lol is that really your argument? Christ died young? As if Christ just didn't have time to mass murder as many people as Muhammad did? really?UnkleRukus wrote:
Christ died young, Muhammad lived quite a bit of time. I'm not advocating murder here, you have to admit though he was a genius at leading.lowing wrote:
lol normal? then why wasn't it "normal" for Jesus to do the same thing?Macbeth wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_ … _of_Medina
He authorized some Jews to be executed once. It was normal back then to wipe out people like that though.
Really I don't see where this is going.
Christianity AS TAUGHT by the man Christ is non violent and loving and accepting..
Islam AS TAUGHT by Muhammad is violent and intolerant of those not accepting Islam.
Muhammad was a warrior and a murderer, Christ was not.... how can you not "see where this is going"?
You had no problem admitting that Christ did not advocate mass murder without reading the bible, how is it you need to have read the Koran to know if Muhammad was a murderer? I am going out on a limb here and say yes, you know Muhammad was murderer and his actions and teaching reflect that.UnkleRukus wrote:
Christ died young, Muhammad lived quite a bit of time. I'm not advocating murder here, you have to admit though he was a genius at leading.lowing wrote:
lol normal? then why wasn't it "normal" for Jesus to do the same thing?Macbeth wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_ … _of_Medina
He authorized some Jews to be executed once. It was normal back then to wipe out people like that though.
Really I don't see where this is going.
Christianity AS TAUGHT by the man Christ is non violent and loving and accepting..
Islam AS TAUGHT by Muhammad is violent and intolerant of those not accepting Islam.
Muhammad was a warrior and a murderer, Christ was not.... how can you not "see where this is going"?
Also I never read the bible, never want to. It wont change my life at all.
Christ lived 600 years earlier, two FAR different time periods.
yer squirming lol at least Jay had enough sense to run away so he wouldn't have to answer.
Actually no, not my argument at all. Don't play me off as dumb that quickly. My argument was that despite your accusations, Muhammad got shit done. He united the Arab world and in turn they became the keepers of Greek and Roman scripture and documents and other ancient texts. Had the Christian empires gotten a hold of them, they would have been destroyed and almost all knowledge of the ancient world would be lost. Remember that last bit.lowing wrote:
lol is that really your argument? Christ died young? As if Christ just didn't have time to mass murder as many people as Muhammad did? really?UnkleRukus wrote:
Christ died young, Muhammad lived quite a bit of time. I'm not advocating murder here, you have to admit though he was a genius at leading.lowing wrote:
lol normal? then why wasn't it "normal" for Jesus to do the same thing?
Christianity AS TAUGHT by the man Christ is non violent and loving and accepting..
Islam AS TAUGHT by Muhammad is violent and intolerant of those not accepting Islam.
Muhammad was a warrior and a murderer, Christ was not.... how can you not "see where this is going"?
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
It would have been normal for Jesus if he was a General like Mohammad but he was instead a Jewish peasant living under Roman occupation. Which according to the a very good deconstruction of Christianity I once read explains why Christianity morality is different from Jewish morality despite the fact Jesus was a Jew.
I have no idea what is your objective is with this the whole "Mohammad was worse than Jesus" point. New Testament Jesus stuff if taken word for word is nice and all and judging from the quotes I have read from the Koran there are some fucked up things in there but despite that I hate both religions equally because they both suck cock. What are you getting at? Really?
I have no idea what is your objective is with this the whole "Mohammad was worse than Jesus" point. New Testament Jesus stuff if taken word for word is nice and all and judging from the quotes I have read from the Koran there are some fucked up things in there but despite that I hate both religions equally because they both suck cock. What are you getting at? Really?
Why run away, if anything I could learn from you and vise versa.lowing wrote:
yer squirming lol at least Jay had enough sense to run away so he wouldn't have to answer.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Also he wasn't a murderer. If you consider him a ''murderer'' than everyone from Caesar to George Washington would also be considered a murderer. He executed people during wars. It's common practice.
