Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6821|Long Island, New York
City council isn't considered politics? That's news to me. She went straight from her myriad of low end colleges to being a sportscaster doing some help with her husband's commercial fishing to city council. Yeah, sounds much more qualified than a Harvard graduate who became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, taught as an adjunct professor at UC Law School and was a practicing lawyer too.

There was a 7 year gap between his graduation and him joining the state senate... the hell do you think he did, twiddle his thumbs the entire time?
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5520|Cleveland, Ohio
black lol.  he is just as much white as he is black.
lowing
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+1,662|6934|USA

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


But, you've been given the birth certificate...
took 2 years to produce it, and now there are questions as to the legitimacy of it. Things like "African" instead of "negro" as would have been used in 1961. Not my questions, but they are out there.
Did Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990? I'm not saying he did, but why doesn't he come out and defend these accusations? Not my questions, but they are out there.
Not a comparison......The obama birthplace has been a question from the begining and it his ignoring it, only fanned the flames. Along with everythibg else he has gone to great lengths to keep secret
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5542|foggy bottom

11 Bravo wrote:

black lol.  he is just as much white as he is black.
any bit of black means you are negroid
Tu Stultus Es
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6934|USA

Poseidon wrote:

City council isn't considered politics? That's news to me. She went straight from her myriad of low end colleges to being a sportscaster doing some help with her husband's commercial fishing to city council. Yeah, sounds much more qualified than a Harvard graduate who became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, taught as an adjunct professor at UC Law School and was a practicing lawyer too.

There was a 7 year gap between his graduation and him joining the state senate... the hell do you think he did, twiddle his thumbs the entire time?
you tell me, what did he do for that 7 year gap? Cuz it wasn't in the work force.

city council is entry level, a natural first step. I have no problem with it, apparnetly she took her private business experience there.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6282|...
You've got his birth certificate now. What, want him to do a Q&A session with the birthers? Send his original birth certificate to the tea party?

They'll just say it's all lies and forged again. Hooray for paranoia.
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6821|Long Island, New York
I guess being a lawyer isn't considered working to you.

And city council is still politics.

have no problem with it, apparnetly she took her private business experience there.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7057|Noizyland

I looked into a couple of those articles Lowing posted. How slanted can you get? While I can see some points in Obama's potential versus his  achievements, to say that Palin overachieved because of her mediocre academic years reminds me of my old primary school where mediocrity was celebrated from those who were mediocre while smarter kids, (which would you believe included myself in those days,) were not celebrated due to fears that it would upset the slower kids. There's a culture of it here in New Zealand, we call it "tall poppy syndrome" where anyone thought to be overachieving is cut down to size while mediocrity is celebrated. There is nothing amazing about Palin being a councillor of a small Alaskan town, bored housewives become councillors. Her mayorality, sure it's a decent acheivement but let's not get carried away here, Wasilla has a population of just under eight thousand people. That first article only identifies one accomplishment of Palin's mayorality - lowering taxes by 40% which seems to be the only measure of success nowadays - and identifies nothing of her so-called 'distinguished' time as Governor which I see as absolutely unastounding. The reason this article puts these up as significant accomplishments is because of how average Palin was in her formative years. Fuck, you can almost understand why America would elect a C student President with that logic.

On Obama - I don't doubt that he has embellished his career and his resume - he's a showman and he's good with words. He can word a phrase to sound far more grand on paper than it ever was in real life while still maintaining the truth. I do it myself with my current job, (I call myself a "media writer" and let people draw their own conclusions about what that actually entails.) This can be seen with the most blatant example "Professor" Obama which I'm sure was more like lecturer Obama. The word 'professor' evokes images of a true scholar, a researcher, an expert in their field - what it means is just 'teacher'. In Europe and some other countries the word 'Professor' is a legal title bestowed on those who earn it. Not so in the US where professor describes anyone teaching at college levels regardless of rank. Again it seems dishonest because of people's own perceptions of what the word means but Professor Obama is entirely accurate.

Obama, I'm sure, is arrogant, I'm sure he has streaks of narcisism, he is not above game-playing and as 13rin seems to be focussing on for some reason, he's not above the occasional derp moment. He's a politician for Christ's sake, how is this not expected? A number of people have pointed out the juvenile nature of people like Trump and even Obama in this whole birth certificate thing; politics is juvenile. It's all a bunch of game playing, rarely are events determined by policy with most of the focus being on absolute inconsequential fluff like this.
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11 Bravo
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+965|5520|Cleveland, Ohio
lol all this shit about obamas past.

lets just look at him now.  he is just an extension of bush (policy wise)(so far)
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6934|USA

Poseidon wrote:

I guess being a lawyer isn't considered working to you.

And city council is still politics.

have no problem with it, apparnetly she took her private business experience there.
it is only if you actually practiced law. lol What law firm did he work for?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6821|Long Island, New York

11 Bravo wrote:

lol all this shit about obamas past.

lets just look at him now.  he is just an extension of bush (policy wise)(so far)
Oh, I completely agree... there's plenty to note in regard to his policies. But if lowing's going to claim Palin was more qualified than Obama for some reason because she worked in commercial fishing, I'm gonna point out how fucking stupid that is.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6934|USA

Ty wrote:

I looked into a couple of those articles Lowing posted. How slanted can you get? While I can see some points in Obama's potential versus his  achievements, to say that Palin overachieved because of her mediocre academic years reminds me of my old primary school where mediocrity was celebrated from those who were mediocre while smarter kids, (which would you believe included myself in those days,) were not celebrated due to fears that it would upset the slower kids. There's a culture of it here in New Zealand, we call it "tall poppy syndrome" where anyone thought to be overachieving is cut down to size while mediocrity is celebrated. There is nothing amazing about Palin being a councillor of a small Alaskan town, bored housewives become councillors. Her mayorality, sure it's a decent acheivement but let's not get carried away here, Wasilla has a population of just under eight thousand people. That first article only identifies one accomplishment of Palin's mayorality - lowering taxes by 40% which seems to be the only measure of success nowadays - and identifies nothing of her so-called 'distinguished' time as Governor which I see as absolutely unastounding. The reason this article puts these up as significant accomplishments is because of how average Palin was in her formative years. Fuck, you can almost understand why America would elect a C student President with that logic.

On Obama - I don't doubt that he has embellished his career and his resume - he's a showman and he's good with words. He can word a phrase to sound far more grand on paper than it ever was in real life while still maintaining the truth. I do it myself with my current job, (I call myself a "media writer" and let people draw their own conclusions about what that actually entails.) This can be seen with the most blatant example "Professor" Obama which I'm sure was more like lecturer Obama. The word 'professor' evokes images of a true scholar, a researcher, an expert in their field - what it means is just 'teacher'. In Europe and some other countries the word 'Professor' is a legal title bestowed on those who earn it. Not so in the US where professor describes anyone teaching at college levels regardless of rank. Again it seems dishonest because of people's own perceptions of what the word means but Professor Obama is entirely accurate.

Obama, I'm sure, is arrogant, I'm sure he has streaks of narcisism, he is not above game-playing and as 13rin seems to be focussing on for some reason, he's not above the occasional derp moment. He's a politician for Christ's sake, how is this not expected? A number of people have pointed out the juvenile nature of people like Trump and even Obama in this whole birth certificate thing; politics is juvenile. It's all a bunch of game playing, rarely are events determined by policy with most of the focus being on absolute inconsequential fluff like this.
what the article was saying is Palin, an average citizen has done great things for being so average... Obama a well above average citizen who was handed this life, hasn't accomplished anything with it, all he has done is ride a wave with no credentials backing his popularity
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6884|132 and Bush

eleven bravo wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

black lol.  he is just as much white as he is black.
any bit of black means you are negroid
This is often true when talking about racism. Much of it is relegated on appearance. Discrimination requires only to look at a person.
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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6934|USA

Poseidon wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

lol all this shit about obamas past.

lets just look at him now.  he is just an extension of bush (policy wise)(so far)
Oh, I completely agree... there's plenty to note in regard to his policies. But if lowing's going to claim Palin was more qualified than Obama for some reason because she worked in commercial fishing, I'm gonna point out how fucking stupid that is.
Palins life progressed naturally through the ranks, she has been a business owner, she graduated with a degree in journalism, and worked in that field. and she started off in politics at the bottom... Obama graduated with a law degree and was never a lawyer. fucked around then got elected to the state senate where he did nothing except to get mixed up with felons. then gets elected to US senate for what less than a year when he hits the trail to become president.


