Isn't it kind of odd how the physics and the events leading up to 911 point in the same direction?Flecco wrote:
The movie I posted covers the Able Danger program quite extesively, along with some other things. Mentions PNAC a little, goes over 9/11 (that is where Able Danger comes in...). Has some good points and raises some questions. It focuses less on the physics and the events of 9/11 and more on the events leading up to the day in question.
LOL you need to lighten up.......Taking humorous sarcasm to the extreme is a perfect way to make your point. obviously, that stick up your ass was distracting enough for you to miss that.908741059871059781 wrote:
You have obviously not done any type of research on this topic...and thats exactly what the government counted on.Wraith wrote:
It's all true. All of the conspiracy theories.
There's a crashed alien spaceship at Rosewell. (They managed to get all this way and then crashed. How silly of them. But it was nice of them to do it in a remote area so that the government could cover it up, wasn't it?)
And other aliens have travelled millions or billions of miles to insert tubes up the arses of lonely people (mainly American for some reason - why not Asians? or Arabians? or Europeans? or Australians? etc Surely they would want a representative sample. Even a first year maths student knows that).
And Elvis is still alive. The body found on his toilet (and autopsied) was a fake. Elvis was an alien who went home. (Incidentaly, the "alien autopsy" was actually the autopsy of Elvis' biomechanical transport device left behind on his toilet when he went back to Blargon 7)
And there was a second gunman behind the grassy knoll (and the second gunman was JFK himself - watch Red Dwarf for details)
And the Illuminati / Masons / [insert generic secret society of your choice] rule the world. (But they're doing a piss poor job of it. If the whole thing is run by one group who have everyones best interest at heart, why the fuck aren't more people happy?)
And the US government has developed anti-gravity, warp drive, cloaking devices etc but are keeping them secret to use against other countries (which leads me to ask why they haven't been used in Iraq?)
And power companies have developed an energy source which is non-polluting, renewable and free, but are holding it back so they don't lose their profits (except that if it was free, couldn't they supply it at the same price as gas/electricity, and make much more profit as they don't have to pay for crap like deep sea oil rigs and drilling stations in the Arctic?)
And the Da Vinci Code is not fiction, it's all fact, but presented as fiction so that Dan Brown doesn't get assassinated by the Popes personal hitmen "God's Wrath" (Except, doesn't God have access to lightening bolts, plagues, angels of death etc)
And Stonehenge was an ancient alien spaceship landing field (they can build ships to take them across lightyears, but their landing field is a bunch of big stones - yeah right )
And crop circles are aliens trying to communicate with us (if it takes a full field of corn to say hello, imagine one of their politicians making a speech!)
And 9/11 was staged.
The point I'm trying to make is that most (if not all) conspiracy theories have glaring gaps and inconsistencies which just make no sense whatsoever if examined with just a little logic and/or common sense. There are strange things in the world which are difficult to explain, but my opinion is that that just means we don't know everything yet.
The world is a strange enough place as it is. Don't go trying to make it seem any stranger.
With hope for your sanity and mine, Wraith
If you had (start by reading the 911 report,) then you would know that the "glaring gaps and incosistencies" are 100 fold more prevelant in the governments explination of what happened than (most) conspiracy theories.
Obviously you have lunatics than have unfounded and completely irrational "theories" (delusions.) Its funny how the only scenarios of the events that you mentioned are the most extreme and incorrect versions out there.
Anyways I'm not knocking your opinion, but find some facts before you start comparing this to Elvis being alive. Maybe you just don't want to know.
love it!!Wraith wrote:
It's all true. All of the conspiracy theories.
There's a crashed alien spaceship at Rosewell. (They managed to get all this way and then crashed. How silly of them. But it was nice of them to do it in a remote area so that the government could cover it up, wasn't it?)
And other aliens have travelled millions or billions of miles to insert tubes up the arses of lonely people (mainly American for some reason - why not Asians? or Arabians? or Europeans? or Australians? etc Surely they would want a representative sample. Even a first year maths student knows that).