I acknowledge Muslims scholars are responsible for saving those texts, not sure Muhammad was.UnkleRukus wrote:
Actually no, not my argument at all. Don't play me off as dumb that quickly. My argument was that despite your accusations, Muhammad got shit done. He united the Arab world and in turn they became the keepers of Greek and Roman scripture and documents and other ancient texts. Had the Christian empires gotten a hold of them, they would have been destroyed and almost all knowledge of the ancient world would be lost. Remember that last bit.lowing wrote:
lol is that really your argument? Christ died young? As if Christ just didn't have time to mass murder as many people as Muhammad did? really?UnkleRukus wrote:
Christ died young, Muhammad lived quite a bit of time. I'm not advocating murder here, you have to admit though he was a genius at leading.
It still does not take away from the original, undeniable point of the comparison between Christ and Muhammad. Christ advocated love tolerance and acceptance, Muhammad advocated violence and intolerance. Those are the facts, not up for interpretation. Muhammad was a murderer warrior, Christ was not.
Uhhhhhh by that time WRE was done for but ERE was thriving. They kept most of those ancient texts intact and they were Orthodox Christians.UnkleRukus wrote:
Actually no, not my argument at all. Don't play me off as dumb that quickly. My argument was that despite your accusations, Muhammad got shit done. He united the Arab world and in turn they became the keepers of Greek and Roman scripture and documents and other ancient texts. Had the Christian empires gotten a hold of them, they would have been destroyed and almost all knowledge of the ancient world would be lost. Remember that last bit.
Also when the Arab Muslims invaded Egypt they burnt down the Library of Alexandria and used the books for heating their bathing water.
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Sorry, what I meant was, it was hard to get answers from you, knowing where I was headed with those answers. Jay decided it would be best not to stay and answer.UnkleRukus wrote:
Why run away, if anything I could learn from you and vise versa.lowing wrote:
yer squirming lol at least Jay had enough sense to run away so he wouldn't have to answer.
ok fine, George Washington was not the founder of a religion Christ and Muhammad was. Now compare.Macbeth wrote:
Also he wasn't a murderer. If you consider him a ''murderer'' than everyone from Caesar to George Washington would also be considered a murderer. He executed people during wars. It's common practice.
Well fuckMacbeth wrote:
Uhhhhhh by that time WRE was done for but ERE was thriving. They kept most of those ancient texts intact and they Orthodox Christians.UnkleRukus wrote:
Actually no, not my argument at all. Don't play me off as dumb that quickly. My argument was that despite your accusations, Muhammad got shit done. He united the Arab world and in turn they became the keepers of Greek and Roman scripture and documents and other ancient texts. Had the Christian empires gotten a hold of them, they would have been destroyed and almost all knowledge of the ancient world would be lost. Remember that last bit.
Also when the Arab Muslims invaded Egypt they burnt down the Library of Alexandria and used the books for heating their bathing water.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Christ may or may not have even really existed (probably not though)lowing wrote:
lol is that really your argument? Christ died young? As if Christ just didn't have time to mass murder as many people as Muhammad did? really?UnkleRukus wrote:
Christ died young, Muhammad lived quite a bit of time. I'm not advocating murder here, you have to admit though he was a genius at leading.lowing wrote:
lol normal? then why wasn't it "normal" for Jesus to do the same thing?
Christianity AS TAUGHT by the man Christ is non violent and loving and accepting..
Islam AS TAUGHT by Muhammad is violent and intolerant of those not accepting Islam.
Muhammad was a warrior and a murderer, Christ was not.... how can you not "see where this is going"?
Muhammad was a real person.
I think it's the "idea" of Christ that he is referring to.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Christ may or may not have even really existed (probably not though)lowing wrote:
lol is that really your argument? Christ died young? As if Christ just didn't have time to mass murder as many people as Muhammad did? really?UnkleRukus wrote:
Christ died young, Muhammad lived quite a bit of time. I'm not advocating murder here, you have to admit though he was a genius at leading.
