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2011-03-23 07:27:53
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Again I would like you to prove yet another horrendous claim about my personality ... I have never uttered even anything close to the bullshit you just came up with ...

Oh I forgot ... when you make idiotic statements like this the burden of proof isn't on you ...
I apologize I messed up, I meant to include just about everyone in BF2s in my comment, and not just you.

want proof? fine. go here and search the term racism, war monger, nazi, conservative, neo con........ and enjoy.


http://forums.bf2s.com/viewforum.php?id=15
You specifically mentioned ME and that anyone that disagreed with ME etc etc ... how is that messing up and meant to include bla bla bla?

You gotta straighten up your act lowing and stop pulling statements like that out of the hat ... the only thing you acheive with that is looking extremely stupid ...

That's the second time you targeted me with blatant lies in a very short time ... next time I'll give you a very long vacation from this forum!
sorry Varegg, as I said the last time, I do not jump to your threats.
Already told you I meant to include just about everyone on this board. Now if you think for one minute that charges of racism bigotry war mongering or being a nazi has not been used on this board as an argument, so be it, add it to the list of shit you want to remain in denial about.

Do I really really need to go digging for a post where you have thrown accusations or insinuated that the reason I felt the way I do is because I am a racist? Do really have to do that?
2011-03-23 07:33:41
Varegg
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I recollect calling a few of your statements facist and a few racist ... but have not used those terms about your general opinions like you just did with me ... fucking hell we have even agreed on a very few issues so stop being so fucking paranoid ...

And I'm obviously not the one in denial here, but keep pushing it lowing ...

That personal attacks occour is nothing new, and if reported it gets handled by a moderator ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2011-03-23 07:48:22
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

I recollect calling a few of your statements facist and a few racist ... but have not used those terms about your general opinions like you just did with me ... fucking hell we have even agreed on a very few issues so stop being so fucking paranoid ...

And I'm obviously not the one in denial here, but keep pushing it lowing ...

That personal attacks occour is nothing new, and if reported it gets handled by a moderator ...
Then what are you up in arms about, when you will sit there and admit that you have posted that you think I my opinion is racist, rather than argue against what I said?

Where in the world did paranoia come into play? I said this board routinely throws racism bigotry nazism etc... as reasons for a belief that differs from their own. You just included yourself in that discription.
2011-03-23 08:05:52
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I recollect calling a few of your statements facist and a few racist ... but have not used those terms about your general opinions like you just did with me ... fucking hell we have even agreed on a very few issues so stop being so fucking paranoid ...

And I'm obviously not the one in denial here, but keep pushing it lowing ...

That personal attacks occour is nothing new, and if reported it gets handled by a moderator ...
Then what are you up in arms about, when you will sit there and admit that you have posted that you think I my opinion is racist, rather than argue against what I said?

Where in the world did paranoia come into play? I said this board routinely throws racism bigotry nazism etc... as reasons for a belief that differs from their own. You just included yourself in that discription.
Now you are getting ahead of yourself again ... notice I used the term "a few of your statements" not all of them ... and the few times I have used those terms they have been followed by an explanation, not thrown around with ease like you seem to think ... and it's also not correct that this forum use terms like that on a regular basis, that's a clear overstatement ... if you feel you are targeted more than what's normal you may consider that your opinions may be more extreme than what's normal, just saying you should take that into consideration ...
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2011-03-23 08:14:26
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I recollect calling a few of your statements facist and a few racist ... but have not used those terms about your general opinions like you just did with me ... fucking hell we have even agreed on a very few issues so stop being so fucking paranoid ...

And I'm obviously not the one in denial here, but keep pushing it lowing ...

That personal attacks occour is nothing new, and if reported it gets handled by a moderator ...
Then what are you up in arms about, when you will sit there and admit that you have posted that you think I my opinion is racist, rather than argue against what I said?

Where in the world did paranoia come into play? I said this board routinely throws racism bigotry nazism etc... as reasons for a belief that differs from their own. You just included yourself in that discription.
Now you are getting ahead of yourself again ... notice I used the term "a few of your statements" not all of them ... and the few times I have used those terms they have been followed by an explanation, not thrown around with ease like you seem to think ... and it's also not correct that this forum use terms like that on a regular basis, that's a clear overstatement ... if you feel you are targeted more than what's normal you may consider that your opinions may be more extreme than what's normal, just saying you should take that into consideration ...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 8#p2809358

well so much for that theory.

and as I said before, if tyou honestly believe what I said only happens on the rare occation then I suggest you search those terms for yourself. Maybe you will change your mind.

I am targeted, more time than not, when I post, I get attacked and the post not addressed, however, I do not stand alone. That is a common theme on this foum for anyone on this forum that holds similar conservative POV's. I really wouldn't have it any other way, actually, reading outrage by people like Jay or Nic by my mere presence is quite entertaining. Remember, "if you can't keep a level head......................"  What it should read is, "If you can't keep a level head OR you are a conservative, then DST might not be for you"
2011-03-23 08:25:17
Varegg
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Nice proof you dug up there, a 1,5 year old post that clearly is meant to be sarcastic ...

