Which is why Democracy is inherently evil. It's nothing more than mob rule and subject to the fickle short term desires of the masses.Dilbert_X wrote:
Democracy is simple.
You elect a govt, they pass the laws as they see fit.
If you're not happy then work towards a different govt or try another country.
Your 'hidden hand' is the democratic voice of the people, not an evil govt over which you have no say.
So learn to manipulate the masses.JohnG@lt wrote:
Which is why Democracy is inherently evil. It's nothing more than mob rule and subject to the fickle short term desires of the masses.Dilbert_X wrote:
Democracy is simple.
You elect a govt, they pass the laws as they see fit.
If you're not happy then work towards a different govt or try another country.
Your 'hidden hand' is the democratic voice of the people, not an evil govt over which you have no say.
They can't be on the road, it's still considered Driving Under the Influence. Nice little warning labels on the prescriptions and everything.Uzique wrote:
people can be on the road and/or at work "whacked out" on legal or prescribed drugs so that's a non-point re: 'the war on drugs'.
legalisation and the proper regulation is key.
i'm not seeing any referendums on the drug-issue and yet statistics suggest 7/10 adults in the UK are or have been 'criminals', as categorized by their recreational or experimental drug use. a frightening majority of people have and do habitually use, say, cocaine... despite it being a highly-classified substance with substantial legal punishments. most of the officials within the law-making system use drugs, too. it's full of irony, hypocrisy and inherent paradoxes.Dilbert_X wrote:
Democracy is simple.
You elect a govt, they pass the laws as they see fit.
If you're not happy then work towards a different govt or try another country.
Your 'hidden hand' is the democratic voice of the people, not an evil govt over which you have no say.
Thats democracy for you, doesn't mean these people aren't criminals, they are.Uzique wrote:
i'm not seeing any referendums on the drug-issue and yet statistics suggest 7/10 adults in the UK are or have been 'criminals', as categorized by their recreational or experimental drug use. a frightening majority of people have and do habitually use, say, cocaine... despite it being a highly-classified substance with substantial legal punishments. most of the officials within the law-making system use drugs, too. it's full of irony, hypocrisy and inherent paradoxes.Dilbert_X wrote:
Democracy is simple.
You elect a govt, they pass the laws as they see fit.
If you're not happy then work towards a different govt or try another country.
Your 'hidden hand' is the democratic voice of the people, not an evil govt over which you have no say.
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They are, you have elections, you can write to your MP, you can visit your MP, you can attend rallies/demonstrations.Uzique wrote:
all things deemed as legal/illegal, right/wrong by elected superiors should be open to public scrutiny and consideration.
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ya zeek its funny there was a story on BBC posted on here a couple months ago about how many women in the US find obama sexy or something like that. gee what hard hitting news...never saw you get sick over that, eh?ATG wrote:
You know, I sometimes watch a few minutes of British politics on C-span, it's pretty much the same feeling.Uzique wrote:
i love tuning into american news channels whenever i can. when on holiday, for instance, they normally get Fox News and CNN for the 'american tourists' abroad, sorta thing. the quality of news broadcasting and the levels of journalistic professionalism in the american industry is absolutely DISGUSTING. it's like watching a bunch of children acting like adults in costume. it's so so fucking surreal. it makes me shiver to think that tens of millions of hicks are sat in their armchairs with a bowl of peanuts being spoonfed that crap and letting it inform their world view, in any way whatsoever. even the vulgar, garish presentation of topics is nauseating. the 'hot topics' and 'debates' they get into literally make me want to vomit at times... the absolute banality, the inane topics they choose, the prime-time drama air they give to it. things like this 'n-word' farce just blow up a non-issue into some great country-arresting issue that people are forced to engage with, just because it's being shoved in their face all day by these huge news companies with their tacky graphics-displays and hollywood-anchors. it's fucked up. fuck american news.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Stopped watching after they showed what someone said about it on twitter.
Fuck the news. I don't see why you have to watch the news to get the news. I haven't sat in front of a television for news in I don't know how long. I don't see why you need anything more than text. I don't see how you can make a legitimate case for anything but text doing something more than dumbing down the news, particularly in context of our current media situation.