Muhammad was a real person.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Both religions suck in their own ways. Like i said what is your point?lowing wrote:
ok fine, George Washington was not the founder of a religion Christ and Muhammad was. Now compare.Macbeth wrote:
Also he wasn't a murderer. If you consider him a ''murderer'' than everyone from Caesar to George Washington would also be considered a murderer. He executed people during wars. It's common practice.
Islam is horrible. Christianity is horrible. Ergo ?????
lowing, people have been trying to correctly interpret both the Islam and Bible for thousands of years. It's a completely ridiculous argument to say that not following whatever their prophets have said to the letter does not make them legitimate followers of that religion anymore, as there are plenty of contradictions in both books combined with vague verses open to interpretation to allow for these different ways of living life according to their scriptures - nor has either prophet given exact instructions to deal with every possible situation.
So what the fuck are you actually on about? Trashing muhammad now? OK be my guest, you wouldn't be the first. Can we trash Abraham while we're at it because he's the founding father of Islam, Christianity and Judaism - and not a loving fellow either.
So what the fuck are you actually on about? Trashing muhammad now? OK be my guest, you wouldn't be the first. Can we trash Abraham while we're at it because he's the founding father of Islam, Christianity and Judaism - and not a loving fellow either.
inane little opines
No motherfucker, no.lowing wrote:
DO YOU THINK Muhammad advocated mass murder in his teachings and actions?UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm pretty sure 90% of this forum hasn't even read the Koran, let alone the bible. So I'm pretty sure you're asking a dead end question.lowing wrote:
one thing at a time.
Now that we have established that it is widely accepted by us that Jesus DID NOT advocate mass murder in his teachings.
Does the actions and teachings of Muhammad advocate mass murder?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
that is some deep dark denial pal.Jay wrote:
No motherfucker, no.lowing wrote:
DO YOU THINK Muhammad advocated mass murder in his teachings and actions?UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm pretty sure 90% of this forum hasn't even read the Koran, let alone the bible. So I'm pretty sure you're asking a dead end question.
I tried to keep it simple compare the lives of both men side by side, leaving all of the bullshit about gods wrath out of it, compare the mens lives and their words. Do that, without all of the smoke and mirrors you guys keep trying to add, and it is clear. Muhammad was a warrior, whose actions and teachings were steeped in violence. Jesus was the opposite.Shocking wrote:
lowing, people have been trying to correctly interpret both the Islam and Bible for thousands of years. It's a completely ridiculous argument to say that not following whatever their prophets have said to the letter does not make them legitimate followers of that religion anymore, as there are plenty of contradictions in both books combined with vague verses open to interpretation to allow for these different ways of living life according to their scriptures - nor has either prophet given exact instructions to deal with every possible situation.
So what the fuck are you actually on about? Trashing muhammad now? OK be my guest, you wouldn't be the first. Can we trash Abraham while we're at it because he's the founding father of Islam, Christianity and Judaism - and not a loving fellow either.
They do suck in their own ways.Macbeth wrote:
Both religions suck in their own ways. Like i said what is your point?lowing wrote:
ok fine, George Washington was not the founder of a religion Christ and Muhammad was. Now compare.Macbeth wrote:
Also he wasn't a murderer. If you consider him a ''murderer'' than everyone from Caesar to George Washington would also be considered a murderer. He executed people during wars. It's common practice.
Islam is horrible. Christianity is horrible. Ergo ?????
Islam in a violent intolerant way, and Christians in an holier than thou, do what I say not what I do, sort of way.
I'm not trying to add smoke and mirrors. I just don't understand why we need to nitpick the lives of two very different individuals. Muhammad was a murderer just as much as all the great leaders of the time.lowing wrote:
I tried to keep it simple compare the lives of both men side by side, leaving all of the bullshit about gods wrath out of it, compare the mens lives and their words. Do that, without all of the smoke and mirrors you guys keep trying to add, and it is clear. Muhammad was a warrior, whose actions and teachings were steeped in violence. Jesus was the opposite.Shocking wrote:
lowing, people have been trying to correctly interpret both the Islam and Bible for thousands of years. It's a completely ridiculous argument to say that not following whatever their prophets have said to the letter does not make them legitimate followers of that religion anymore, as there are plenty of contradictions in both books combined with vague verses open to interpretation to allow for these different ways of living life according to their scriptures - nor has either prophet given exact instructions to deal with every possible situation.
