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Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

My view on American politics since ~2008.

Obama: "We need Change. We need to work together to create a better America!"
American People: "WOOO!! Awesome! come back in 3 years with everything solved. By the way you're not allowed to increases taxes, cut military spending, cut welfare programs or generally do anything that would help the country get out of its enormous debt."
Obama: "But... what am I supposed to do now then?"
American People: "We don't know just do something, while we're not on the subject, even though you're the president and everything, we're not sure you're American"
Obama: "Is that really our biggest problem at the moment?"
American People: "RACIST!!! RACIST!!! COMMUNIST!!!"

*flamesuit*
You're a pro at irony.
Jaekus
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UnkleRukus wrote:

War Man wrote:

Say, where is that post of Haibai's burnzz on your sig

Anyway, Trump is winning my vote. A president who isn't afraid to drop the F-Bomb is good.

China, "Time to pay the money you borrowed from us, America"
President Trump, "Fuck you, we are not paying you back"
Whenever I feel you couldn't get any dumber, you say shit like this.
Ty
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13rin wrote:

Ty wrote:

Wait, Obama's Austrian now?

Of course... it's so simple! It all makes sense now!
Euro response.... You guys really don't get US politics.
After more than five years here I thought it would be pretty clear that I'm not "Euro". If you mean 'non-American' then say it. Anyway it was a joke.

Hey I know you've got a new favourite term with "straw man" but you should maybe look up what that actually means before you come across as more of an idiot.
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Ty wrote:

13rin wrote:

Ty wrote:

Wait, Obama's Austrian now?

Of course... it's so simple! It all makes sense now!
Euro response.... You guys really don't get US politics.
After more than five years here I thought it would be pretty clear that I'm not "Euro". If you mean 'non-American' then say it. Anyway it was a joke.

Hey I know you've got a new favourite term with "straw man" but you should maybe look up what that actually means before you come across as more of an idiot.
lol ty a euro. i think we can mistaken you for welsh for the whole sheep thing
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lowing
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Kmar wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmar wrote:


Yes there is a literal difference. In the political arena she was a loser.

  Nobody outside of AK gave a crap about Palin until McCain slipped her on his ticket. Most Americans didn't even know who she was. She is the epitome of ridding coat tails. Palin is still, to this day, standing on McCain's shoulders.

You say that the media "has" to go after Palin's wardrobe because there is nothing else to do. Erm, no that is just in addition to material she provides on her own. You don't think that the media reports on Obama's eating habits because they have nothing else to write about do you?

She plays the victim of the media whilst simultaneously sticking her mug on any network that will oblige her. I don't buy the victim of the media thing when you willfully make it your livelihood. Sorry, that's just ridiculous.
She was a loser in the sense that she and McCain lost the election, she is not a loser however. You have a problem with her not being known before she was thrust in the national spot light? Well, who heard of Obama outside of illinois before he was thrust into the national spot light? There is no difference. Why would you hang your hat on that?

Palin is not a victim of the media, she does however take unfair shots at her personal life that have nothing to do with the national stage. Obama is questioned on shit that does concern the nation and by doing so you are a racist.

Palin has successes and failures, such is life. Obama has no failures because he has been propped up his entire life. This does not make him a winner it makes him a puppet
"Thrust" into the national spotlight? ..lol. Did someone hold a gun to her head? The bump McCain gave her was the best thing that could have ever happened to her financially, and she jumped at the opportunity. I had heard of Obama before his campaign. I remember the speech he gave at the DNC in 2004. That is what really propelled him forward. Also, I'm not hanging my hat on anything. You are the one claiming Palin didn't have any help making a name for herself when she clearly did. I'm more of a realist, and acknowledge that everyone at that level gets some sort of break at some point.

Not everyone that questions Obama is called a racist. However, making that statement is indeed a way for the accuser to play victim themselves. "Oh look I can't even make a point without being called a racist .. yada yada". That isn't to say that it doesn't happen sometimes, but it goes both ways.

Palin has for years and years claimed that the media has it in for her. Virtually all politicians on the national stage have their personal lives examined. The Obama's are no exception. However, if you're going to invite camera's into your home and make sweeping judgment calls on morality don't expect the spotlight to easily fade away. Obama is no more a puppet than Palin is. They both pander to the appropriate people.