And Elvis is still alive. The body found on his toilet (and autopsied) was a fake. Elvis was an alien who went home. (Incidentaly, the "alien autopsy" was actually the autopsy of Elvis' biomechanical transport device left behind on his toilet when he went back to Blargon 7)
And there was a second gunman behind the grassy knoll (and the second gunman was JFK himself - watch Red Dwarf for details)
And the Illuminati / Masons / [insert generic secret society of your choice] rule the world. (But they're doing a piss poor job of it. If the whole thing is run by one group who have everyones best interest at heart, why the fuck aren't more people happy?)
And the US government has developed anti-gravity, warp drive, cloaking devices etc but are keeping them secret to use against other countries (which leads me to ask why they haven't been used in Iraq?)
And power companies have developed an energy source which is non-polluting, renewable and free, but are holding it back so they don't lose their profits (except that if it was free, couldn't they supply it at the same price as gas/electricity, and make much more profit as they don't have to pay for crap like deep sea oil rigs and drilling stations in the Arctic?)
And the Da Vinci Code is not fiction, it's all fact, but presented as fiction so that Dan Brown doesn't get assassinated by the Popes personal hitmen "God's Wrath" (Except, doesn't God have access to lightening bolts, plagues, angels of death etc)
And Stonehenge was an ancient alien spaceship landing field (they can build ships to take them across lightyears, but their landing field is a bunch of big stones - yeah right )
And crop circles are aliens trying to communicate with us (if it takes a full field of corn to say hello, imagine one of their politicians making a speech!)
And 9/11 was staged.
The point I'm trying to make is that most (if not all) conspiracy theories have glaring gaps and inconsistencies which just make no sense whatsoever if examined with just a little logic and/or common sense. There are strange things in the world which are difficult to explain, but my opinion is that that just means we don't know everything yet.
The world is a strange enough place as it is. Don't go trying to make it seem any stranger.
With hope for your sanity and mine, Wraith
Okay to the twats who negative karma'd me and called me a moron, and said show one credible news source on this, well duh, why can't a single credible news source provide a single explanation for the points I listed? Why do they filter everything and are pro-Bush? Because none of the mainstream media is a "credible news source", jackasses. If they were, wouldn't they show at least one picture of a plane hitting the pentagon? Hmm? All they have is a few frames from one weak-ass camera... Blow me bushies, go stick your head back in the sand...
Watched that. Lost interest at about the same time it started complaining about miscounted votes. Do people in the US honestly think that Democrats are free of guilt in those regards? The deep, forboding propaganda soundtrack that began to play after the first bit of music was indistinguishable from that of a campaign commercial. I don't think I could sit through an hour of that rubbish.Flecco wrote:
Everybody's gotta learn sometime 1.0
If nobody has posted this before it also raises some questions...
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-14 11:50:48)
Please refer to this site http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/pentagon__daten.htm (german). There is the following picture:HaywoodJablowme wrote:
Where is the debris from a jet, where is the huge-ass hole that a jet would make, where are the hundreds of camera angles that would show proof of a jet hitting the pentagon?
This is of the nose wheel of the Boeing 757 airliner that crashed into the building.
This photo of another 757 is from www.airliners.net :
Note the 2 wheels are the same.
Evidence enough?
Mcminty.
Compared to the mountains of evidence presented against? No. I don't necessarily think the attacks *have* been lied about (at least, not to the degree suggested), but there is some very convincing evidence.
I am trying to watch.. because someone brought up "Able Danger", and I have heard snippets about it, but nothing too in depth. I just know that was an actual operation that was never allowed to get off the ground. I am currently looking for more data on the subject. Please post so I don't have to sit through another anti W movie.
If you are going to have a conspiracy, odds are you re trying to convince people who don't share your views. Don't slam the veyr same people you are trying to get to listen to you.
Edited: This video is nothing if not funny. Rep's started a riot.... lol. This is actually quite amusing.
Aw fek... they are using V for Vendetta movie clips... it's gets worse by the minute.