So what the fuck are you actually on about? Trashing muhammad now? OK be my guest, you wouldn't be the first. Can we trash Abraham while we're at it because he's the founding father of Islam, Christianity and Judaism - and not a loving fellow either.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
I do not see reflecting on the very lives, actions and teachings of the 2 men and how they developed their religious ideologies is nit picking.UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm not trying to add smoke and mirrors. I just don't understand why we need to nitpick the lives of two very different individuals. Muhammad was a murderer just as much as all the great leaders of the time.lowing wrote:
I tried to keep it simple compare the lives of both men side by side, leaving all of the bullshit about gods wrath out of it, compare the mens lives and their words. Do that, without all of the smoke and mirrors you guys keep trying to add, and it is clear. Muhammad was a warrior, whose actions and teachings were steeped in violence. Jesus was the opposite.Shocking wrote:
lowing, people have been trying to correctly interpret both the Islam and Bible for thousands of years. It's a completely ridiculous argument to say that not following whatever their prophets have said to the letter does not make them legitimate followers of that religion anymore, as there are plenty of contradictions in both books combined with vague verses open to interpretation to allow for these different ways of living life according to their scriptures - nor has either prophet given exact instructions to deal with every possible situation.
So what the fuck are you actually on about? Trashing muhammad now? OK be my guest, you wouldn't be the first. Can we trash Abraham while we're at it because he's the founding father of Islam, Christianity and Judaism - and not a loving fellow either.
Are you really saying, sure Muhammad was violent, intolerant, a murderer but that doesn't count or matter when talking about the religion he based his life around?
What I'm saying is, it's not religion that defines a man, it's man who defines religion.lowing wrote:
I do not see reflecting on the very lives, actions and teachings of the 2 men and how they developed their religious ideologies is nit picking.UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm not trying to add smoke and mirrors. I just don't understand why we need to nitpick the lives of two very different individuals. Muhammad was a murderer just as much as all the great leaders of the time.lowing wrote:
I tried to keep it simple compare the lives of both men side by side, leaving all of the bullshit about gods wrath out of it, compare the mens lives and their words. Do that, without all of the smoke and mirrors you guys keep trying to add, and it is clear. Muhammad was a warrior, whose actions and teachings were steeped in violence. Jesus was the opposite.
Are you really saying, sure Muhammad was violent, intolerant, a murderer but that doesn't count or matter when talking about the religion he based his life around?
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
and Jesus and Muhammad defined their religions. It is up to each individual if you are going to follow that definition. If you do, you are following the mans teachings thus the relgion, if you do not follow that definition, then why are you saying you are following their teachings?UnkleRukus wrote:
What I'm saying is, it's not religion that defines a man, it's man who defines religion.lowing wrote:
I do not see reflecting on the very lives, actions and teachings of the 2 men and how they developed their religious ideologies is nit picking.UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm not trying to add smoke and mirrors. I just don't understand why we need to nitpick the lives of two very different individuals. Muhammad was a murderer just as much as all the great leaders of the time.
Are you really saying, sure Muhammad was violent, intolerant, a murderer but that doesn't count or matter when talking about the religion he based his life around?
Just ignore him. He's a waste of your time. He doesn't care if he's right or wrong, he just wants people to argue with him.UnkleRukus wrote:
What I'm saying is, it's not religion that defines a man, it's man who defines religion.lowing wrote:
I do not see reflecting on the very lives, actions and teachings of the 2 men and how they developed their religious ideologies is nit picking.UnkleRukus wrote:
I'm not trying to add smoke and mirrors. I just don't understand why we need to nitpick the lives of two very different individuals. Muhammad was a murderer just as much as all the great leaders of the time.
Are you really saying, sure Muhammad was violent, intolerant, a murderer but that doesn't count or matter when talking about the religion he based his life around?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat