BF2S Forums Modern Islam is a blight on humanity

Uzique wrote:

i claimed it was one of the best posts because it does more than to just consider the last 10 years of history

oh, i guess that seems fair enough.

we can hardly look down our noses at them for that, as if its some religious trait... christian europe only overthrew monarchy and autocracy - what? - starting 150 years ago? the (successful) french and russian revolutions? dissolution of empire? up until then all of the wealth and capital in europe was pretty much distributed the same way. it is, statistically more-or-less, the same way in america, too... only you'll be less willing to admit it because of the pretenses of a capitalist democracy. it's nothing new at all. it causes problems and, in the worst cases, extremism in the lower-classes... but this is nothing endemic to islam, either. you get nutjobs in every deprived area, from every deprived circumstance. is it that islam is a genuine blight upon humanity, or that in this current world economic and geopolitical climate, the islamic are being squeezed and threatened more than any other... with a fringe minority reacting?

11 Bravo wrote:

Spark wrote:

vietnam has its own religion.

islam isn't everywhere marine...

so what?  third world he said. right?  so basically he is saying poor = violent...and that aint true.

You wouldn't classify Mexico as a violent place?

Uzique wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Uzique wrote:

are you seriously that obtuse? yes... historically... all that great wealth... so shared with the people... so much advancement and education...

and why dont they share it?

or maybe i should post a pic of dubai like some people do

not sharing wealth is exclusive to naughty mooslems now?

Nope, however, by and large oppression of the masses is, in Islamic nations.

Not allowing the people to better themselves or build their own wealth, is different from not sharing yours.

A point that seems to be indistinguishable by the socialists.

Last edited by lowing (2011-04-05 05:53:54)

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

This really.

When the West is threatened we see no problem pointing nukes, or using them, and fighting proxy wars all over the world just to 'remind' the other side we mean business.

We're surprised the East reacts much more mildly when we threaten them.

What has the west threatened the ME with really? The west discovered, R and D' ed and produced the most critical natural resource for the east to sell us. The west has GIVEN the ME all it needs to become viable and stable, economically. We did not steal it or pillage the ME for it. We developed it for them and are now buying it from them. Pretty good deal for the ME, and hardly a threatening gesture.

It's got nothing to do with oil really. It's all about cultural invasion. In the same way that you hate Islam because you're terrified of Sharia Law ending up on our shores, the Muslim clergy are terrified of losing their grip on the people and hatred for the West is a manifestation of their backlash. It ain't oil, it's Coca-Cola and Wranglers that they're afraid of.

The only difference between your conservatism and theirs is that they are in actual danger of the change taking place and thus are preaching violence. If there was a Muslim invasion here you bet your ass that Christian ministers would be preaching violence in response. Self preservation.

and if you think, THE CLERICS think, change that included economic vitality for the people, or an increase in freedom and quality of life is a bad thing and are willing to resort to violence to keep it from happening, then you have just figured out what the problem is with Islam in the eyes of those that can't stand the religion..

Any change that came to America for the better would not be met with violence.<------ I take this back. Plenty of change for the better in America has been met with violence. As it is, the change Islam wants to bring undoes 200 years of progression, of course it will be met with resistance.
However, in this day and age the world has grown up, and Islam has the benefit that the rest of us did not have. A model to go by.

Last edited by lowing (2011-04-05 06:00:17)

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

It's got nothing to do with oil really. It's all about cultural invasion. In the same way that you hate Islam because you're terrified of Sharia Law ending up on our shores, the Muslim clergy are terrified of losing their grip on the people and hatred for the West is a manifestation of their backlash. It ain't oil, it's Coca-Cola and Wranglers that they're afraid of.

The only difference between your conservatism and theirs is that they are in actual danger of the change taking place and thus are preaching violence. If there was a Muslim invasion here you bet your ass that Christian ministers would be preaching violence in response. Self preservation.

and if you think, THE CLERICS think, change that included economic vitality for the people, or an increase in freedom and quality of life is a bad thing and are willing to resort to violence to keep it from happening, then you have just figured out what the problem is with Islam in the eyes of those that can't stand the religion..

