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As for woman who wasn't raped but got pregnant. she must face the consequences of her actions. As for being raped, what happens happens. Just go through the labor and give birth to the child and sent it to foster care or adoption if you don't want it. Maybe cruel, but we live in a dangerous world.Shocking wrote:
War Man wrote:
Yes, not the child's fault his dad was/is a sick fuck.Where's the woman in this equation? Forcing a baby unto someone who doesn't want it is a perfect start to creating a sick and twisted human being. Worse is forcing one on someone who got raped, many rape victims being <20 years old, it will destroy their entire future. I really don't see that as being 'compassionate', not to mention that you're raising the baby of your rapist, I can't even begin to imagine how that must feel.War Man wrote:
Yes, I would. It is the Christian way to show some compassion
I have developed an opinion of my own. An example was me being against the Libyan situation. That is my own opinion, I don't know the exact opinion of my parents on this.ghettoperson wrote:
Don't pay too much attention to him. He's a naive young kid who just echo's his parents beliefs without any original thought of his own.lowing wrote:
wow, didn't really expect that. So you can honestly say if your wife were raped and became pregnant from the rapist you would have her keep the baby and raise it as your own? Or if you were told your baby was going to be born deformed or mentally incapacitated, you would still keep him or her? These are standards you would keep for yourself as well?War Man wrote:
Yes, not the child's fault his dad was/is a sick fuck.
Fine how about we kill all people with cancer no matter how minor or major it is because they are suffering. Lets go kill people with diabetes because they are suffering. Lets kill people with STDs 'cause they are suffering. Lets kill blind or deaf people 'cause they are missing one of their senses and it is hard to adapt without it. Ah hell we don't have to just go with people. Lets destroy some trees in the autumn because they are no longer producing food. Lets go kill every fucking thing that is suffering. You want that pal? Huh?Shocking wrote:
I don't want the woman or the child to suffer for YOUR sense of self righteousness, because that's what it ultimately comes down to.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
If you had anything to add read through all the pages and follow the debate before doing so, also, it's a stupid point you're trying to make - stop being an idiot.
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as if you're so smart
You haven't even completed highschool yet, honestly gtfo.
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He brings up much more well thought up and backed up posts in all the threads i have read, more so than you at least.HaiBai wrote:
as if you're so smart
I'm just going along your reasoning and your under estimation of a fetus that has a chance of becoming an intelligent human being. Have you ever thought that a baby being aborted could of end up being a well known person for a good cause?Shocking wrote:
If you had anything to add read through all the pages and follow the debate before doing so, also, it's a stupid point you're trying to make - stop being an idiot.
Also what do you say about failed aborted babies that have grown up to be adults and are thankful that their abortion failed as well as they are alive and well? It is not for the good of the child, only the selfish mother who finds it an inconvenience.
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The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
I already thoroughly explained my views on a fetus and that I can't consider it a human being at that point in time, I will admit it has the potential to be one but I can't follow the argumentation that that potential in itself grants it the same rights as us. It's still a fetus. Nor do I see how me saying that forcing someone to keep a baby is intentionally making them suffer to appease your sense of self righteousness equates to assuming you have to kill off disabled people.
If someone survives after a failed abortion (first time I hear about the possibility and apparantly it happens in less than 0.1% of the cases), I would say; good on them and they're extremely lucky. I don't however feel that this is an argument for opposing abortion entirely.
Views such as this;
If someone survives after a failed abortion (first time I hear about the possibility and apparantly it happens in less than 0.1% of the cases), I would say; good on them and they're extremely lucky. I don't however feel that this is an argument for opposing abortion entirely.
Views such as this;
Really get me concerned, it's unimaginably stupid. I also feel that saying this is just immensely immoral and degrading towards women and their rights.War Man wrote:
As for being raped, what happens happens
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If you can't respect an unborn child why must I respect a woman's rights to abort a child? The only rights a woman should have is be able to work, enjoy freedom as a human and pretty much do whatever they want like a man does, abortion should only be an option if it is a health risk to the mother that is it. I feel sorry for a woman being raped and having to get pregnant but really as has been said, it is the woman getting raped that affects her the most not the child. What about women getting raped and not pregnant which happens more often than getting pregnant from someone who raped you?
As for failed abortions being rare, sure they are rare but pretty much every failed aborted child is thankful that they are alive. No child should be denied the chance to experience life no matter their condition. If they want to kill themselves then it is their decision, not some woman's.