And now the music from the sopranos.... this is classic.
If you are going to have a conspiracy, odds are you re trying to convince people who don't share your views. Don't slam the veyr same people you are trying to get to listen to you.
Edited: This video is nothing if not funny. Rep's started a riot.... lol. This is actually quite amusing.
Aw fek... they are using V for Vendetta movie clips... it's gets worse by the minute.
And now the music from the sopranos.... this is classic.
Last edited by Erkut.hv (2006-05-15 07:15:27)
Fuck you. My only comment about this video, that's totally bullshit, I take this personally.
No, it's not. The wheels are not the same. Look at them. One wheel with obviously a smaller diameter/width ratio than a nose wheel of a 757. And all the lame pics of a burning hole with a few small scraps of metal. Tell me smart guy, where are the massive Pratt & Whitneys that are like 15 feet in diameter, made mostly of titanium? That shit doesn't just vaporize on impact...mcminty wrote:
Please refer to this site http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/pentagon__daten.htm (german). There is the following picture:HaywoodJablowme wrote:
Where is the debris from a jet, where is the huge-ass hole that a jet would make, where are the hundreds of camera angles that would show proof of a jet hitting the pentagon?
http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/Boeing7 … ack001.jpg
This is of the nose wheel of the Boeing 757 airliner that crashed into the building.
This photo of another 757 is from www.airliners.net :
http://photos.airliners.net/photos/phot … 687906.jpg
Note the 2 wheels are the same.
Evidence enough?
Mcminty.
Seriously, look at those pictures at the bottom, it shows a hole about 6 rooms wide, that could have been made from the fuselage of the plane, but the wings surely would have created some damage to the building on either side of it. I don't see any damage from 2 bigass wings. Sorry
In some of those documentaries they contacted specialists from pratt & whitney asking them about that rotor like 3 feet in diameter that some guy carries off the scene in on shot, and they said that wasn't any part of a P&W engine that they had ever seen. Also in some other shots, there's like 8 guys carrying off a cylindrical piece of wreckage under a tarp. What's that all about?
My main beef is that there must be a HUNDRED different camera angles of a plane, if there really was one, and all it would take is one shot to prove it, so why can't they? BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY 757 AT THE PENTAGON.
Last edited by HaywoodJablowme (2006-05-15 08:38:30)
A passenger jet DID INDEED hit the pentagon. I believe in conspiracy here, but why would they shoot a missle at it when they could just use a real plane, and real people.HaywoodJablowme wrote:
No, it's not. The wheels are not the same. Look at them. One wheel with obviously a smaller diameter/width ratio than a nose wheel of a 757. And all the lame pics of a burning hole with a few small scraps of metal. Tell me smart guy, where are the massive Pratt & Whitneys that are like 15 feet in diameter, made mostly of titanium? That shit doesn't just vaporize on impact...mcminty wrote:
Please refer to this site http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/pentagon__daten.htm (german). There is the following picture:HaywoodJablowme wrote:
Where is the debris from a jet, where is the huge-ass hole that a jet would make, where are the hundreds of camera angles that would show proof of a jet hitting the pentagon?
http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/Boeing7 … ack001.jpg
This is of the nose wheel of the Boeing 757 airliner that crashed into the building.
This photo of another 757 is from www.airliners.net :
http://photos.airliners.net/photos/phot … 687906.jpg
Note the 2 wheels are the same.
Evidence enough?
Mcminty.
Seriously, look at those pictures at the bottom, it shows a hole about 6 rooms wide, that could have been made from the fuselage of the plane, but the wings surely would have created some damage to the building on either side of it. I don't see any damage from 2 bigass wings. Sorry
In some of those documentaries they contacted specialists from pratt & whitney asking them about that rotor like 3 feet in diameter that some guy carries off the scene in on shot, and they said that wasn't any part of a P&W engine that they had ever seen. Also in some other shots, there's like 8 guys carrying off a cylindrical piece of wreckage under a tarp. What's that all about?
