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2011-03-24 10:13:06
Shocking
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Nic wrote:

Variety is not the spice of life, homogeneity is.
Not implying they should become dutch, just mix in with the dominant culture. That this doesn't happen is, I believe, largely our own fault.

lowing wrote:

Was just asking, Islam clearly holds itself as superior to all others
A religious textbook does not hold anything, its interpreters do. Christianity could just as easily be xenophobic, as could any other religion.

Spain has had a muslim population in its society for the past 1000 years, yet they're doing mostly fine.

Last edited by Shocking (2011-03-24 10:14:48)

inane little opines
2011-03-24 10:13:24
lowing
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Nic wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:


Islam is the same shit as any other religious textbook, there's no use in singling it out. I live in the Netherlands, same deal here as in France, about 6% of the population being muslim - nice way of diverting the conversation to your favorite subject by the way. Le Pen is still a racist.

I'm curious, have you ever met a muslim? Vast majority are normal people. Our problems are integration not per se immigration, and that problem is not caused because muslims are muslims.
Was just asking, Islam clearly holds itself as superior to all others...
What you have never met a self-righteous christian.
plenty, although I already live in a morally Christian based society, so, although  I am not a Christian, we do share the majority of the same moral acceptances
2011-03-24 10:16:30
-Whiteroom-
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Shocking wrote:

Nic wrote:

Variety is not the spice of life, homogeneity is.
Not implying they should become dutch, just mix in with the dominant culture. That this doesn't happen is, I believe, largely our own fault.

lowing wrote:

Was just asking, Islam clearly holds itself as superior to all others
A religious textbook does not hold anything, its interpreters do. Christianity could just as easily be xenophobic, as could any other religion.

Spain has had a muslim population in its society for the past 1000 years, yet they're doing mostly fine.
Probably because they have been there for so long, It will probably get better over time elsewhere as well. The decline of religion can only help this issue.

Edit: was joking with that spice of life comment btw.

Last edited by Nic (2011-03-24 10:17:19)

2011-03-24 10:18:02
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

Nic wrote:

Variety is not the spice of life, homogeneity is.
Not implying they should become dutch, just mix in with the dominant culture. That this doesn't happen is, I believe, largely our own fault.

lowing wrote:

Was just asking, Islam clearly holds itself as superior to all others
A religious textbook does not hold anything, its interpreters do. Christianity could just as easily be xenophobic, as could any other religion.

Spain has had a muslim population in its society for the past 1000 years, yet they're doing mostly fine.
agree, and since Le Pen probably views the immigrants into France are not doing what you yourself wish for your own nation, can you not understand his opinion on the matter?



lol we could talk about that all day. The textbook IS Islam, what people decide to do with it is their choice. ISLAM however does hold itself superior to all others.

Are the Muslims in Spain, Spanish first, or Muslim first? I dunno I am askng?

Last edited by lowing (2011-03-24 10:20:14)

2011-03-24 10:19:39
Uzique
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a lot of southern spanish culture is inextricably linked to muslim/moorish culture

so i don't know what you're talking about, really
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2011-03-24 10:20:41
Uzique
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i mean why should a religious/cultural group that has been there for a thousand years somehow be expected to put a national identity that has only been around for 50 years above their actual cultural and social heritage
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2011-03-24 10:26:18
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

i mean why should a religious/cultural group that has been there for a thousand years somehow be expected to put a national identity that has only been around for 50 years above their actual cultural and social heritage
They shouldn't,  how long has Islam been the cultural identity of France compared to the French?
2011-03-24 10:27:23
lowing
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ya know, been through this with Cameron Poe years ago when he went off on a tangent about my job. I really hope you don't wind up like him and look kinda ridiculous by my asking: Does your company do any work for the govt. Or support any other company that does? 

Asking again Jay, in case you missed it.
2011-03-24 10:27:47
Shocking
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lowing wrote:

agree, and since Le Pen probably views the immigrants into France are not doing what you yourself wish for your own nation, can you not understand his opinion on the matter?
No, I cannot. He does not understand his own history or culture and does not offer a solution to the problem, merely hate.


lowing wrote:

The textbook IS Islam, what people decide to do with it is their choice. ISLAM however does hold itself superior to all others.
Never noticed anything of the like from the local muslim population.
inane little opines
2011-03-24 10:33:37
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

agree, and since Le Pen probably views the immigrants into France are not doing what you yourself wish for your own nation, can you not understand his opinion on the matter?
No, I cannot. He does not understand his own history or culture and does not offer a solution to the problem, merely hate.


lowing wrote:

The textbook IS Islam, what people decide to do with it is their choice. ISLAM however does hold itself superior to all others.
Never noticed anything of the like from the local muslim population.
I have seen the word HATE used by you more times than any quote I have read from him


lol, if you are not practicing the teachings of Islam, then they are not practicing Islam then are they? An old argument don't really wanna repeat it here.
2011-03-24 10:42:16
Shocking
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lowing wrote:

I have seen the word HATE used by you more times than any quote I have read from him



lol, if you are not practicing the teachings of Islam, then they are not practicing Islam then are they? An old argument don't really wanna repeat it here.
What? OK lowing, then I suppose the vatican has no right to call itself christian because they're not going around crusading against the disbelievers.

