals. So what makes Islam so different?
obl had a lot to do with islam - he was an imam ffs. the fact that christians don't give a fuck about other christians being killed indicates only that the societies christianity parasitizes on operates in do not require that. if you removed your dick from me's ass and allowed them to develop their culture and progress on their own islam would eventually have to adapt to reflect that - just as christianity did in the past.
Better watch it, it has been made very clear by the Bf2S brain trust that OBL was "nutter" and a "cunt" and had NOTHING to do with Islam.
oh, c'mon, you know all too well i'm not with that "Bf2S brain trust" - after all i don't beleave in democracy, capitalism, freedom of speech and a lot of other things that, supposedly, were "proven right" long long ago.

He did not act in the name of Islam and he was not representative of the Islam.
well, he certainly wanted to be regarded as if he did, but, as i said, nodoby but the likes of you, man, would buy that shit.

Yet, somehow, Islam is upset about his treatment. Wonder why?
islam is not, can not, be upset about anything - people are for the reasons i already posted above.

ALso wonder why Muslims were not upset at the images of Americans hanging from a bridge in Itaq burnt to a crisp.
how many muslims did you ask about that?

That, "Islam needs time to develop" is a cop out and I think you know it. It should be easier for Islam, after all they have something we didn't. A road map to development.
you assume the only possible way of development is the one taken by the west, this is yet another thing that's been "proven right". i could give you countless arguments against, but i'm sure i'll be disregarded as "conspiracy theorist" and "evil commie" again. try to look at the matter from different angles and see it through the eyes of those people you so easily call "violent and malevolent" - who knows, maybe you'll see what i'm talking about.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Sturgeon wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

So what exactly is the beef with UBL's burial treatment? It was presided over by a Muslim cleric, his body was ritually bathed IAW Koranic directives, his hair was oiled IAW Koranic directives, he was placed in a white muslin bag IAW Koranic directives, and he was buried (at sea) within a day of his death IAW Koranic directives.

Where's the problem again?
99% of Muslims by the sound of it are very appreciative of this, it's just some people that you'll never please. Mostly because they're a little annoyed that we killed Bin Laden.

lowing wrote:

No it is every Muslim. I don't have any evidence of this but I'll keep saying it anyway.
I would really appreciate if you did not post shit and quote it to me.
Sturgeon
Member
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I was paraphrasing chief, you're quite adept at posting shit yourself, I'll leave you to it.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

obl had a lot to do with islam - he was an imam ffs. the fact that christians don't give a fuck about other christians being killed indicates only that the societies christianity parasitizes on operates in do not require that. if you removed your dick from me's ass and allowed them to develop their culture and progress on their own islam would eventually have to adapt to reflect that - just as christianity did in the past.
Better watch it, it has been made very clear by the Bf2S brain trust that OBL was "nutter" and a "cunt" and had NOTHING to do with Islam.
oh, c'mon, you know all too well i'm not with that "Bf2S brain trust" - after all i don't beleave in democracy, capitalism, freedom of speech and a lot of other things that, supposedly, were "proven right" long long ago.

He did not act in the name of Islam and he was not representative of the Islam.
well, he certainly wanted to be regarded as if he did, but, as i said, nodoby but the likes of you, man, would buy that shit.

Yet, somehow, Islam is upset about his treatment. Wonder why?
islam is not, can not, be upset about anything - people are for the reasons i already posted above.

ALso wonder why Muslims were not upset at the images of Americans hanging from a bridge in Itaq burnt to a crisp.
how many muslims did you ask about that?

That, "Islam needs time to develop" is a cop out and I think you know it. It should be easier for Islam, after all they have something we didn't. A road map to development.
you assume the only possible way of development is the one taken by the west, this is yet another thing that's been "proven right". i could give you countless arguments against, but i'm sure i'll be disregarded as "conspiracy theorist" and "evil commie" again. try to look at the matter from different angles and see it through the eyes of those people you so easily call "violent and malevolent" - who knows, maybe you'll see what i'm talking about.
you mean there is a different road other than freedom, that is much more desirable to travel? Do tell.

as for the rest, I am not going to address fragments of sentences. If you want to address my entire post then do so and I will respond.

