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Once again the true Europe shows itself!

who is calling the government "evil capitalists and racists"?

i have not seen or heard a single accusation of racism

and ghetto you're conflating '250,000 people' in your general use of the term "people" with "hippies whining and breaking stuff".

it was about 250 people that broke off from the main protest route and staged a (peaceful) occupation of a store.

as for the rest of the vandalism (which is minor but, of course, hugely over-exposed in the media): shit like this happens at every protest

nothing to discuss here really, tbh. unless you want a discussion of the cuts themselves. but as for the 'protest', complete non-story.

i was actually surprised to find hardly any of the people i know involved in student activism / NUS shit went to this... it was actually my friends that work full-time, particularly those working in the public sector or for government subsidised schemes/companies/ventures. the students have had their (attempt at a) say and it ended up, by and large, in nothing... except political incapability (the government did nothing about maximum tuition fee hikes, but then turned around 4 weeks later and said they'll consider fining universities that charge the maximum cost... right, nice one).

i think there's a lot to protest about, here. do i think there's much to talk about re: vandalism, criminal behaviour, hippies and anarchists? no.

evil capitalist, maybe.
racist, no.

Where'd you get that from?

lowing i swear every wild claim you put forward in D&ST now is only ever backed up by the 'evidence' of "do a google search".

do a google search of 'man fucks dog whilst in barney the dinosaur suit'

you'll find a few

doesn't mean it makes any more fucking sense

you're batshit insane

nobody thinks the british government, british banking system or 'capitalist' establishment is racist. go away with your tired spiel.

ghettoperson wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i was actually surprised to find hardly any of the people i know involved in student activism / NUS shit went to this... it was actually my friends that work full-time, particularly those working in the public sector or for government subsidised schemes/companies/ventures. the students have had their (attempt at a) say and it ended up, by and large, in nothing... except political incapability (the government did nothing about maximum tuition fee hikes, but then turned around 4 weeks later and said they'll consider fining universities that charge the maximum cost... right, nice one).

i think there's a lot to protest about, here. do i think there's much to talk about re: vandalism, criminal behaviour, hippies and anarchists? no.

Sorry, I just felt like editorialising the title, I'm aware that there isn't much to talk about in terms of the protests themselves.

I just find it annoying that whatever the government does, they're always in the wrong. They can either sort out the economy and people will bitch because it means they have to pay higher taxes and public services take a cut, or they can pretend nothing is wrong and then people bitch that the government isn't doing anything to help the economy. Personally, I'd much rather we worried about fixing the economy right now, and then a few years down the line when everything is sorted out, we can lower taxes a little.

the protests aren't about cuts, though... they're largely about the structure and nature of the plans. nobody in the government seems to know what the fuck they're doing and they're making some very big decisions that are going to affect all of us (particularly the student generation and the low-income working class) in a major, major way. needless to say, the policy makers and cabinet ministers taking these gambles aren't doing it with their personal or their generation's assets at stake. they're implementing some pretty fucking hardcore plans that won't affect them at all but rank pretty highly at the 'severe' end of the 'fiscal badass' scale.

fuck the public sector, they are there to serve people who pay tax, not demand our money. I would much rather pay far less tax and have to pay for private sector services to replace the public ones.

Uzique wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i was actually surprised to find hardly any of the people i know involved in student activism / NUS shit went to this... it was actually my friends that work full-time, particularly those working in the public sector or for government subsidised schemes/companies/ventures. the students have had their (attempt at a) say and it ended up, by and large, in nothing... except political incapability (the government did nothing about maximum tuition fee hikes, but then turned around 4 weeks later and said they'll consider fining universities that charge the maximum cost... right, nice one).

i think there's a lot to protest about, here. do i think there's much to talk about re: vandalism, criminal behaviour, hippies and anarchists? no.

Sorry, I just felt like editorialising the title, I'm aware that there isn't much to talk about in terms of the protests themselves.

I just find it annoying that whatever the government does, they're always in the wrong. They can either sort out the economy and people will bitch because it means they have to pay higher taxes and public services take a cut, or they can pretend nothing is wrong and then people bitch that the government isn't doing anything to help the economy. Personally, I'd much rather we worried about fixing the economy right now, and then a few years down the line when everything is sorted out, we can lower taxes a little.

the protests aren't about cuts, though... they're largely about the structure and nature of the plans. nobody in the government seems to know what the fuck they're doing and they're making some very big decisions that are going to affect all of us (particularly the student generation and the low-income working class) in a major, major way. needless to say, the policy makers and cabinet ministers taking these gambles aren't doing it with their personal or their generation's assets at stake. they're implementing some pretty fucking hardcore plans that won't affect them at all but rank pretty highly at the 'severe' end of the 'fiscal badass' scale.

I don't know about not knowing what they're doing. The analysis I've been reading has generally fallen on the side of favouring the budget. Obviously there are risks involved. Economically we're in a tough spot, and we've gotta make hard decision if we want to get out of it.

Vilham wrote:

fuck the public sector, they are there to serve people who pay tax, not demand our money. I would much rather pay far less tax and have to pay for private sector services to replace the public ones.

that's a bit of a silly statement, isn't it? all of my friends that work in the public sector EXACTLY work in jobs that 'serve people that pay tax', and moreso work for organisations that wouldn't be fairly replaced by private institutions. for example, one of my friends works for a legal advice bureau that is public-funded and serves to give legal aid and representation to those that can't afford it. this wouldn't work with a private sector organisation anywhere near as well... and i fail to see how they're 'demanding money' in a selfish way. they're there to help the poor that cannot afford to legally represent themselves. i'd say that's pretty deserving; and i'd also say that it's a damn shame that services like that are being axed. once again, the government that are making these drastic changes are not going to feel the bad or malign effects at all... it's the poor average everyman on the street that will find he cannot afford a lawyer, because bankers over-borrowed and over-speculated 5 years ago. poor show.

Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

do you even have a clue what the OP is about? racism is so far off the radar that you just look like a delusional nutjob.

I didn't make racism the focal point of my post, you did. take away racism the point still stands.

well nice to see you're finally retracting your senseless racism 'point', after arguing doggedly about fuck-knows-what for 5 posts

pleasure doing business with you

Oh I meant it, I just said racism was not the focal point of my post. If it helps you, then remove the term yourself then address the post.

Because you took an entire paragraph, focused on a single word then made an argument out of THAT, instead of addressing the intended opinion of the paragraph itself.

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Uzique wrote:

Vilham wrote:

fuck the public sector, they are there to serve people who pay tax, not demand our money. I would much rather pay far less tax and have to pay for private sector services to replace the public ones.

that's a bit of a silly statement, isn't it? all of my friends that work in the public sector EXACTLY work in jobs that 'serve people that pay tax', and moreso work for organisations that wouldn't be fairly replaced by private institutions. for example, one of my friends works for a legal advice bureau that is public-funded and serves to give legal aid and representation to those that can't afford it. this wouldn't work with a private sector organisation anywhere near as well... and i fail to see how they're 'demanding money' in a selfish way. they're there to help the poor that cannot afford to legally represent themselves. i'd say that's pretty deserving; and i'd also say that it's a damn shame that services like that are being axed. once again, the government that are making these drastic changes are not going to feel the bad or malign effects at all... it's the poor average everyman on the street that will find he cannot afford a lawyer, because bankers over-borrowed and over-speculated 5 years ago. poor show.

Plenty of those types of organizations exist here in the States in the private sector. Many of the regular law firms provide pro bono services as a percentage of their overall case load. They're funded via charitable donations or winnings in the courts.