Really I can't be bothered to argue any longer, we've gone through years and years and YEARS of debate over your stances and you've never even once reconsidered them, as far as I can tell. What's the point?
inane little opines
2011-03-24 10:50:12
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

I have seen the word HATE used by you more times than any quote I have read from him



lol, if you are not practicing the teachings of Islam, then they are not practicing Islam then are they? An old argument don't really wanna repeat it here.
What? OK lowing, then I suppose the vatican has no right to call itself christian because they're not going around crusading against the disbelievers.

Really I can't be bothered to argue any longer, we've gone through years and years and YEARS of debate over your stances and you've never even once reconsidered them, as far as I can tell. What's the point?
The Vatican is Catholic, yet one of countless variances to Christianity, a lot of which is not found in the bible, so yup you would have a very strong argument that Catholics are not practicing Christianity.

As I said over and over again, I will reconsider my stance when opposing arguments do not include insults or accusations of racism, Nazism, war mongering, or just being stupid. As it is, insults and accusations are not counter arguments.

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2011-03-24 10:56:15
Uzique
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are all of the variances of extremist islam are found in the koran? why is a christian 'variance' just a variance but then an islamic interpretation a rule to denounce the entire worldwide faith?

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2011-03-24 11:02:26
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

are all of the variances of extremist islam are found in the koran? why is a christian 'variance' just a variance but then an islamic interpretation a rule to denounce the entire worldwide faith?
If you have kept up, I have never concluded that a "christian" NOT following the teachings of Christ, is a Christian.
2011-03-25 05:03:20
Dilbert_X
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Then a muslim not following islam is not a muslim.

Glad thats cleared up.
Fuck Israel
2011-03-25 05:55:46
Uzique
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lowing is the only human being i know that can accommodate two entirely different and contrary systems of logic in one brain
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2011-03-25 06:01:59
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Then a muslim not following islam is not a muslim.

Glad thats cleared up.
Well you tell me, if you adopt a religious text to follow as your faith, and you do not follow it, have you really adopted that faith as your belief?
2011-03-25 06:04:04
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

lowing is the only human being i know that can accommodate two entirely different and contrary systems of logic in one brain
How so, I do not believe people that call themselves Christians, that do not follow the teaching of Christ are really Christians and I do not believe people that call themselves Muslims that do not follow the teaching of Muhammad are really Muslims. There is contradiction whatsoever.
2011-03-25 06:36:59
Uzique
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the logical fallacy is that you deem yourself qualified to distinguish between who is a 'proper' muslim and who isn't - the muslims themselves are apparently incapable of self-assertion and self-validation. you conject an identity for 'muslims' based upon your own crass stereotypes, misinformed generalisations and bigot hatred, and then apply it to every muslim. i expect it's the same with your definition of christians, only for some unknown reason they don't draw as much invective bile from you.
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2011-03-25 07:29:08
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

the logical fallacy is that you deem yourself qualified to distinguish between who is a 'proper' muslim and who isn't - the muslims themselves are apparently incapable of self-assertion and self-validation. you conject an identity for 'muslims' based upon your own crass stereotypes, misinformed generalisations and bigot hatred, and then apply it to every muslim. i expect it's the same with your definition of christians, only for some unknown reason they don't draw as much invective bile from you.
you are correct, I am not qualified, that is why I have always maintained a difference between a Muslim and Islam A Christian and CHristianity. I judge individuals as individuals based on their actions, I judge Islam and Christianity  as religions and their teachings. ISLAM and Muhammad teach intolerance and violence. Christ and his teachings do not.

Last edited by lowing (2011-03-25 07:32:08)

2011-03-25 07:36:34
Uzique
dasein.
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the bible is tolerant? rofl. the god of the bible is one of the most vindictive, vengeful and intolerant gods in the entire fuckin' pantheon, fella
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2011-03-25 07:39:03
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

the bible is tolerant? rofl. the god of the bible is one of the most vindictive, vengeful and intolerant gods in the entire fuckin' pantheon, fella
address what I posted please.
2011-03-25 07:46:08
Uzique
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address what? your vision of europe according to le penn? i have already. it has no worth.

address your idea of islam in europe? islam has a history in europe longer than union and the national model. it has no worth.

address your tired, age-old conception of the koran as a war manual and the bible as a hippies handbook? it has no worth.
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2011-03-25 07:47:15
lowing
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Uzique wrote:

address what? your vision of europe according to le penn? i have already. it has no worth.

address your idea of islam in europe? islam has a history in europe longer than union and the national model. it has no worth.

address your tired, age-old conception of the koran as a war manual and the bible as a hippies handbook? it has no worth.
address this:
ou are correct, I am not qualified, that is why I have always maintained a difference between a Muslim and Islam A Christian and CHristianity. I judge individuals as individuals based on their actions, I judge Islam and Christianity  as religions and their teachings. ISLAM and Muhammad teach intolerance and violence. Christ and his teachings do not.
2011-03-25 07:50:31
Uzique
dasein.
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jesus christ are you stupid that's exactly what my first post addressed

all religious teachings are essentially intolerant and aggressive. that's how religion maintains and perpetuates itself.
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