As for failed abortions being rare, sure they are rare but pretty much every failed aborted child is thankful that they are alive. No child should be denied the chance to experience life no matter their condition. If they want to kill themselves then it is their decision, not some woman's.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
No.War Man wrote:
If you can't respect an unborn child why must I respect a woman's rights to abort a child? The only rights a woman should have is be able to work, enjoy freedom as a human and pretty much do whatever they want like a man does, abortion should only be an option if it is a health risk to the mother that is it. I feel sorry for a woman being raped and having to get pregnant but really as has been said, it is the woman getting raped that affects her the most not the child. What about women getting raped and not pregnant which happens more often than getting pregnant from someone who raped you?
As for failed abortions being rare, sure they are rare but pretty much every failed aborted child is thankful that they are alive. No child should be denied the chance to experience life no matter their condition. If they want to kill themselves then it is their decision, not some woman's.
there are No extenuating circumstances. you either believe in the right to choose, or you believe all life is sacred.
The existence of a fetus inside ones stomach should not lead to the woman's future being destroyed. That's their life that they are living at that very moment being thrown into the garbage can simply because of mere fucking chance. That, I feel, is unacceptable - the well being of a human who is walking around and breathing at this very moment in time is to me, more important than the fetus that is living inside its body.
With rape victims you are really just forcing them to endure extra mental torture for months on end, not allowing them to get themselves through the trauma - can you imagine what it must feel like to be raped and then have the rapist's kid growing inside of you? That's absolutely horrible. A woman is genetically wired to take care of her baby on top of that, simply putting it up for adoption adds extra stress to the whole situation. It's inhumane. The 'right to life' bullshit should be thrown out of the window as soon as it starts to affect an actually living human dramatically in such a way.
It's disconcerting because by making such statements it just shows your complete disconnect of reality and/or immaturity. Your priority ought to be taking care of living humans ffs, putting women through such things has very far reaching effects on their mental health and their lives. It's not an acceptable charge for creating another life.
With rape victims you are really just forcing them to endure extra mental torture for months on end, not allowing them to get themselves through the trauma - can you imagine what it must feel like to be raped and then have the rapist's kid growing inside of you? That's absolutely horrible. A woman is genetically wired to take care of her baby on top of that, simply putting it up for adoption adds extra stress to the whole situation. It's inhumane. The 'right to life' bullshit should be thrown out of the window as soon as it starts to affect an actually living human dramatically in such a way.
It's disconcerting because by making such statements it just shows your complete disconnect of reality and/or immaturity. Your priority ought to be taking care of living humans ffs, putting women through such things has very far reaching effects on their mental health and their lives. It's not an acceptable charge for creating another life.
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Many woman that have had abortions regret, there are those that don't care but they are the fucking typical sluts anyway not a real woman. Getting an abortion also has just as much emotional impact as sending a child to adoption, so don't fucking talk to me about emotion. The feeling that you just ended a life is horrible.
A newborn baby has about as much life and intelligence as an unborn child. With your reasoning women should have rights to kill their newborn if they want to as it apparently is a woman's right to do such a thing. Failed aborted babies should also be killed with your reasoning.
A newborn baby has about as much life and intelligence as an unborn child. With your reasoning women should have rights to kill their newborn if they want to as it apparently is a woman's right to do such a thing. Failed aborted babies should also be killed with your reasoning.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
And that ^ is the very last post I'm going to be making on the subject here. Because if you're still going to stubbornly hold on to that ridiculous mindset of yours even after this whole debate + the posts made here, I can't help you and debate is effectively pointless. All I can say on that is that I'm thankful a consensus has been reached within our societies that allows for abortion, because I can't imagine the cluster fuck these religiously motivated (and don't say it isn't true, the issue of sacred life and anti-abortion come flying at you straight through religious views on existence) people would make out of this world.
If you truly feel life is so sacred then I hope you will contribute to that mindset by adopting a few kids who had the misfortune of being born in a situation where shitty choices had to be made, that's all. Knowing that both you and shifty want to get with the military by the way, I'd advise not to because you'd probably have to kill yourself as soon as you're involved in a collateral damage incident in which uninvolved people die. The moral dilemma must be a fun one then.
If you truly feel life is so sacred then I hope you will contribute to that mindset by adopting a few kids who had the misfortune of being born in a situation where shitty choices had to be made, that's all. Knowing that both you and shifty want to get with the military by the way, I'd advise not to because you'd probably have to kill yourself as soon as you're involved in a collateral damage incident in which uninvolved people die. The moral dilemma must be a fun one then.
no, the point of the fetus is that this gets developed.War Man wrote:
intelligence as an unborn child.
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war man have you ever been pregnant, carrying a child? are you a woman? are you a mother?War Man wrote:
Many woman that have had abortions regret, there are those that don't care but they are the fucking typical sluts anyway not a real woman. Getting an abortion also has just as much emotional impact as sending a child to adoption, so don't fucking talk to me about emotion. The feeling that you just ended a life is horrible.
