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lowing wrote:

War Man wrote:

Yes, not the child's fault his dad was/is a sick fuck.

wow, didn't really expect that. So you can honestly say if your wife were raped and became pregnant from the rapist you would have her keep the baby and raise it as your own? Or if you were told your baby was going to be born deformed or mentally incapacitated, you would still keep him or her? These are standards you would keep for yourself as well?

my wife had a tubal pregnancy, seven years into our marriage. we had had one adoption fall through, because we thought we couldn't have children.

the doctor gave my wife the same chemical that they use for chemotherapy, to end a pregnancy that we thought would never happen for us.

10/10 times i sign the consent form to administer this treatment, and even though the miracle of life has never happened for us again, i could not take the decision away from someone that does not want to bring a baby into this world, for whatever reason.

FEOS wrote:

War Man wrote:

Yes, not the child's fault his dad was/is a sick fuck.

I was an absolutist on the abortion issue. Until my son was born. And has had to struggle every day of his life for the past 11 years.

I would trade an eternity in hell to guarantee he didn't have to suffer the way he has. Without a second thought.

Because I love him more than anything.

With tears in my eyes from your post, as a father, I understand completely. I had a scare with my second son that, although it only lasted a month and a half, I will never forget the feeling of thinking we were going to be burying our son. We were offered abortion, but decided to play the hand we were dealt. I will never forget the despair, frustration of " why him" and sense of helplessness. As it turned out, my son was mis-diagnosed and he is healthy.

burnzz wrote:

lowing wrote:

War Man wrote:

Yes, not the child's fault his dad was/is a sick fuck.

wow, didn't really expect that. So you can honestly say if your wife were raped and became pregnant from the rapist you would have her keep the baby and raise it as your own? Or if you were told your baby was going to be born deformed or mentally incapacitated, you would still keep him or her? These are standards you would keep for yourself as well?

my wife had a tubal pregnancy, seven years into our marriage. we had had one adoption fall through, because we thought we couldn't have children.

the doctor gave my wife the same chemical that they use for chemotherapy, to end a pregnancy that we thought would never happen for us.

10/10 times i sign the consent form to administer this treatment, and even though the miracle of life has never happened for us again, i could not take the decision away from someone that does not want to bring a baby into this world, for whatever reason.

I agree with you. Personally, after going through an abortion with my girlfriend in my early 20's, I could not bring my self to face that again barring extreme situations. In fact 12 years later when I was faced with aborting what was to be my sick son, I remember thinking I was being punished for what I did in my youth.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Unfortunately War Man, nothing is that simple. Every situation is different and some times it really is the best (or only) opinion.

In all fairness maybe for you and me, but not necessarily for him.

burnzz wrote:

thanks - we are past the point where the biological clock sounds like Big Ben, but honestly it would be hypocritical of me to be pro-life and pro death penalty.

i believe the death penalty needs to be an option, so that is how i came to the conclusion that i could not be pro-life.

i also believe that if someone were pro-life, then either the death penalty is untenable, or that person is ultimately a hypocrite. people that vote pro life and pro death need to have their heads examined.

I think abortion is PERSONALLY wrong. I justify it by rationalizing that the death penalty of a guilty person, who took some one else's life, and abortion of an innocent life are 2 separate issues.

lowing wrote:

burnzz wrote:

thanks - we are past the point where the biological clock sounds like Big Ben, but honestly it would be hypocritical of me to be pro-life and pro death penalty.

i believe the death penalty needs to be an option, so that is how i came to the conclusion that i could not be pro-life.

i also believe that if someone were pro-life, then either the death penalty is untenable, or that person is ultimately a hypocrite. people that vote pro life and pro death need to have their heads examined.

I think abortion is PERSONALLY wrong. I justify it by rationalizing that the death penalty of a guilty person, who took some one else's life, and abortion of an innocent life are 2 separate issues.

Assuming of course that the person is in fact guilty. There have been plenty of cases of people being released from gaol/death row after more evidence came to light or witness testimony was disproved.

Murderers being kept in gaol for life is acceptable for me.
An innocent man being killed by the government is not.

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2011-03-27 20:08:37)

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

burnzz wrote:

thanks - we are past the point where the biological clock sounds like Big Ben, but honestly it would be hypocritical of me to be pro-life and pro death penalty.

i believe the death penalty needs to be an option, so that is how i came to the conclusion that i could not be pro-life.

i also believe that if someone were pro-life, then either the death penalty is untenable, or that person is ultimately a hypocrite. people that vote pro life and pro death need to have their heads examined.

I think abortion is PERSONALLY wrong. I justify it by rationalizing that the death penalty of a guilty person, who took some one else's life, and abortion of an innocent life are 2 separate issues.

Assuming of course that the person is in fact guilty. There have been plenty of cases of people being released from gaol/death row after more evidence came to light or witness testimony was disproved.

Murderers being kept in gaol for life is acceptable for me.
An innocent man being killed by the government is not.

lol I would say take it to the thread I started regarding this very issue, but a mod who felt like his interference was needed or wanted  closed it.

burnzz wrote:

lowing wrote:

well much like with everything else thrown at me as far as issues not being black and white,  I can sleep at night, with a personal opinion that not ALL life is precious or sacred.

for this issue, for me and me alone, my opinion is black and white.

lowing, i was not trying to "out grayscale" you or anything - my personal experiences with life and death have left me with one conclusion.

on this issue, one either believes man has a right to decide life and death, or he doesn't. in my opinion, if he decides death, he cannot take that decision away from anyone else.

Well for me, I would never think hypocrisy of any person that was pro-life on one issue, and pro-death on the other. They are simply separate issues in my opinion. Just as distinct as the difference between guilty and innocent.

burnzz wrote:

fair enough, i understand that position.

it surprises me that i'm more unyielding and more absolutist than you, though - you're the one always getting hammered for being 'black & white', lol

Well for me, most social issues are black and white. You are personally responsible for your life and actions in that life or you are not.

There are no excuses out there to justify or remove your responsibility for YOUR actions. I do not accept, "my neighborhood", "my environment", "my parents", or "the kid that sits behind me" as excuses for shitty behavior. You still know right from wrong and what is expected in society. The only "grey area" for me are children and those that physically or mentally are not capable ( at no fault of their own)  of taking care of themselves.

lowing wrote:

I also do not agree that abortion should be used as a form of birth control.

I disagree.

War Man wrote:

Yes, not the child's fault his dad was/is a sick fuck.

War Man wrote:

Yes, I would. It is the Christian way to show some compassion

Where's the woman in this equation? Forcing a baby unto someone who doesn't want it is a perfect start to creating a sick and twisted human being. Worse is forcing one on someone who got raped, many rape victims being <20 years old, it will destroy their entire future. I really don't see that as being 'compassionate', not to mention that you're raising the baby of your rapist, I can't even begin to imagine how that must feel.

Abortion to me is a simple issue: it's none of my business to decide over other people's lives in such a way. It's not in the best interest of the kid to be born in a situation where he/she is unwanted, nor do I feel it's good for the mother - so who exactly would you be doing a favor? God? Being prolife would  be appeasing to dickish self-righteousness, and I want none of that.

War Man wrote:

By the way, I hope you don't find it offensive FEOS of me using the word retard. I'm the kind of person who prefers to say things as they are and not use a different word because it sounds friendly.

Actually, I find it highly offensive.

Though my son's situation and the Palins' situation are completely different.

Down Syndrome isn't the type of situation that should call for an abortion, IMO. That child can life a full and fruitful life, despite their mental challenges. Trisomy 21 (Down Syndrome) has a broad spectrum of problems, however, so it would still be a personal decision.

Cybargs wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

lowing wrote:

I also do not agree that abortion should be used as a form of birth control.

I disagree.

abortion is mainly used as a birth control anyway. every situation is different but in most cases of abortion its best that it happened. most teenagers cant take care of themselves let alone bring another child into this world, it's more fucked for the kid if they had to raise it.

I can understand abortion as a way out of a tough situation, a lesson is learned and you move on, but there is a difference between that and multiple abortions because she is a dumb fuck.

I do not like or approve of the attitude  "oh I am pregnant again? No biggie,  I will just have another abortion"

Last edited by lowing (2011-03-28 03:12:51)