I'm no big fan of Obama. But if you think I'm going to get in line behind Palin you're nuts.
Hardly anyone heard of Obama before he became a contender for the presidency, just like Palin so really there is no difference. The kind of help I was referring to was propping up Obama has gotten his entire life. He had no risk of failure. He is an affirmative action poster child.


and yes Kmar, questioning Obama is considered racism...Hell NOT voting for him was considered racist. If you are a "realist" time you started realizing that.

When the media is going to attack your personal life as a politician, yes the media has it in for in. They attacked her by calling her an unfit parent because her daughter got pregnant, they have attacked her down syndrome son etc... if that is not "having it in for you" I am not sure what is regarding media.

I am not in line behind Palin either, my focus is on Obama, and the double standard you all seem to share that Obama has the credentials and working background and is qualified to be president. When he has lied on his resume, and how mr. "transparency" is one of the most opaque presidents ever. I use as an example for one reason, same time, same place, different approach by you all and what you consider  qualifications.

A nobel prize for "hope" is right in line with everything else handed to Obama with actually having to work for it.
lowing
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Ty wrote:

lowing wrote:

If you condemn Palin  for having LITTLE experience in the private sector, then you must, by default, condemn Obama even more for having NO experience in the private sector. He graduated with a law degree, yet never practiced law and EXCELLED through the ranks to the office of president. His resume is claimed to be a fraud, ( i am not saying it, I have no idea if it is or isn't) by people who know him and work with him. He is known to have kept circles with felons and unscrupulous people.
Their are no such distractions with Palin, so the left must bash her wardrobe, her daughter, etc and claim anyone that bashes Obama is racist. Sorry, but the chips against Obama stack higher than Palin.

Oh and by the way "how it got to this" was I made a comment that Palin at least had a job before she became a national figure. Kinda set off a firestorm with posts trying to convince me that Obama had one as well. Very very defensive about their "transparent" superman
I don't condemn her, I'm saying that you're putting so much of your argument on the strength of her experience in the private sector when she amounted to little more than a fishwife. What's with the focus on the private sector anyway? What I've said twice and what you've yet to counter me on is that the office of President is a public office. Back to Palin; sure she was 'attacked' for her wardrobe - but that was less to do with Palin and more to do with the fact that she's a woman and the media loves to concentrate on irrellevent details like what she's wearing. The did it with Hillary's pant-suits as well. As to her daughter, I'd say that was an issue because of Palin's stance on abstinence and it was considered a contradiction when her daughter became an unwed teenage mother. Make sweeping judgements on the morality of others and you're going to find that it may bite you in the arse. The rest of the criticism was linked to the fact that through her own actions during the campaign she showed herself to be completely unsuitable for a role in top-level federal politics.

Now I would agree that the race card gets played by Obama's supporters but it's certainly not played as much as some think it is. I've got to be honest, the people I see using it most is the less-than-intelligent critics of Obama who when spouting some incorrect piece of trivia and being subsequently shut down immediately go on the defensive by claiming that "you're just attacking my criticism because you think I'm being racist".

Also, you keep saying Obama has been propped up his entire life. Aside from being selected by his party for candidacy, (which is part of the electoral process,) where else is this in play? Also, how does this differ from Palin being 'propped up' by the Republican party picking her for McCain's running mate? She certainly made a respectable reality TV career out of it for herself.
Why the focus on the private sector? Because it is there that the people earn a living and live their lives. A president that has never been there or worked for a living for anyone and considers the private sector as the enemy is not the most effective man for the job in a capitalist society.

You call her a fishwife, pretty much as an insult. I see her and her husband as working and making an honest living for themselves and their family just like the rest of the people the president is supposed to represent. Obama has not worked a day in his life, he has always been a leader, yet has no leadership background to build a foundation of leadership around. He has been given this presidency, like every other position in his life, and has not work for or earned any of it.... Again. A nobel prize for "hope", is the perfect latest example of this.

Well when it started with, not voting for Obama is racist, you tell me where Obama critics have not been considered racist.

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I've worked in the private sector my entire adult life- I'm gonna be president.  and then lowing can be president...of what's left.
Ty
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lowing wrote:

[Why the focus on the private sector? Because it is there that the people earn a living and live their lives. A president that has never been there or worked for a living for anyone and considers the private sector as the enemy is not the most effective man for the job in a capitalist society.

You call her a fishwife, pretty much as an insult. I see her and her husband as working and making an honest living for themselves and their family just like the rest of the people the president is supposed to represent. Obama has not worked a day in his life, he has always been a leader, yet has no leadership background to build a foundation of leadership around. He has been given this presidency, like every other position in his life, and has not work for or earned any of it.... Again. A nobel prize for "hope", is the perfect latest example of this.

Well when it started with, not voting for Obama is racist, you tell me where Obama critics have not been considered racist.
Wait, what? Is this why you think Obama's never worked for a living? Because he worked predominantly in the public sector? So I suppose while Palin was a city councillor a mayor and a Governor she wasn't working a job either - these positions are in the public sector. The public sector is no less legitimate that the private sector, people work in them to earn their living, many make careers for themselves in the public sector. It's not volunteer work you know, it is actual employment. My father works in the public sector.

"Obama has not worked a day in his life"... Look I have no idea how you can back up this claim. I see no point arguing on this point with you because if this is in fact what you believe despite plenty of evidence to the contrary then it'll be no more than wasted words.

You say he's always been a leader but never had any leadership background. This is a massive contradiction on your part. It doesn't even make sense. How can he not have had a foundation of leadership if he has, as you say, always been a leader? That's the very definition of a foundation of leadership.

Now I can agree with you on one thing you wrote - the Nobel Peace Prize was considerably undeserved. No idea why he got that. Must've been a slow year. Still, what do you do when you're awarded a Nobel Prize, decline it?

Finally the race thing. Like I said it gets played a bit. To the extent of "You're racist if you don't vote for Obama"... Well I've never seen any evidence of that but this kind of crap does seem to be said by some idiots. It hardly reflects the opinion of the majority Obama supporters though, c'mon, that's like saying everyone who doesn't support him think he's a Muslim sleeper agent. You want an example, how about here? Bf2s has its Obama supporters, its Obama critics and those who try to stay neutral. I'm not around D+ST all the time but I can't recall anyone playing the "if you don't support Obama you're racist" card short of jesting about it.
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13rin wrote:

and when I scan it... It doesn't have shit loads of layers.
Haha...
lowing
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Ty wrote:

lowing wrote:

[Why the focus on the private sector? Because it is there that the people earn a living and live their lives. A president that has never been there or worked for a living for anyone and considers the private sector as the enemy is not the most effective man for the job in a capitalist society.

You call her a fishwife, pretty much as an insult. I see her and her husband as working and making an honest living for themselves and their family just like the rest of the people the president is supposed to represent. Obama has not worked a day in his life, he has always been a leader, yet has no leadership background to build a foundation of leadership around. He has been given this presidency, like every other position in his life, and has not work for or earned any of it.... Again. A nobel prize for "hope", is the perfect latest example of this.

Well when it started with, not voting for Obama is racist, you tell me where Obama critics have not been considered racist.
Wait, what? Is this why you think Obama's never worked for a living? Because he worked predominantly in the public sector? So I suppose while Palin was a city councillor a mayor and a Governor she wasn't working a job either - these positions are in the public sector. The public sector is no less legitimate that the private sector, people work in them to earn their living, many make careers for themselves in the public sector. It's not volunteer work you know, it is actual employment. My father works in the public sector.

"Obama has not worked a day in his life"... Look I have no idea how you can back up this claim. I see no point arguing on this point with you because if this is in fact what you believe despite plenty of evidence to the contrary then it'll be no more than wasted words.

You say he's always been a leader but never had any leadership background. This is a massive contradiction on your part. It doesn't even make sense. How can he not have had a foundation of leadership if he has, as you say, always been a leader? That's the very definition of a foundation of leadership.

Now I can agree with you on one thing you wrote - the Nobel Peace Prize was considerably undeserved. No idea why he got that. Must've been a slow year. Still, what do you do when you're awarded a Nobel Prize, decline it?