Last edited by lowing (2011-05-06 04:55:03)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Sturgeon wrote:

I was paraphrasing chief, you're quite adept at posting shit yourself, I'll leave you to it.
no you were paraphrasing, 'chief", sentences are not paraphrased when you quote them. and you wrote that bullshit as if I actually said it.

I challenge you to address the points I actually argue...try that for once.

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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6989|Moscow, Russia

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:


Better watch it, it has been made very clear by the Bf2S brain trust that OBL was "nutter" and a "cunt" and had NOTHING to do with Islam.
oh, c'mon, you know all too well i'm not with that "Bf2S brain trust" - after all i don't beleave in democracy, capitalism, freedom of speech and a lot of other things that, supposedly, were "proven right" long long ago.

He did not act in the name of Islam and he was not representative of the Islam.
well, he certainly wanted to be regarded as if he did, but, as i said, nodoby but the likes of you, man, would buy that shit.

Yet, somehow, Islam is upset about his treatment. Wonder why?
islam is not, can not, be upset about anything - people are for the reasons i already posted above.

ALso wonder why Muslims were not upset at the images of Americans hanging from a bridge in Itaq burnt to a crisp.
how many muslims did you ask about that?

That, "Islam needs time to develop" is a cop out and I think you know it. It should be easier for Islam, after all they have something we didn't. A road map to development.
you assume the only possible way of development is the one taken by the west, this is yet another thing that's been "proven right". i could give you countless arguments against, but i'm sure i'll be disregarded as "conspiracy theorist" and "evil commie" again. try to look at the matter from different angles and see it through the eyes of those people you so easily call "violent and malevolent" - who knows, maybe you'll see what i'm talking about.
you mean there is a different road than freedom that is much more desirable to travel? Do tell.
define "freedom" then we'll talk.

as for the rest, I am not going to address fragments of sentences. If you want to address my entire post then do so and I will respond.
ah, i see. i addressed every little piece of your post, actually. you have nothing to say? k.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Macbeth wrote:

Awesome another debate about Islam.
were you really expecting a thread about the most hated MUSLIM terrorist in the world, the controversy that now surrounds him by Muslims, and have Islam NOT be a part of the discussion? Really?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Better watch it, it has been made very clear by the Bf2S brain trust that OBL was "nutter" and a "cunt" and had NOTHING to do with Islam.
oh, c'mon, you know all too well i'm not with that "Bf2S brain trust" - after all i don't beleave in democracy, capitalism, freedom of speech and a lot of other things that, supposedly, were "proven right" long long ago.

He did not act in the name of Islam and he was not representative of the Islam.
well, he certainly wanted to be regarded as if he did, but, as i said, nodoby but the likes of you, man, would buy that shit.

Yet, somehow, Islam is upset about his treatment. Wonder why?
islam is not, can not, be upset about anything - people are for the reasons i already posted above.

ALso wonder why Muslims were not upset at the images of Americans hanging from a bridge in Itaq burnt to a crisp.
how many muslims did you ask about that?


you assume the only possible way of development is the one taken by the west, this is yet another thing that's been "proven right". i could give you countless arguments against, but i'm sure i'll be disregarded as "conspiracy theorist" and "evil commie" again. try to look at the matter from different angles and see it through the eyes of those people you so easily call "violent and malevolent" - who knows, maybe you'll see what i'm talking about.
you mean there is a different road than freedom that is much more desirable to travel? Do tell.
define "freedom" then we'll talk.

as for the rest, I am not going to address fragments of sentences. If you want to address my entire post then do so and I will respond.
ah, i see. i addressed every little piece of your post, actually. you have nothing to say? k.
Well if you can not look at western society and an Islamic society and see the differences in freedom, then I can not help you.