A newborn baby has about as much life and intelligence as an unborn child. With your reasoning women should have rights to kill their newborn if they want to as it apparently is a woman's right to do such a thing. Failed aborted babies should also be killed with your reasoning.
then why are you talking about the emotions with such absolute certainty and unfaltering empathy?
shut the fuck up. your thoughts on the matter are more informed by a 2,000 year old book than by any real human emotion
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You guys are right that debating about this isn't getting anywhere. In fact, we may as well not have a D&ST as no one on bf2s is gonna ever change their opinions.
Does a baby instantly gain intelligence as soon as it it born? I think not, so I am right to say that a newborn baby has about as much intelligence as a "fetus". It eventually gains intelligence as it observes, a fetus that is developed enough would too if it could see outside its mother's womb.
Does a baby instantly gain intelligence as soon as it it born? I think not, so I am right to say that a newborn baby has about as much intelligence as a "fetus". It eventually gains intelligence as it observes, a fetus that is developed enough would too if it could see outside its mother's womb.
Shocking is talking about emotions of women yet he has no experience of such a situation, what makes me so different? Go fuck around elsewhere uzique.Uzique wrote:
war man have you ever been pregnant, carrying a child? are you a woman? are you a mother?War Man wrote:
Many woman that have had abortions regret, there are those that don't care but they are the fucking typical sluts anyway not a real woman. Getting an abortion also has just as much emotional impact as sending a child to adoption, so don't fucking talk to me about emotion. The feeling that you just ended a life is horrible.
A newborn baby has about as much life and intelligence as an unborn child. With your reasoning women should have rights to kill their newborn if they want to as it apparently is a woman's right to do such a thing. Failed aborted babies should also be killed with your reasoning.
then why are you talking about the emotions with such absolute certainty and unfaltering empathy?
shut the fuck up. your thoughts on the matter are more informed by a 2,000 year old book than by any real human emotion
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The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
a newborn baby has more intelligence than a foetus: it has INDIVIDUAL SENSES with which to PERCEIVE the world. a foetus is a ball of cells that has not started living as an INDIVIDUAL (i.e. respiring and existing alone, outside the mother body). just because neither a baby nor a foetus can do algebra, doesn't mean they're both entirely without brains. a baby has a consciousness, i.e. individual senses and a functioning brain. a foetus is an organism attached to the side of a womb, sucking up nutrients and growing in preparation for birth.
your last sentence is fucking ridiculous. i lol'd.
your last sentence is fucking ridiculous. i lol'd.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
A fetus doesn't even have brain activity until 25 weeks, how the fuck could it have ANY intelligence?
Ugh, either way, maybe - you know - personally knowing people who've had to deal with the issue of unexpectedly getting pregnant? Maybe having some more real life experience? Having sex makes you think about this sort of stuff btw, maybe you should try it.
And no, DST is not pointless. It's a cesspit I'll give you that but it's a good pasttime and most people in here are actually rational and are capable of adjusting their stances.
Ugh, either way, maybe - you know - personally knowing people who've had to deal with the issue of unexpectedly getting pregnant? Maybe having some more real life experience? Having sex makes you think about this sort of stuff btw, maybe you should try it.
And no, DST is not pointless. It's a cesspit I'll give you that but it's a good pasttime and most people in here are actually rational and are capable of adjusting their stances.
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Goddammit, where the fuck is this anti-abortion ad that shows what a "fetus" looks like in the development stages?
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
keyword is "ad". it's propaganda for a cause, not a fucking definitive statement.
christians have a bad habit of taking literal and pictorial icons as actual truths
christians have a bad habit of taking literal and pictorial icons as actual truths
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youre an undeveloped fetusWar Man wrote:
Goddammit, where the fuck is this anti-abortion ad that shows what a "fetus" looks like in the development stages?
Tu Stultus Es
looooooooooooooleleven bravo wrote:
youre an undeveloped fetusWar Man wrote:
Goddammit, where the fuck is this anti-abortion ad that shows what a "fetus" looks like in the development stages?
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Not necessarily.
Also, what about your sides' fucking propaganda? Huh? Oh wait it is your views as well so it is ok and isn't propaganda.
Also, what about your sides' fucking propaganda? Huh? Oh wait it is your views as well so it is ok and isn't propaganda.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Well abort me then, bitch.eleven bravo wrote:
youre an undeveloped fetusWar Man wrote:
Goddammit, where the fuck is this anti-abortion ad that shows what a "fetus" looks like in the development stages?
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
my side's propaganda is all the women that have been able to keep their lives after flushing a meaningless and conscious-less ball of mixed spunk and egg out of their sore vagina. i think that's worth keeping.
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Oh and as I said before, I'm not entirely against abortion for religious reasons only. As I said before, everyone deserves a chance at life no matter the situation.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.