^^ Or even worse in the eyes of the French ... an Englishman
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
So you agree with Le Pen on everything lowing, he's your kinda guy?
Just asking ...
Just asking ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Especially if he's from AquitaineVaregg wrote:
^^ Or even worse in the eyes of the French ... an Englishman
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Nope that is not true.Jay wrote:
If they want to subdivide themselves who cares? It makes them bigots. I'd much rather the diversity of thought and culture remain in place than to force some vanilla all engrossing structure on everyone.lowing wrote:
I act the same way? Don't recall advocating rounding up anyone for extermination, and only advocate rounding up illegal aliens for deportation, not the gas chamber. Your post is a prime example of what I just said.Jay wrote:
He IS racist lowing. He's a xenophobe. Being proud of being French to the point that you look down on everyone else is indeed racist. It's no different from Hitler and his obsession with Aryans.
The irony here is that you act the same way and America has no nationality. We have no unified culture that needs defending. We're a mutt nation. Whether it's Irish, Germans, Scots-Irish, Poles, Italians, Blacks, Hispanics, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians or whatever else, people from every nation in the world have helped build whatever it is that passes for culture in this nation. If you don't see this then maybe it's time you left whatever rural bumfuck town you call home. This nation is huge and diverse. It's not monolithic. It never has been, nor should it ever be. Your obsession is with a Leave It To Beaver world that never existed in reality. Let it go.
I know what our country is made up of, Shocking, believe it or not, I have been around the block a time or 2. I dare say lived in more places than you have even.
I am the one that speaks of all of us being an American, in a nation that wants to divide itself into sub categories of hispanic American, Asian American, African American, Muslim American so please do not do lecture me on diversity, lecture those that want to be seen more than just an American.
Southerners are different from Northerners. Different food, different music, different pace. Does it make either of us less American? No. I think what you really desire is for everyone to be a clone so you could live a blessed vanilla existence until you die. How boring.
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same for all of us living in that same society. I know I know, I am such a racist, Nazi.
No, you're just a fool. Morality is subjective. There is no universal standard. There never can be.lowing wrote:
Nope that is not true.Jay wrote:
If they want to subdivide themselves who cares? It makes them bigots. I'd much rather the diversity of thought and culture remain in place than to force some vanilla all engrossing structure on everyone.lowing wrote:
I act the same way? Don't recall advocating rounding up anyone for extermination, and only advocate rounding up illegal aliens for deportation, not the gas chamber. Your post is a prime example of what I just said.
I know what our country is made up of, Shocking, believe it or not, I have been around the block a time or 2. I dare say lived in more places than you have even.
I am the one that speaks of all of us being an American, in a nation that wants to divide itself into sub categories of hispanic American, Asian American, African American, Muslim American so please do not do lecture me on diversity, lecture those that want to be seen more than just an American.
Southerners are different from Northerners. Different food, different music, different pace. Does it make either of us less American? No. I think what you really desire is for everyone to be a clone so you could live a blessed vanilla existence until you die. How boring.
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same for all of us living in that same society. I know I know, I am such a racist, Nazi.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That's not Nazi or Facist ... that's called a fucking communist ...lowing wrote:
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same for all of us living in that same society. I know I know, I am such a racist, Nazi.
BURN HIM!!!
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Yeh, good luck. They change person to person household to household.lowing wrote:
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same
If you believe that, then spare your lectures for them, because I do not consider myself a WHITE American.Jay wrote:
Yes. They're racist if they are separating themselves and placing themselves above others based on race.lowing wrote:
Who would like change that is viewed as for the worse? He is guilty of being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE. Nothing more.Jay wrote:
And even that douchebag has nothing to defend. It's not like French culture has stayed static for the past fifteen hundred years. He's defending a single derivative, a mere point in time, and holding it up as some virtuous past that needs defending. Fuck that. Even the French language isn't the same as it was fifty years ago. That doesn't make today's version of the language better, or worse, just different.
People like him simply hate change. Maybe they have OCD. Maybe they just enjoy playing the victim. Whatever the case may be, the whiny buggers should be ignored.
Do you call a Muslim fighting for Islamic identity a racist? How about a proud black guy? Is he also a racist? Yet this guy is a proud Frenchman, and he is a racist. Go figure
And being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE is pretty funny considering his ancestors were probably German
Maybe not. You just want everyone else to be the same "American" as you.lowing wrote:
If you believe that, then spare your lectures for them, because I do not consider myself a WHITE American.