Oh no, I will stand by everything I say, I will not however, dissect every sentence until the context of what was said is obscured, then try to argue it.  you address every "little piece", try addressing the post.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6989|Moscow, Russia

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

you mean there is a different road than freedom that is much more desirable to travel? Do tell.
define "freedom" then we'll talk.

as for the rest, I am not going to address fragments of sentences. If you want to address my entire post then do so and I will respond.
ah, i see. i addressed every little piece of your post, actually. you have nothing to say? k.
Well if you can not look at western society and an Islamic society and see the differences in freedom, then I can not help you.
you can't even tell me what freedom is, but you claim there's difference in it between some society and another? hmmm...

Oh no, I will stand by everything I say, I will not however, dissect every sentence until the context of what was said is obscured, then try to argue it.  you address every "little piece", try addressing the post.
but i did. your "entire post" is composed of nonsencial claims. sorry, man, but no matter how you combine those pieces, the result would still be noncensial - that i tried to demostrate. you've nothing to add? k

Last edited by Shahter (2011-05-06 05:15:09)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

you mean there is a different road than freedom that is much more desirable to travel? Do tell.
define "freedom" then we'll talk.


ah, i see. i addressed every little piece of your post, actually. you have nothing to say? k.
Well if you can not look at western society and an Islamic society and see the differences in freedom, then I can not help you.
you can't even tell me what freedom is, but you claim there's difference in it between some society and another? hmmm...

Oh no, I will stand by everything I say, I will not however, dissect every sentence until the context of what was said is obscured, then try to argue it.  you address every "little piece", try addressing the post.
but i did. you "entire post" composed of nonsencial claims. sorry, man, but no matter how you combine those pieces, the result would still be noncensial - that i tried to demostrate. you've nothing to add? k
Well lets see, since you need a road map. Free to express yourself, your opinions, your faith, your descent. Freedom to not be discriminated against by your govt. Need more?


Well, I think I made some valid points, and until you address them in the context  I wrote them, you are the one who is really not adding anything,  except smart ass condescending attitude
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6989|Moscow, Russia

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well if you can not look at western society and an Islamic society and see the differences in freedom, then I can not help you.
you can't even tell me what freedom is, but you claim there's difference in it between some society and another? hmmm...

Oh no, I will stand by everything I say, I will not however, dissect every sentence until the context of what was said is obscured, then try to argue it.  you address every "little piece", try addressing the post.
but i did. you "entire post" composed of nonsencial claims. sorry, man, but no matter how you combine those pieces, the result would still be noncensial - that i tried to demostrate. you've nothing to add? k
Well lets see, since you need a road map. Free to express yourself, your opinions, your faith, your descent. Freedom to not be discriminated against by your govt. Need more?
how about freedom not to have manipulators, attention whores and outright idiots expressing themselves, their opinions, their faith, their descent and other shit around me? how about freedom not to be exploited and abused by those who accumulated move wealth that me? need more?

Well, I think I made some valid points
no, you didn't. i absolutely shot down all your "points" and, as i said, no context could be constructed from that stuff.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+563|6928|Purplicious Wisconsin

Shahter wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So the bigger the crime the less the law applies?

I still say Madoff should have been waterboarded.
i recently finished reading "The Dead Zone", and there's this question:

if you could go back in time and had an opportunity to kill hitler, would you do it?
Hmmmm, war against Russia/USSR.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well if you can not look at western society and an Islamic society and see the differences in freedom, then I can not help you.
you can't even tell me what freedom is, but you claim there's difference in it between some society and another? hmmm...


but i did. you "entire post" composed of nonsencial claims. sorry, man, but no matter how you combine those pieces, the result would still be noncensial - that i tried to demostrate. you've nothing to add? k
Well lets see, since you need a road map. Free to express yourself, your opinions, your faith, your descent. Freedom to not be discriminated against by your govt. Need more?
how about freedom not to have manipulators, attention whores and outright idiots expressing themselves, their opinions, their faith, their descent and other shit around me? how about freedom not to be exploited and abused by those who accumulated move wealth that me? need more?