Yes fact is, Palin has far more practical experience in the private sector and business as well as politics to be VICE president, than Obama does to be PRESIDENT.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6821|Long Island, New York
Commercial fishing = "practical experience in the private sector".

This has to be a joke.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6934|USA

Poseidon wrote:

Commercial fishing = "practical experience in the private sector".

This has to be a joke.
why? It is a business, and a successful one in the private sector. You know the private sector, what Obama referred to as the enemy. Not bad for the president of a capitalist society huh?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6821|Long Island, New York
I'm done, dude. Clearly Obama has done something to personally insult you, because I've never seen someone so desperate to paint someone as pathetic as Palin in a good light while painting someone who's accomplished more in one week than she will in her life time as someone who's "never had a job".

You're a good guy, but arguing with you is fucking pointless.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7057|Noizyland

lowing wrote:

what the article was saying is Palin, an average citizen has done great things for being so average... Obama a well above average citizen who was handed this life, hasn't accomplished anything with it, all he has done is ride a wave with no credentials backing his popularity
And what I'm saying is that Palin, an average citizen, has achieved average things for being so average while Obama, a well above average citizen, whether through his own merit or the merit of others is the President of the United fucking States. That article inflates her accomplishments in the same way it accuses Obama of embellishing his on the basis that she is completely unastounding. How is there any merit in this argument?

I love this myth that nothing can be handed to you and great men are those that achieve greatness on their own. Read Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers' to see the absolute bullshit in all of this.
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Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6432|'straya
I want to see Palin's birth certificate. I'm not convinced she is actually an American.
War Man
Australians are hermaphrodites.
+564|6997|Purplicious Wisconsin
How the fuck is a community organizer any better than fishing?

Last edited by War Man (2011-04-28 16:53:15)

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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7057|Noizyland

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

I want to see Palin's birth certificate. I'm not convinced she is actually an American.
Yeah, no chance of this, she hadn't even been outside the country until 2006.
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lowing
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+1,662|6934|USA

Poseidon wrote:

I'm done, dude. Clearly Obama has done something to personally insult you, because I've never seen someone so desperate to paint someone as pathetic as Palin in a good light while painting someone who's accomplished more in one week than she will in her life time as someone who's "never had a job".

You're a good guy, but arguing with you is fucking pointless.
you know what would really help? If you would stop trying to focus this on ME. This is not about me.. Well I see you have never denied Obama has never worked in the private sector ( longer than 6 months). I see you have never denied he never used his law degree to practice law.  I see you have never denied his over exaggerated if not out right lie of a resume. WHat has the man done other than bullshit his way to the white house?


I listed Palin's accomplishments, They include using here journalism degree in the field of journalism, a business owner, city council and mayor and governor. Obama has no such credentials in the practical sense.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6934|USA

Ty wrote:

lowing wrote:

what the article was saying is Palin, an average citizen has done great things for being so average... Obama a well above average citizen who was handed this life, hasn't accomplished anything with it, all he has done is ride a wave with no credentials backing his popularity
And what I'm saying is that Palin, an average citizen, has achieved average things for being so average while Obama, a well above average citizen, whether through his own merit or the merit of others is the President of the United fucking States. That article inflates her accomplishments in the same way it accuses Obama of embellishing his on the basis that she is completely unastounding. How is there any merit in this argument?

I love this myth that nothing can be handed to you and great men are those that achieve greatness on their own. Read Malcolm Gladwell's 'Outliers' to see the absolute bullshit in all of this.
governor of a state, and vice president candidate are not average accomplishments, she worked for it.. Obama has no credentials to justify being president of a capitalist society. I mean since he never worked for a living in his life to build any.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6934|USA
I am not saying Palin is a genius. I am saying the woman has a background in the private sector, as well as city council mayor and governor. SHe has practical experience to carry her rom one level to the next.

Obama graduated college, became a senator then a president...gimme a break.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6432|'straya
-"Palin is more qualified than Obama."
-"How is she more qualified?"
-"Because I value her qualifications more than Obama's"
-"But that doesn't explain how she is more qualified? Why is she more qualified?"
-"Because I said so"

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