Yes you do. The way you rail against black people in New Orleans the other day, and you go on and on and on about hispanic immigration. You're proud of being white and want everyone to conform to what you perceive to be white morality. If you've deluded yourself into thinking you represent the majority of this country then you're a bigger egomaniac than I thought. Your views reflect lowing. No one else.lowing wrote:
If you believe that, then spare your lectures for them, because I do not consider myself a WHITE American.Jay wrote:
Yes. They're racist if they are separating themselves and placing themselves above others based on race.lowing wrote:
Who would like change that is viewed as for the worse? He is guilty of being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE. Nothing more.
Do you call a Muslim fighting for Islamic identity a racist? How about a proud black guy? Is he also a racist? Yet this guy is a proud Frenchman, and he is a racist. Go figure
And being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE is pretty funny considering his ancestors were probably German
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Precisely.DrunkFace wrote:
Maybe not. You just want everyone else to be the same "American" as you.lowing wrote:
If you believe that, then spare your lectures for them, because I do not consider myself a WHITE American.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That's kind of already the case in most of the world and will most likely continue as such.lowing wrote:
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same for all of us living in that same society. I know I know, I am such a racist, Nazi.
The expectation is that we'll continue to vex and oppress each other, and the moral standard is that the more money you have available to do this, the more effective you'll be at it.
Last edited by Turquoise (2011-03-24 08:33:00)
No not everything. I do not agree with him on abortion, or same sex marriage for example.Varegg wrote:
So you agree with Le Pen on everything lowing, he's your kinda guy?
Just asking ...
I simply do not agree with all of the accusations of him based on his convictions of keeping France, French. He has strong and proud opinions on being French ( don't ask me why ), no different than a AFRICAN American, or a member of CAIR etc. So if you consider him a racist and a Nazi for that, you should include anyone that is proud of their heritage as well. You prepared to do that?
Maybe you can come up with an argument against his POV that does not include merely calling him a racist and moving on?
the EXACT reason we have laws in our society.........enforce themJay wrote:
No, you're just a fool. Morality is subjective. There is no universal standard. There never can be.lowing wrote:
Nope that is not true.Jay wrote:
If they want to subdivide themselves who cares? It makes them bigots. I'd much rather the diversity of thought and culture remain in place than to force some vanilla all engrossing structure on everyone.
Southerners are different from Northerners. Different food, different music, different pace. Does it make either of us less American? No. I think what you really desire is for everyone to be a clone so you could live a blessed vanilla existence until you die. How boring.
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same for all of us living in that same society. I know I know, I am such a racist, Nazi.
Laws which change from state to state and township to township. You would fucking bawl your eyes out if same sex marriage was ever forced into your world on a national level and yet you cheer on the Defense of Marriage Act. Using the legislature to control the actions of others is the definition of authoritarianism. I don't care if it's the left doing it or the right doing it, they're equally wrong. And yeah, authoritarianism is synonymous with fascism.lowing wrote:
the EXACT reason we have laws in our society.........enforce themJay wrote:
No, you're just a fool. Morality is subjective. There is no universal standard. There never can be.lowing wrote:
Nope that is not true.
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same for all of us living in that same society. I know I know, I am such a racist, Nazi.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Maybe I need to elaborate.DrunkFace wrote:
Yeh, good luck. They change person to person household to household.lowing wrote:
I want everyone to live in a society where expectations and moral standard are the same
I want a society where we are all tolerant of one another as long as those tolerances are not outside the realms of the Constitution.
I don't even know where to begin... what? No, there is no argument. None. Having pride in national identity does not enable racism, who the hell is he to decide that Sarkozy is a 'foreigner' and he's a real frenchman? And that's just merely based on Sarkozy's mixed ancestry, what's more french about him? Is it french to be a xenophobe? Is your national identity determined by wether or not your grand daddy was french?lowing wrote:
Well is there not an argument for that in the context of maintaining a national identity? France is FRANCE..It isn't the USA who found its roots made up of people from all over the world
I don't even understand your reasoning, how can you justify a feeling of superiority solely based on where your ancestors came from? "to preserve national identity"? Well, I can guarantee you that the national identity of France has been evolving continouosly since the dawn of time, so the very notion confuses me.
Isn't this the exact same reasoning on which the nobility of the middle ages justified their position?
inane little opines
lol yeah if you are going to live here, that is exactly what I want.DrunkFace wrote:
Maybe not. You just want everyone else to be the same "American" as you.lowing wrote:
If you believe that, then spare your lectures for them, because I do not consider myself a WHITE American.
But I've lived here all my life. So have my parents. We're not the same "American" that you are. I'm not the same "American" that my neighbors are.lowing wrote:
lol yeah if you are going to live here, that is exactly what I want.DrunkFace wrote:
Maybe not. You just want everyone else to be the same "American" as you.lowing wrote:
If you believe that, then spare your lectures for them, because I do not consider myself a WHITE American.