My main beef is that there must be a HUNDRED different camera angles of a plane, if there really was one, and all it would take is one shot to prove it, so why can't they? BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY 757 AT THE PENTAGON.
Its all of the crazy bullshit theories out there that discredit the conspiracy theories based on factual evidence.
Heres a great link on this aspect http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
Last edited by 908741059871059781 (2006-05-15 16:29:36)
The last time I checked this was a "debate and serious talk" board. This is a topic I take seriously and believe that others should as well. I have a great sense of humor but this thread isn't the place for me to show it. I stand behind my previous statement.lowing wrote:
LOL you need to lighten up.......Taking humorous sarcasm to the extreme is a perfect way to make your point. obviously, that stick up your ass was distracting enough for you to miss that.908741059871059781 wrote:
You have obviously not done any type of research on this topic...and thats exactly what the government counted on.Wraith wrote:
It's all true. All of the conspiracy theories.
There's a crashed alien spaceship at Rosewell. (They managed to get all this way and then crashed. How silly of them. But it was nice of them to do it in a remote area so that the government could cover it up, wasn't it?)
And other aliens have travelled millions or billions of miles to insert tubes up the arses of lonely people (mainly American for some reason - why not Asians? or Arabians? or Europeans? or Australians? etc Surely they would want a representative sample. Even a first year maths student knows that).
And Elvis is still alive. The body found on his toilet (and autopsied) was a fake. Elvis was an alien who went home. (Incidentaly, the "alien autopsy" was actually the autopsy of Elvis' biomechanical transport device left behind on his toilet when he went back to Blargon 7)
And there was a second gunman behind the grassy knoll (and the second gunman was JFK himself - watch Red Dwarf for details)
And the Illuminati / Masons / [insert generic secret society of your choice] rule the world. (But they're doing a piss poor job of it. If the whole thing is run by one group who have everyones best interest at heart, why the fuck aren't more people happy?)
And the US government has developed anti-gravity, warp drive, cloaking devices etc but are keeping them secret to use against other countries (which leads me to ask why they haven't been used in Iraq?)
And power companies have developed an energy source which is non-polluting, renewable and free, but are holding it back so they don't lose their profits (except that if it was free, couldn't they supply it at the same price as gas/electricity, and make much more profit as they don't have to pay for crap like deep sea oil rigs and drilling stations in the Arctic?)
And the Da Vinci Code is not fiction, it's all fact, but presented as fiction so that Dan Brown doesn't get assassinated by the Popes personal hitmen "God's Wrath" (Except, doesn't God have access to lightening bolts, plagues, angels of death etc)
And Stonehenge was an ancient alien spaceship landing field (they can build ships to take them across lightyears, but their landing field is a bunch of big stones - yeah right )
And crop circles are aliens trying to communicate with us (if it takes a full field of corn to say hello, imagine one of their politicians making a speech!)
And 9/11 was staged.
The point I'm trying to make is that most (if not all) conspiracy theories have glaring gaps and inconsistencies which just make no sense whatsoever if examined with just a little logic and/or common sense. There are strange things in the world which are difficult to explain, but my opinion is that that just means we don't know everything yet.
The world is a strange enough place as it is. Don't go trying to make it seem any stranger.
With hope for your sanity and mine, Wraith
If you had (start by reading the 911 report,) then you would know that the "glaring gaps and incosistencies" are 100 fold more prevelant in the governments explination of what happened than (most) conspiracy theories.
Obviously you have lunatics than have unfounded and completely irrational "theories" (delusions.) Its funny how the only scenarios of the events that you mentioned are the most extreme and incorrect versions out there.
Anyways I'm not knocking your opinion, but find some facts before you start comparing this to Elvis being alive. Maybe you just don't want to know.
