Macbeth
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Since the economist is the least bias source I could find and they could explain it better than I could-
It claims to slash the federal budget deficit from a little over 9% of GDP this year to just 1.6% by 2021. By contrast, the Congressional Budget Office reckons the deficit would fall to just 4.9% under Barack Obama’s budget. He does this without, on net, raising taxes. By closing loopholes, he would pay for a cut in the top personal and corporate rates. So how does he shrink the deficit? Through an eye-watering assault on entitlement spending, in particular health care. Mr Obama’s health care reform would be ditched, Medicaid would be converted to block grants, and traditional Medicare would be replaced with vouchers.
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Mr Ryan notes that with the government now paying roughly half of all health care costs, more disciplined federal funding could force efficiency into the system. However, that still leaves rising costs due to technological progress, an aging population, and the shrinking coverage offered by private sector employers. Mr Ryan’s cuts will have real consequences. The proportion of Americans with no insurance, which was set to decline significantly under Mr Obama’s plan, will rise instead. Medicare beneficiaries, who now enjoy benefits on a par with those enrolled in private plans, would instead have to accept a far less generous range of services, or pay out of pocket for more.
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On taxes, Mr Ryan proposes chopping the top personal rate to 25%, from its current 35%, and from the 39.6% it is scheduled to reach if George Bush’s tax cuts expire as planned in 2013. He would also cut the top corporate rate to 25% from 35%, bringing America’s rate in line with international norms. Mr Ryan implies that his plan would be revenue neutral by eliminating loopholes and deductions.
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Of the plan's $6.2 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years, more than a quarter come from "other mandatory" categories, without specifying which: food stamps? Pell grants? Veterans' benefits? If the Congressional Budget Office scores this plan, it may well find the numbers don’t add up.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexch … et_deficit
I know it won't ever get implemented, and I'm not a fan of medicare and medicaid or one of those "TAX THE RICH!" people but what the hell is the point of slashing so much spending if you are going to blow a huge hole in tax revenue with a 25% tax rate for the group that makes up the tax base? The whole plan would make life financially harder for everyone except the wealthy who are going to make more money through their personal and corporate tax rates going down.

I don't want to tax the rich to death or want anything like European tax rates (or their social programs) but but we can't keep cutting taxes and hope to maintain the same standard of living. Cut some stuff out of the budget sure, but don't build upon the structural deficit.

So yeah, anyone here actually think his plan makes any sense?
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Macbeth wrote:

Since the economist is the least bias source I could find and they could explain it better than I could-
It claims to slash the federal budget deficit from a little over 9% of GDP this year to just 1.6% by 2021. By contrast, the Congressional Budget Office reckons the deficit would fall to just 4.9% under Barack Obama’s budget. He does this without, on net, raising taxes. By closing loopholes, he would pay for a cut in the top personal and corporate rates. So how does he shrink the deficit? Through an eye-watering assault on entitlement spending, in particular health care. Mr Obama’s health care reform would be ditched, Medicaid would be converted to block grants, and traditional Medicare would be replaced with vouchers.
...
Mr Ryan notes that with the government now paying roughly half of all health care costs, more disciplined federal funding could force efficiency into the system. However, that still leaves rising costs due to technological progress, an aging population, and the shrinking coverage offered by private sector employers. Mr Ryan’s cuts will have real consequences. The proportion of Americans with no insurance, which was set to decline significantly under Mr Obama’s plan, will rise instead. Medicare beneficiaries, who now enjoy benefits on a par with those enrolled in private plans, would instead have to accept a far less generous range of services, or pay out of pocket for more.
...
On taxes, Mr Ryan proposes chopping the top personal rate to 25%, from its current 35%, and from the 39.6% it is scheduled to reach if George Bush’s tax cuts expire as planned in 2013. He would also cut the top corporate rate to 25% from 35%, bringing America’s rate in line with international norms. Mr Ryan implies that his plan would be revenue neutral by eliminating loopholes and deductions.
...
Of the plan's $6.2 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years, more than a quarter come from "other mandatory" categories, without specifying which: food stamps? Pell grants? Veterans' benefits? If the Congressional Budget Office scores this plan, it may well find the numbers don’t add up.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexch … et_deficit
I know it won't ever get implemented, and I'm not a fan of medicare and medicaid or one of those "TAX THE RICH!" people but what the hell is the point of slashing so much spending if you are going to blow a huge hole in tax revenue with a 25% tax rate for the group that makes up the tax base? The whole plan would make life financially harder for everyone except the wealthy who are going to make more money through their personal and corporate tax rates going down.

I don't want to tax the rich to death or want anything like European tax rates (or their social programs) but but we can't keep cutting taxes and hope to maintain the same standard of living. Cut some stuff out of the budget sure, but don't build upon the structural deficit.

So yeah, anyone here actually think his plan makes any sense?
The tax cuts are being swapped with the closure of tax loopholes. [The loopholes shouldn't exist in the first place (and will certainly creep in again) but that's another topic.] I dunno, he's got access to a lot more stuff than I do but if it's revenue neutral then it's not a big deal. It just means the rich can spend less on their accountants.

The primary problem with his plan is that he (and the Republicans) are so averse to any form of tax increase. Now, I understand their rationale here; if you increase taxes the Democrats will simply find new ways to spend it and you end up right back where you started. The problem is, unless you are willing to slash the defense budget, and kick the crap out of Medicare and SS the government isn't taking in enough money to overcome the deficits. The big three alone put us in the hole every year all by themselves. Discretionary and other spending is just the cherry on top.

As hysterical as lefties have been over this budget plan, I think it is still far too politically correct and is far too Republican-populist. The problem is that his audience is full of idiots (America) and a real plan would have everyone screaming bloody murder instead of just the half that votes blue.

His plan does suck, but not for the reason you listed (And The Economist has a distinctly left of center tilt)
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1. The Republicans have to cut defense spending--significantly--in order to show they are serious about this. Just hitting entitlement programs won't do them any favors in selling it to the American people (the other side will just say "mean old right-wingers are killing old poor people"). Accordingly, the Executive branch is going to have to adjust the National Security Strategy to back off our security obligations worldwide.

2. Lowering tax rates while cutting loopholes actually increases the overall tax base by increasing the number of eligible taxpayers--you've eliminated opportunities to "get out" of paying taxes by killing the loopholes. However, they need to go further and find a way to get more of the wage earners in this country to pay some form of tax. Currently, less than half of those eligible to pay taxes actually pay them, and the bulk of tax receipts come from a small percentage of those who actually pay taxes. Increasing the overall tax base, even at a lower tax rate, will increase overall tax receipts. The argument that the "rich have to pay their share" is nonsensical--they are paying the vast majority of income taxes in this country. Those who argue that our tax code is not progressive do not know what they are talking about, tbf. Tax code overhaul needs to be an integral part of the discussion.
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Heck, the tax  code should be no more than 5-10 pages, instead of the monstrosity that it is now!
Ryan's plan has some serious problems, but at least someone is trying to make the numbers reasonably close to solvent.
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RAIMIUS wrote:

... at least someone is trying to make the numbers reasonably close to solvent.
Exactly.  The Democrats have no interest in balancing the budget in any shape or form.  Even with massive tax increases, they won't restrain their spending to necessary levels.

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