Bow out of this conversation. You're making yourself look more and more like an xenophobic ass with every post.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well, in all honesty, a lot of the world including many Americans and Europeans use the same reasoning. Time hasn't really changed this that much. Hell, look at how xenophobic a lot of the non-Western world is.Shocking wrote:
I don't even know where to begin... what? No, there is no argument. None. Having pride in national identity does not enable racism, who the hell is he to decide that Sarkozy is a 'foreigner' and he's a real frenchman? And that's just merely based on Sarkozy's mixed ancestry, what's more french about him? Is it french to be a xenophobe? Is your national identity determined by wether or not your grand daddy was french?lowing wrote:
Well is there not an argument for that in the context of maintaining a national identity? France is FRANCE..It isn't the USA who found its roots made up of people from all over the world
I don't even understand your reasoning, how can you justify a feeling of superiority solely based on where your ancestors came from? "to preserve national identity"? Well, I can guarantee you that the national identity of France has been evolving continouosly since the dawn of time, so the very notion confuses me.
Isn't this the exact same reasoning on which the nobility of the middle ages justified their position?
People are attached to whatever culture they are part of. I can't really blame them for it, but yeah, we're all basically the same. We just wear different clothing, believe in different fantasies, and have slight differences in genetic proclivities.
Culture allows humans to pretend they're special. In truth, we're just animals cursed with an "intellect."
Well that's a bit pessimistic .Turqouise wrote:
Well, in all honesty, a lot of the world including many Americans and Europeans use the same reasoning. Time hasn't really changed this that much. Hell, look at how xenophobic a lot of the non-Western world is.
People are attached to whatever culture they are part of. I can't really blame them for it, but yeah, we're all basically the same. We just wear different clothing, believe in different fantasies, and have slight differences in genetic proclivities.
Culture allows humans to pretend they're special. In truth, we're just animals cursed with an "intellect."
inane little opines
Hey, fuck you, the German, Swedish, Polish and Lithuanian blood that courses through my veins makes me different and better than whatever breed you are.Turquoise wrote:
Well, in all honesty, a lot of the world including many Americans and Europeans use the same reasoning. Time hasn't really changed this that much. Hell, look at how xenophobic a lot of the non-Western world is.Shocking wrote:
I don't even know where to begin... what? No, there is no argument. None. Having pride in national identity does not enable racism, who the hell is he to decide that Sarkozy is a 'foreigner' and he's a real frenchman? And that's just merely based on Sarkozy's mixed ancestry, what's more french about him? Is it french to be a xenophobe? Is your national identity determined by wether or not your grand daddy was french?lowing wrote:
Well is there not an argument for that in the context of maintaining a national identity? France is FRANCE..It isn't the USA who found its roots made up of people from all over the world
I don't even understand your reasoning, how can you justify a feeling of superiority solely based on where your ancestors came from? "to preserve national identity"? Well, I can guarantee you that the national identity of France has been evolving continouosly since the dawn of time, so the very notion confuses me.
Isn't this the exact same reasoning on which the nobility of the middle ages justified their position?
People are attached to whatever culture they are part of. I can't really blame them for it, but yeah, we're all basically the same. We just wear different clothing, believe in different fantasies, and have slight differences in genetic proclivities.
Culture allows humans to pretend they're special. In truth, we're just animals cursed with an "intellect."
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
lol...
Never said a word about black people in New Orleans, I defy you to show me where I did. Why would you assume when speaking of rapists, murderers, and looters, that I speak of black people? Something you wanna get off your chest?Jay wrote:
Yes you do. The way you rail against black people in New Orleans the other day, and you go on and on and on about hispanic immigration. You're proud of being white and want everyone to conform to what you perceive to be white morality. If you've deluded yourself into thinking you represent the majority of this country then you're a bigger egomaniac than I thought. Your views reflect lowing. No one else.lowing wrote:
If you believe that, then spare your lectures for them, because I do not consider myself a WHITE American.Jay wrote:
Yes. They're racist if they are separating themselves and placing themselves above others based on race.
And being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE is pretty funny considering his ancestors were probably German
I did not say a word about hispanic immigration. I speak of ILLEGAL immigration.
The laws are established in our country, I expect them to be adhered to, nothing more nothing less. I am a far less proud American than you suppose Jay.
The only thing I have deluded myself to in this country is, I work hard, I pay my bills, I raise my family and I live in peace. I do not get in trouble with society and I do not tread on my neighbors who may or may not do any or all of the same things.
In a similar vein (pun intended), it's really no different from some peoples obsessions with pure bred dogs or thorough bred horses. Nevermind that the only pure breed of dog is a fucking wolf.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat