Turquoise wrote:
...the same way one becomes president of Russia... money.Shahter wrote:
how does a clown become president on the usa?
and Biden is over there lecturing them on corruption.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 99756.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 99756.html
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aaand right on cue.Kmar wrote:
Gadhafi's forces recapture oil town of Ras Lanuf, forcing Libya rebels to flee to the east. If the NATO UN thinks that airstrikes a no fly zone is going to remove Gadhafi protect civilians, they might be in for a huge waste of time and money surprise.
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Chance of survival has everything to do with level of threat. If the chance of survival is higher, the level of threat is lower. The math is simple.Dilbert_X wrote:
No it doesn't, they are both at risk we just choose to take a risk with cheap infantry but not with expensive pilots and aircraft.FEOS wrote:
Everything, essentially.Dilbert_X wrote:
What does chance have to do with the argument?
You'll get no argument from any of the Americans here, I think.Dilbert_X wrote:
I have no clue what Obama is up to, deploying the military when there is no threat to the US, going to the UN to get a resolution to protect civilians and then deciding the objective is regime change.
I heard on the radio that of the first 200 cruise missiles fired 193 were fired by the US.
So much for no more foreign adventures eh?
The US interests involved in this "foreign adventure" are unclear, even after "the great orator" orated the other night. I'm sure a large part of the Congressional disapproval is partisan, but even some of his own party are unhappy with the lack of Congressional involvement in this.
I suppose the proof will be in the pudding. Some expensive and bloody pudding...
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gay. fucking gay.Kmar wrote:
aaand right on cue.Kmar wrote:
Gadhafi's forces recapture oil town of Ras Lanuf, forcing Libya rebels to flee to the east. If the NATO UN thinks that airstrikes a no fly zone is going to remove Gadhafi protect civilians, they might be in for a huge waste of time and money surprise.
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http://i.imgur.com/qaSzZ.png
Waiting for Russia and others to bolt on the UNR. As they should.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
With depleted uranium sprinkled all over.FEOS wrote:
I suppose the proof will be in the pudding. Some expensive and bloody pudding...
Yay.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
I don't think there's any DU munitions being used.
Even if there were...meh.
Even if there were...meh.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
the DU myth
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eleven bravo wrote:
the DU myth
wasnt DU used in iraq/afgh?
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Yes, to great effect against Iraqi armor (first gulf war.) Not sure about the current, didn't think Afghanistan had much armor to begin with, and Iraq I'm not too sure about their armor either.Shocking wrote:
wasnt DU used in iraq/afgh?
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
I could speak on my experience and during my deployment a year after the invasion we were not issues DU and neither was any other unit in Task Force Baghdad (50,000 troops). I know this because the unit they attached us with during the summer of 05 tried to have some kind of environmental report on the DU ammunition they thought we had when we lost one of drivers to an IED and and they were worried about contamination. we had to let them know we didnt have any.
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had them during the invasion but they were not allowed to use those rounds within a certain radius to towns or water...or something like that.
Wow, I honestly am speechless about that.eleven bravo wrote:
I could speak on my experience and during my deployment a year after the invasion we were not issues DU and neither was any other unit in Task Force Baghdad (50,000 troops). I know this because the unit they attached us with during the summer of 05 tried to have some kind of environmental report on the DU ammunition they thought we had when we lost one of drivers to an IED and and they were worried about contamination. we had to let them know we didnt have any.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Id assume we would have em for the invasion. I know they told us to stay the fuck away from all the dead iraqi tanks on the FOB boneyard because of the contamination. But that was only for like 1 month right?
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summer of 04, my bad
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The biological half life of DU is like what, 15 days?
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
EDIT: Erasing my ignorance
I'm confused as to what we're doing in Libya though. We're half-assedly supporting these rebels, but what happens if Gaddhafi manages to crush them? All of us western nations just go back to twiddling our thumbs and pretend nothing happened?
I'm confused as to what we're doing in Libya though. We're half-assedly supporting these rebels, but what happens if Gaddhafi manages to crush them? All of us western nations just go back to twiddling our thumbs and pretend nothing happened?
