Stubbee wrote:
Jay wrote:
Stubbee wrote:
but do you agree or disagree with the statement? how about you address that instead of slinging insults?
You're not even American so why would I argue with you about American history?
i guess only americans know about american history. by your logic you should not be posting in a thread about religion since you 'are not religious"
it you won't debate the point, i guess you concede the point then?
The fact that you took a super simplistic view on American history?
I dunno, why were references to god left out of the constitution and the declaration of independence? Could it be that they were simply legal documents and references to god were unnecessary? It sure as shit isn't because the founders of this nation were all atheists. We're talking about the Enlightenment, sure, but it was still a time where being a non-Christian meant disbarment from certain circles. I certainly don't see any Jewish names on the Declaration of Independence even though there were thousands of Jews living here at the time. Could it be that the circle of people that founded this nation didn't spare any thought to defining this nation as Christian because it didn't even occur to them? Their world was made up of white Protestant and Catholic males. Women were of secondary importance and blacks and people of foreign religions were barely thought of.
Does shit like God Bless America and the line in the Pledge of Allegiance bother me? A bit. But I recognize that I'm in the minority and making a big stink about it just brings about a conservative backlash that I really don't want to deal with. When I go to Catholic weddings I don't walk out of the fucking mass, I just sit there and stand up and sit down and go somewhere else in my head. What purpose would my walking out serve other than offending people needlessly?
Are evangelical Christians a nuisance? Yes. But so is an evangelical of any stripe. As a foreigner, lecturing me upon the principles with which my country was founded puts your right up there with Jehovas Witnesses and Born Again Christians on the annoyance meter.