Buddy, if this forum is what you take seriously.......you are in deeeeeeeeep shit with the realities of life. lol908741059871059781 wrote:
The last time I checked this was a "debate and serious talk" board. This is a topic I take seriously and believe that others should as well. I have a great sense of humor but this thread isn't the place for me to show it. I stand behind my previous statement.lowing wrote:
LOL you need to lighten up.......Taking humorous sarcasm to the extreme is a perfect way to make your point. obviously, that stick up your ass was distracting enough for you to miss that.908741059871059781 wrote:
You have obviously not done any type of research on this topic...and thats exactly what the government counted on.
If you had (start by reading the 911 report,) then you would know that the "glaring gaps and incosistencies" are 100 fold more prevelant in the governments explination of what happened than (most) conspiracy theories.
Obviously you have lunatics than have unfounded and completely irrational "theories" (delusions.) Its funny how the only scenarios of the events that you mentioned are the most extreme and incorrect versions out there.
Anyways I'm not knocking your opinion, but find some facts before you start comparing this to Elvis being alive. Maybe you just don't want to know.
Well then maybe one of you super genious's can tell us all what happened to the flight and the people and the airplane that ( if it didn't crash in to the pentagon ) must have landed somewhere else. Or did space aliens beamed them all up?Bubbalo wrote:
Compared to the mountains of evidence presented against? No. I don't necessarily think the attacks *have* been lied about (at least, not to the degree suggested), but there is some very convincing evidence.
The fact is, lowing, that you can't explain where they went either. The evidence and the mind-numbingly Obvious cover-up just gives us more reason to question and not just believe what the government and media has shown. There's enough evidence here to push this "conspiracy theory" far and past any inkling that it equates to things like Roswell and Elvis.
And in general, there's a reason that this is the Debate and Serious Talk section of the site. If you will not be mature enough to respect that, then I request you stop posting here and head off to the non-serious threads.
And in general, there's a reason that this is the Debate and Serious Talk section of the site. If you will not be mature enough to respect that, then I request you stop posting here and head off to the non-serious threads.
almost died when reading this.stryyker wrote:
your retarded right?
Thankyou for that link. It has many of the photos on the site I referenced, but they are larger in resolution.908741059871059781 wrote:
A passenger jet DID INDEED hit the pentagon. I believe in conspiracy here, but why would they shoot a missle at it when they could just use a real plane, and real people.HaywoodJablowme wrote:
No, it's not. The wheels are not the same. Look at them. One wheel with obviously a smaller diameter/width ratio than a nose wheel of a 757. And all the lame pics of a burning hole with a few small scraps of metal. Tell me smart guy, where are the massive Pratt & Whitneys that are like 15 feet in diameter, made mostly of titanium? That shit doesn't just vaporize on impact...
Seriously, look at those pictures at the bottom, it shows a hole about 6 rooms wide, that could have been made from the fuselage of the plane, but the wings surely would have created some damage to the building on either side of it. I don't see any damage from 2 bigass wings. Sorry
In some of those documentaries they contacted specialists from pratt & whitney asking them about that rotor like 3 feet in diameter that some guy carries off the scene in on shot, and they said that wasn't any part of a P&W engine that they had ever seen. Also in some other shots, there's like 8 guys carrying off a cylindrical piece of wreckage under a tarp. What's that all about?
My main beef is that there must be a HUNDRED different camera angles of a plane, if there really was one, and all it would take is one shot to prove it, so why can't they? BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY 757 AT THE PENTAGON.
Its all of the crazy bullshit theories out there that discredit the conspiracy theories based on factual evidence.
Heres a great link on this aspect http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
In quoting the website, for those who are afreaid it may shake their firm disbelief a missile hit the pentagon, you can see that:
Also, the site has more detailed pictures of wheels from both the wreckage and an airliner that is currently flying. They matchhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1 wrote:
Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
Rims found in building match those of a 757
Small turbine engine outside is an APU
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage
Also, If you can't accept the physics involved when the wings were snapped off, leaving the fuselage to make the hole, then I just guess there is no hope in getting through to you.
Mcminty.
This thread should be deleted as well as delete all the F**ken retards that believe in it. Can you really that retarded????