Finally the race thing. Like I said it gets played a bit. To the extent of "You're racist if you don't vote for Obama"... Well I've never seen any evidence of that but this kind of crap does seem to be said by some idiots. It hardly reflects the opinion of the majority Obama supporters though, c'mon, that's like saying everyone who doesn't support him think he's a Muslim sleeper agent. You want an example, how about here? Bf2s has its Obama supporters, its Obama critics and those who try to stay neutral. I'm not around D+ST all the time but I can't recall anyone playing the "if you don't support Obama you're racist" card short of jesting about it.
1. I said, Obama thinks the private sector is the enemy. Not good for the president of a capitalist country. I said, he has never earned anything he has gotten. how do you become a teacher of law, when you have never been a lawyer? H,e has not worked for anything that has been given to him INCLUDING a nobel prize. Palin's roots are more down to earth with the rest of our society as part of the working class, which Obama has never been. Also while we are at it, how is it working for the public sector is just as legit as working in the private sector, unless it is me, and then of course it is welfare? You all in the BF2S brain trust really need to come up with constant on this issue.

2. What jobs has Obama applied for? What was his background and practical experience that made him qualified for anything?

3. You can be in a leadership roll, without being a leader Ty, ever have a shitty boss? or heard of one? Being in a leadership roll without practical experience at being a leader, does not make you a leader. It merely means you have risen to the level of your incompetence.

4. yes......especially since getting one for nothing kinda dilutes the meaning of the prize.

5. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-tod … ure-racist

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/olbermann-as … as-racist/

so again, on what issue, please name JUST ONE, where a criticism of Obama was not countered with accusations of racism?
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No one here is accusing you of racism so stop victimizing yourself

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lowing
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Shocking wrote:

No one here is accusing you of racism so stop victimizing yourself
What is it with your obsession with making every discussion about me? Go back and read what has been posted. This is about Obama.


Anyway since you broach the subject, I can probably name more people that have accused me of racism in this forum than haven't. Even so, that hardly means I am "victimizing myself."
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lowing wrote:

Palin's roots are more down to earth with the rest of our society as part of the working class, which Obama has never been.
lol.
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someone here really loves basking in the center of attention and then acts as though he is annoyed.  a lot like palin.
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ok i know i dont pay attention to politics or this other stupid shit but what is the deal with "barry"

why do you call him that?
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That was his original name. He changed his name so as to make it cooler.
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wat?

well fuck-n-a

going to city hall and monday and submitting a name change....

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War Man wrote:

That was his original name. He changed his name so as to make it cooler.
yeah, and added 'Hussien' after the Gulf War started to troll America

his name's always been Barack, he went by 'Barry' in school, and started smoking newports, so he could be cool . . .
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He changed his pronunciation of his first name or something like that.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
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lowing
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Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

Palin's roots are more down to earth with the rest of our society as part of the working class, which Obama has never been.
lol.
other than "lol" would care to elaborate on how what I said is wrong?
Reciprocity
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lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

Palin's roots are more down to earth with the rest of our society as part of the working class, which Obama has never been.
lol.
other than "lol" would care to elaborate on how what I said is wrong?
it's just funny that conservatives are back to wanting their president to be some kind of drinking buddy.  Or in Palin's case, some kind of conservative male's sexual object.  She was a news reader?  blowjob-giving ballast on a fishing boat?  mayor of a tiny shithole meth town?  Governor of the biggest welfare state in the union, who fucking quit?  And she's eminently qualified to be president?
lowing
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Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:


lol.
other than "lol" would care to elaborate on how what I said is wrong?
it's just funny that conservatives are back to wanting their president to be some kind of drinking buddy.  Or in Palin's case, some kind of conservative male's sexual object.  She was a news reader?  blowjob-giving ballast on a fishing boat?  mayor of a tiny shithole meth town?  Governor of the biggest welfare state in the union, who fucking quit?  And she's eminently qualified to be president?
I don't want a "drinking buddy". I want a leader that actually believes in the constitution, I want a leader that recognizes that great things happen when govt. gets the fuck out of the way and allows the people to innovate and create. How is it you can say that about Palin, and have none of the same criticisms for Obama? What has he done to earn any position he has been placed in? Palin has no controversies like falsified resumes, felon friends, or shady backstage deals. The biggest things the left has been able to criticize is her wardrobe and her kids.
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yep, we have nothing left to criticize Palin about . . .

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