Any change that came to America for the better would not be met with violence.<------ I take this back. Plenty of change for the better in America has been met with violence. As it is, the change Islam wants to bring undoes 200 years of progression, of course it will be met with resistance.
However, in this day and age the world has grown up, and Islam has the benefit that the rest of us did not have. A model to go by.

But it's your opinion that it's better, not theirs.

Obviously it is not, revolution breaking out all over the ME would suggest that.

and again, if you think THEY think freedom vitality and an increase in quality of life is not beneficial for the masses, then you have just answered the question as why Islam is such a shit religion over all others today.

Last edited by lowing (2011-04-05 06:11:54)

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

and if you think, THE CLERICS think, change that included economic vitality for the people, or an increase in freedom and quality of life is a bad thing and are willing to resort to violence to keep it from happening, then you have just figured out what the problem is with Islam in the eyes of those that can't stand the religion..

Any change that came to America for the better would not be met with violence.<------ I take this back. Plenty of change for the better in America has been met with violence. As it is, the change Islam wants to bring undoes 200 years of progression, of course it will be met with resistance.
However, in this day and age the world has grown up, and Islam has the benefit that the rest of us did not have. A model to go by.

But it's your opinion that it's better, not theirs.

Obviously it is not, revolution breaking out all over the ME would suggest that.

and again, if you think THEY think freedom vitality and an increase in quality of life is not beneficial for the masses, then you have just answered the question as why Islam is such a shit religion over all others today.

dude, people revolt in the middle-east because they're tired of pro-western puppet dictators that do not represent THEIR views. they don't revolt in the middle-east because they're tired of islamic rule, or arab culture. what a moronic post. the very reason that the revolts in egypt happened is because they were ruled by a western puppet that gave them no (islamic) freedom.

Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

But it's your opinion that it's better, not theirs.

Obviously it is not, revolution breaking out all over the ME would suggest that.

and again, if you think THEY think freedom vitality and an increase in quality of life is not beneficial for the masses, then you have just answered the question as why Islam is such a shit religion over all others today.

dude, people revolt in the middle-east because they're tired of pro-western puppet dictators that do not represent THEIR views. they don't revolt in the middle-east because they're tired of islamic rule, or arab culture. what a moronic post. the very reason that the revolts in egypt happened is because they were ruled by a western puppet that gave them no (islamic) freedom.

"Islamic freedom?"  is that an oxymoron?

I thought they were revolting because they were sick of oppression. So they are actually revolting because they feel they are not oppressed enough? Well add that to the list of how fucked up Islam is.

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

But it's your opinion that it's better, not theirs.

Obviously it is not, revolution breaking out all over the ME would suggest that.

and again, if you think THEY think freedom vitality and an increase in quality of life is not beneficial for the masses, then you have just answered the question as why Islam is such a shit religion over all others today.

Not everyone has the same goals. Not everyone thinks of progress and success in the same way. Even in our own country we have people than shun electricity and running water. Who are you to judge what is best for others?

And as for the revolutions, who knows what the end result will be? More Irans? Western demos? Communism? No one knows at this point. There's certainly no guarantee that the people will be better off.

I agree, not everyone thinks of progression in the same way, however people that shun electricity and running water here in the states are not trying to blow up sky scrapers because we have it or criticize their actions ( cartoons)

Last edited by lowing (2011-04-05 06:41:57)

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope, however, by and large oppression of the masses is, in Islamic nations.

Not allowing the people to better themselves or build their own wealth, is different from not sharing yours.