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Was the military supposed to clean up the tanks?
I remember seeing a report/documentary of people walking by blown up Iraqi tanks and the like that were not cleaned up with geiger counters and the like. I don't remember exactly how much radiation was produced or how long the tanks had been there but it was pretty convincing. Granted there was probably an amount of bullshit in it but kids aren't supposed to be playing on a blown up tank that makes a geiger counter go insane. Think they went in some houses too.
I remember seeing a report/documentary of people walking by blown up Iraqi tanks and the like that were not cleaned up with geiger counters and the like. I don't remember exactly how much radiation was produced or how long the tanks had been there but it was pretty convincing. Granted there was probably an amount of bullshit in it but kids aren't supposed to be playing on a blown up tank that makes a geiger counter go insane. Think they went in some houses too.
That's fucking awful tbh, jesus.eleven bravo wrote:
I could speak on my experience and during my deployment a year after the invasion we were not issues DU and neither was any other unit in Task Force Baghdad (50,000 troops). I know this because the unit they attached us with during the summer of 05 tried to have some kind of environmental report on the DU ammunition they thought we had when we lost one of drivers to an IED and and they were worried about contamination. we had to let them know we didnt have any.
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I dont know. Ive never handled it. Even though I was mechanized infantry and we get that shit as part of our ammo load Ive only used HE, AP and the practice rounds for HE and AP. SInce there was no armor threat in iraq after 2003 they dont want to risk getting soldiers needlessly exposed to that shit.
and for everyone who says DU is the reason for the rise of birth defects and abnormalities in iraqi children, theyve never seen how polluted with chemicals not from the US that country is. Found trace elements of all sorts of bio and chem substances in the water table in the area I was at
and for everyone who says DU is the reason for the rise of birth defects and abnormalities in iraqi children, theyve never seen how polluted with chemicals not from the US that country is. Found trace elements of all sorts of bio and chem substances in the water table in the area I was at
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i love the smell of DU in the morning. smells like....victory.
yeah I can understand, don't think just the tanks would cause a really noticeable rise in birth defects either tbh. A lot is needed for that.
I thought you would only be loaded in the Bradley and dumped, not that you'd actually help operate it - or well, I suppose that's standard for mech. infantry no
I thought you would only be loaded in the Bradley and dumped, not that you'd actually help operate it - or well, I suppose that's standard for mech. infantry no
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the awful part was clearing out the vehicle of equipment, weapons and ammo. I was put on that detail.Shocking wrote:
Was the military supposed to clean up the tanks?
I remember seeing a report/documentary of people walking by blown up Iraqi tanks and the like that were not cleaned up with geiger counters and the like. I don't remember exactly how much radiation was produced or how long the tanks had been there but it was pretty convincing. Granted there was probably an amount of bullshit in it but kids aren't supposed to be playing on a blown up tank that makes a geiger counter go insane. Think they went in some houses too.That's fucking awful tbh, jesus.eleven bravo wrote:
I could speak on my experience and during my deployment a year after the invasion we were not issues DU and neither was any other unit in Task Force Baghdad (50,000 troops). I know this because the unit they attached us with during the summer of 05 tried to have some kind of environmental report on the DU ammunition they thought we had when we lost one of drivers to an IED and and they were worried about contamination. we had to let them know we didnt have any.
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yep. if youre lucky you stay a dismount. If you aint, you get your turn with the mounted. Being mounted definately has its perks. I remember how I was always bitching about how they stuck me as a driver one time when I wanted to be on the ground with my saw. During one patrol, we had to hump 15 miles in the middle of july while it was 120 degrees. They asked me if I wanted to switch out with any of the tired dismounts I said "fuck that" I mean its hot as fuck inside a track but at least I could beat off when we park.Shocking wrote:
yeah I can understand, don't think just the tanks would cause a really noticeable rise in birth defects either tbh. A lot is needed for that.
I thought you would only be loaded in the Bradley and dumped, not that you'd actually help operate it - or well, I suppose that's standard for mech. infantry no
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