When I say "only text" I of course refer to something you would find in a newspaper or in an internet article, which could include relevant pictures, charts, graphs, etc.
edit: to the next video, LOLOLOL Moses
because i didn't see it. i don't watch mainstream news agencies like a hawk, every day. i'd find that newspaper story just as bullshit as any other. my point about US news though is as much about the tv/newspaper 'presentation' as the actual content: it's presented and delivered as if it's a prime-time drama channel, rather than a factual delivery of information. it's just all so blown out of proportion and vulgarized.11 Bravo wrote:
ya zeek its funny there was a story on BBC posted on here a couple months ago about how many women in the US find obama sexy or something like that. gee what hard hitting news...never saw you get sick over that, eh?ATG wrote:
You know, I sometimes watch a few minutes of British politics on C-span, it's pretty much the same feeling.Uzique wrote:
i love tuning into american news channels whenever i can. when on holiday, for instance, they normally get Fox News and CNN for the 'american tourists' abroad, sorta thing. the quality of news broadcasting and the levels of journalistic professionalism in the american industry is absolutely DISGUSTING. it's like watching a bunch of children acting like adults in costume. it's so so fucking surreal. it makes me shiver to think that tens of millions of hicks are sat in their armchairs with a bowl of peanuts being spoonfed that crap and letting it inform their world view, in any way whatsoever. even the vulgar, garish presentation of topics is nauseating. the 'hot topics' and 'debates' they get into literally make me want to vomit at times... the absolute banality, the inane topics they choose, the prime-time drama air they give to it. things like this 'n-word' farce just blow up a non-issue into some great country-arresting issue that people are forced to engage with, just because it's being shoved in their face all day by these huge news companies with their tacky graphics-displays and hollywood-anchors. it's fucked up. fuck american news.
Sounds like the rationalization of an addict to me. Whatever floats your boat man. I come from a family of addicts and I've seen first hand the destruction that the drugs you just listed has wrought. But hey, you didn't have any lofty goals for your life anyway so what the hell, enjoy yourself.Uzique wrote:
because i didn't see it. i don't watch mainstream news agencies like a hawk, every day. i'd find that newspaper story just as bullshit as any other. my point about US news though is as much about the tv/newspaper 'presentation' as the actual content: it's presented and delivered as if it's a prime-time drama channel, rather than a factual delivery of information. it's just all so blown out of proportion and vulgarized.11 Bravo wrote:
ya zeek its funny there was a story on BBC posted on here a couple months ago about how many women in the US find obama sexy or something like that. gee what hard hitting news...never saw you get sick over that, eh?ATG wrote:
You know, I sometimes watch a few minutes of British politics on C-span, it's pretty much the same feeling.
@JG: I find recreational experimenting with drugs to be an interesting intellectual journey. it's fascinating how differently 'reality' and perception and other ontological notions get stretched and changed by simply altering the chemical levels of your brain. certain drugs help you to better understand the world, to better understand and interact with other people-- and most crucially, to better understand your own self, your ego and your self conciliation. the other half of the time, though, it's just simply the fact that a lot of drugs achieve a greater buzz than alcohol. alcohol has SO many 'cons' as well as the well known 'pros' and the 'buzz' overall just isn't that great. the morning after hangover, the financial cost of 'getting drunk' and the general drunken belligerence and anti-social behaviour is just a big no-no for me. taking some speed or cocaine or MDMA gets you in a much happier, more elated mood, and doesn't involve any of this 'twisted' ness or 'loss of self control' that you talk about. you're more alert and you're more social-- the adverse to being sluggish and lacking inhibitions like you do when you are drunk. i am much more in control and i am much more social, furthermore, on coke compared to alcohol. it's a straight pro/con thing like that, really...
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Talk to me in ten years. We'll see.Uzique wrote:
so because your family perhaps has some genetic or social predisposition to drug-addiction, that means everyone in the world is getting hooked and throwing their lives away? no. you're supposed to be an intelligent guy, JG, so stop sounding like an idiot. do you have any idea how many people use MDMA every single weekend? how many straight, high-performing, extremely successful lawyers use cocaine weekly to unwind? they're not collecting food stamps and living in shelters...
sorry about your family and all, but that means fuck all to me and i'm in complete control of what im doing. so are the other 99%.
Was I passing judgement? I just posted my anecdotal evidence and simply said 'watch out'. I'm not a moralizer and I certainly don't think it's the governments responsibility to tell people how they should live their lives. You of all people should be aware that there is a very fine line between recreational use and addiction if you've been in rehab three times...KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
hey john i went through rehab 3 separate times and i'm not a fuckup like some of your family, so while anecdotal tales are great and all they are by no means the standard and really you are no judge for personal responsibility.