A point that seems to be indistinguishable by the socialists.

this was europe 150 years ago

'history' is like the keyword in all discussions re: islam, cause it seems you stupid fucks skipped all your high-school classes

and you do realize this is not 150 years ago right? We are talking current events and reacting to current events with little regard to what happened 150 years ago.

this is why you are so frustratingly stupid. you have no sense of relativity. you are completely narrowminded and historically tunnel-visioned. what is 150 years in the history of a civilization? what is 150 years in the history of a religion? a blink of an eye. only the most violent and drastic of changes/upheavals occurs within the space of one century. you're acting like the christian west is all high-and-mighty and the greatest human civilization because we established a (pretense of) a democracy 150 years ago. when did america achieve a 'true' democracy, free from oppression? 40 years ago? great. have a cookie. you are angelic compared to those islamic devils!

and the main cause of oppression in egypt was a dictator that only kept power and was continued to allow his despotism because of western influence/relations. the egyptians were sick of a government that was selling out their real arab values and culture to western capitalism and influences that were against their way of life, and against their will. all the concentration of power in that arab state was in the hands of basically english/american politics. they're revolting for more oppression? no. they're revolting to establish their own democracy. islam has nothing to do with it: it's simply their culture. islamic democracy is no more of an oxymoron than christian democracy; the power structures are not inherently contradictory.

please read a history book. fucking hell. please. PLEASE.

lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Obviously it is not, revolution breaking out all over the ME would suggest that.

and again, if you think THEY think freedom vitality and an increase in quality of life is not beneficial for the masses, then you have just answered the question as why Islam is such a shit religion over all others today.

Not everyone has the same goals. Not everyone thinks of progress and success in the same way. Even in our own country we have people than shun electricity and running water. Who are you to judge what is best for others?

And as for the revolutions, who knows what the end result will be? More Irans? Western demos? Communism? No one knows at this point. There's certainly no guarantee that the people will be better off.

I agree, not everyone thinks of progression in the same way, however people that shun electricity and running water here in the states are not trying to blow up sky scrapers because we have it or criticize their actions ( cartoons)

nor are any of the moderate egyptian public.

tarring all of the arab world with one brush is real fun... how about i purport that every middle-class average american shares the view of the westboro baptist church? oh, i'm wrong now? ok. fuck me...

Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

this was europe 150 years ago

'history' is like the keyword in all discussions re: islam, cause it seems you stupid fucks skipped all your high-school classes

and you do realize this is not 150 years ago right? We are talking current events and reacting to current events with little regard to what happened 150 years ago.

this is why you are so frustratingly stupid. you have no sense of relativity. you are completely narrowminded and historically tunnel-visioned. what is 150 years in the history of a civilization? what is 150 years in the history of a religion? a blink of an eye. only the most violent and drastic of changes/upheavals occurs within the space of one century. you're acting like the christian west is all high-and-mighty and the greatest human civilization because we established a (pretense of) a democracy 150 years ago. when did america achieve a 'true' democracy, free from oppression? 40 years ago? great. have a cookie. you are angelic compared to those islamic devils!

and the main cause of oppression in egypt was a dictator that only kept power and was continued to allow his despotism because of western influence/relations. the egyptians were sick of a government that was selling out their real arab values and culture to western capitalism and influences that were against their way of life, and against their will. all the concentration of power in that arab state was in the hands of basically english/american politics. they're revolting for more oppression? no. they're revolting to establish their own democracy. islam has nothing to do with it: it's simply their culture. islamic democracy is no more of an oxymoron than christian democracy; the power structures are not inherently contradictory.

please read a history book. fucking hell. please. PLEASE.

Uzi, America or Europe 150 years ago is not the issue and I am quite certain has not even been mentioned as a link or concern by anyone except you. I am acting like mistakes have been made and corrected. Islam has the advantage to learn form those mistakes and not make the same ones. Instead, Islam purposely ignores the progress of civilization and continues to cling onto idea that were given up centuries ago. This is the problem with Islam.

Also you said "Islamic freedom", NOT Islamic democracy and Islamic freedom is an oxymoron.