Well, I think I made some valid points
no, you didn't. i absolutely shot down all your "points" and, as i said, no context could be constructed from that stuff.
Since when does freedom include not  being surrounded by idiots? To them, yo may very well be the idiot. If you want that freedom, you are free to move to a deserted island.


Look, I have made points that our nation is cowering to Islamic fears. You did not address that. I made points that Muslims are pissed about the treatment of Bin Laden and no such outrage was expressed about charred bodies hanging from a bridge. I made points about how if Bin Laden was NOT Islamic in action and not representative of Islam, why are Muslims so concerned about it. Now, knock yourself out and try to do so with getting into the definition of "is".
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5799

lowing wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Awesome another debate about Islam.
were you really expecting a thread about the most hated MUSLIM terrorist in the world, the controversy that now surrounds him by Muslims, and have Islam NOT be a part of the discussion? Really?
Did you notice there wasn't a single mention of Islam until you arrived?
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6989|Moscow, Russia

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well lets see, since you need a road map. Free to express yourself, your opinions, your faith, your descent. Freedom to not be discriminated against by your govt. Need more?
how about freedom not to have manipulators, attention whores and outright idiots expressing themselves, their opinions, their faith, their descent and other shit around me? how about freedom not to be exploited and abused by those who accumulated move wealth that me? need more?

Well, I think I made some valid points
no, you didn't. i absolutely shot down all your "points" and, as i said, no context could be constructed from that stuff.
Since when does freedom include not  being surrounded by idiots? To them, yo may very well be the idiot. If you want that freedom, you are free to move to a deserted island.
right there, man, you have just pointed the most important part - freedom is subjective. you can't really compare its levels between societies, because the very notion of it differs from one to another.

Look, I have made points that our nation is cowering to Islamic fears. You did not address that.
why should i address a simple statement of a fact? yes, you are cowering to those fears and you deserve it for your actions against muslims. if you want my opinion on the matter, you should stop worrying about the consequences of you actions and start revising the actions themselves.

I made points that Muslims are pissed about the treatment of Bin Laden and no such outrage was expressed about charred bodies hanging from a bridge.
not expressed or not reported? how many muslims did you talk to about this matter?

I made points about how if Bin Laden was NOT Islamic in action and not representative of Islam, why are Muslims so concerned about it.
but he was NOT representative of islam - nobody is. he was NOT islamic in action - there no such thing as "islamic action".

Now, knock yourself out and try to do so with getting into the definition of "is".
as a russian saying goes, don't blame the mirror if your face is ugly.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,813|6320|eXtreme to the maX

Shahter wrote:

i'm not a muslim but i'm pissed all the same (though i'm not sure if you actually killed him). i understand why you'd do it, mind you, but the way it's been handled is simply outrageous.
How many innocent people have been killed in the last ten years in failed attempts to kill Bin Laden and other AQ leaders?
Is that right?

Even in the final action against Bin Laden, they could have got the intel wrong, again, and mown down people entirely unconnected - as has happened so often.
Fuck Israel
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6989|Moscow, Russia

Dilbert_X wrote:

Shahter wrote:

i'm not a muslim but i'm pissed all the same (though i'm not sure if you actually killed him). i understand why you'd do it, mind you, but the way it's been handled is simply outrageous.
How many innocent people have been killed in the last ten years in failed attempts to kill Bin Laden and other AQ leaders?
Is that right?

Even in the final action against Bin Laden, they could have got the intel wrong, again, and mown down people entirely unconnected - as has happened so often.
there's no resolution to matters like this which would satisfy everybody, and you know it. what i was talking about is public spectacle that obama & co are making out of this affair - that is what i find outrageous.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6865|USA

Macbeth wrote:

lowing wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Awesome another debate about Islam.
were you really expecting a thread about the most hated MUSLIM terrorist in the world, the controversy that now surrounds him by Muslims, and have Islam NOT be a part of the discussion? Really?
Did you notice there wasn't a single mention of Islam until you arrived?
Did you notice the depth of the conversations prior to someone asking real questions about the topic?  My questions are fair.

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