Sorry Marconius, I ask a legitmate question. You have "answers" to everything except the obvious....What happened to the flight and the people on the flight?Marconius wrote:
The fact is, lowing, that you can't explain where they went either. The evidence and the mind-numbingly Obvious cover-up just gives us more reason to question and not just believe what the government and media has shown. There's enough evidence here to push this "conspiracy theory" far and past any inkling that it equates to things like Roswell and Elvis.
And in general, there's a reason that this is the Debate and Serious Talk section of the site. If you will not be mature enough to respect that, then I request you stop posting here and head off to the non-serious threads.
The fact really is, I don't have to explain anything, I am not the one that claims the pentagon wasn't hit by that airplane. I am asking all of you conspericy theory nut cases the question of what "really" happened to the flight, if it didn't wind up in the pentagon. Since you can't even DREAM up an answer to that question, then the "theory" that it hit the pentagon is the best one isn't it? I know you hate that.
Also Marconius,
Instead of more of your personal attacks when you are stumped, why don't you just either try answering the question posed to you, or admit you can't?
Instead of more of your personal attacks when you are stumped, why don't you just either try answering the question posed to you, or admit you can't?
Can YOU really that retarded?Superslim wrote:
This thread should be deleted as well as delete all the F**ken retards that believe in it. Can you really that retarded????
I'm sorry. It's people like this that make me hate everyone.
Yeah, shining examples there.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Bust Bush
join 911 truth bristol, eminem, mos def and immortal technique in a video dialog that is set to change the course of history
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … mp;pl=true
That video nearly gave me epilepsy.
How DARE Bush review the report for information that could harm American interests if it fell into the wrong hands....No doubt Clinton would have let the Chinese review it before he let it go public.Marconius wrote:
The 9/11 commission report was also heavily edited prior to its release...something that a lot of people tend to skip over. The Bush Administration seized control of the report before it went public and checked it "line by line to find out if there's anything in there which could harm American interests in the area of intelligence."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington … port_x.htm
http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflas … s_911.html
Assuming it was a drone/missile: The passengers were gassed during flight, then the real flight landed at a military base and the personal items were bagged and tagged for return to the relatives. I mean, if you can plan the mass murder of several thousand people, you're hardly going to lose sleep over a few more. Why not use the real plane? Well, you don't want to miss, and the Pentagon is a much smaller target than the WTC.lowing wrote:
Sorry Marconius, I ask a legitmate question. You have "answers" to everything except the obvious....What happened to the flight and the people on the flight?
The fact really is, I don't have to explain anything, I am not the one that claims the pentagon wasn't hit by that airplane. I am asking all of you conspericy theory nut cases the question of what "really" happened to the flight, if it didn't wind up in the pentagon. Since you can't even DREAM up an answer to that question, then the "theory" that it hit the pentagon is the best one isn't it? I know you hate that.
Don't buy that gassing theory one bit. Just no.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Assuming it was a drone/missile: The passengers were gassed during flight, then the real flight landed at a military base and the personal items were bagged and tagged for return to the relatives. I mean, if you can plan the mass murder of several thousand people, you're hardly going to lose sleep over a few more. Why not use the real plane? Well, you don't want to miss, and the Pentagon is a much smaller target than the WTC.lowing wrote:
Sorry Marconius, I ask a legitmate question. You have "answers" to everything except the obvious....What happened to the flight and the people on the flight?
The fact really is, I don't have to explain anything, I am not the one that claims the pentagon wasn't hit by that airplane. I am asking all of you conspericy theory nut cases the question of what "really" happened to the flight, if it didn't wind up in the pentagon. Since you can't even DREAM up an answer to that question, then the "theory" that it hit the pentagon is the best one isn't it? I know you hate that.
And you state drone? If I can assume you mean a UAV (unmanned ariel vehicle, ie. drone), explain how something the size of a Global Hawk will cause so much damage to the pentagon. Damage on the scale an airliner would do.
To all those that believe in the conspiracy:
What did the American government gain from the murder of over 4000 innocent American citizens?
Honestly, with no bullshit, can someone give me a straight answer?