With that said I totally agree with you on the issue of adressing the content of the post and not the poster ... in DST those are however closer than normal seeing as the posts most often are personal opinions ...

And conservative views are not the issue here, many liberals and or moderates for example have conservative views on some issues ...
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2011-03-23 09:12:26
lowing
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Varegg wrote:



Nice proof you dug up there, a 1,5 year old post that clearly is meant to be sarcastic ...

With that said I totally agree with you on the issue of adressing the content of the post and not the poster ... in DST those are however closer than normal seeing as the posts most often are personal opinions ...

And conservative views are not the issue here, many liberals and or moderates for example have conservative views on some issues ...
I didn't know there were time restraints on posts, typing in key words, it was one of the first to come up. So I used it, mainly in an attempt to put as little time into it as needed. I am not surprised however that it doesn't count.
2011-03-23 09:17:25
tuckergustav
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This isn't the varegg vs. lowing thread.  Back on topic, yes?  Thanks fellas.
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2011-03-23 13:14:39
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Kmar wrote:

lowing wrote:


apologized yes, true feelings revealed also....yes.
Marine Le Pen, the 42-year-old leader of France’s anti-immigration National Front
I don't think it was a big secret man..lol
hence the thread, I doubt this problem ends on that island.
You do realise Le Pen is practically a Nazi....?

His equivalent in the UK would be someone like Nick Griffin.

These are far right extremist groups, far from being mainstream opinion.
2011-03-23 15:23:52
lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmar wrote:

lowing wrote:

apologized yes, true feelings revealed also....yes.
I don't think it was a big secret man..lol
hence the thread, I doubt this problem ends on that island.
You do realise Le Pen is practically a Nazi....?

His equivalent in the UK would be someone like Nick Griffin.

These are far right extremist groups, far from being mainstream opinion.
There ya go Varegg, and  I didn't even have to leave the thread.
2011-03-23 18:50:59
Spark
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Go do some reading on Le Pen. He is actually a cut-and-dried nutjob, we aren't kidding here.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2011-03-23 22:03:23
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


hence the thread, I doubt this problem ends on that island.
You do realise Le Pen is practically a Nazi....?

His equivalent in the UK would be someone like Nick Griffin.

These are far right extremist groups, far from being mainstream opinion.
There ya go Varegg, and  I didn't even have to leave the thread.
Is your name Le Pen??

Would explain a lot, but I don't believe it.
2011-03-24 00:48:10
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


hence the thread, I doubt this problem ends on that island.
You do realise Le Pen is practically a Nazi....?

His equivalent in the UK would be someone like Nick Griffin.

These are far right extremist groups, far from being mainstream opinion.
There ya go Varegg, and  I didn't even have to leave the thread.
Calling Le Pen a nazi may be stretching it a bit but really he's not that far of tbh ... neither is his daughter ...

I would like for you to read more about Le Pen lowing and then say you agree or disagree with his views ...
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2011-03-24 07:44:31
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

You do realise Le Pen is practically a Nazi....?

His equivalent in the UK would be someone like Nick Griffin.

These are far right extremist groups, far from being mainstream opinion.
There ya go Varegg, and  I didn't even have to leave the thread.
Calling Le Pen a nazi may be stretching it a bit but really he's not that far of tbh ... neither is his daughter ...

I would like for you to read more about Le Pen lowing and then say you agree or disagree with his views ...
Already read the Wiki on him, to be honest I see a mirror to him and that of people on this board. For example.

He speaks his opinion of the immigration of Muslims into Europe, he is then a racist. He speaks of nationalism, he is then a fascist.

He speaks of the holocaust he is then anti-semite. I see no difference.

I did like Le Pen's quote though " I am not left or right, I am French"

I also like the quote from Pat Buchanan  "As it is often the criminal himself who is first to cry, "Thief!" so it is usually those who scream, "Fascist!" loudest who are the quickest to resort to anti-democratic tactics".

I can assure you I am not a Nazi, a war monger a racist, a neo- con, stupid, ignorant etc......

I am a person that wants immigration under control, I want crime under control, I want taxes under control, I want govt. out of my personal life. I do not care if same sexes marry, nor do I care to make abortion illegal.

None of this makes me a Nazi, a war monger or a racist, but I will never convince any of you that.

The worse anyone has on me is my views on Islam in the west. For this I am called a racist, ( still trying to figure out how Islam is a race but no matter). I have long admitted my views are hypocritical to the Constitution I live under. However, I can only say they did not write it with Islam in mind.

I can not help but think that Le Pen's unpopularity is a result of the same sort of rhetoric, of course on a larger scale.

They guy is a proud Frenchman that does not want his national identity to be absorbed with immigration, I can understand that.

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2011-03-24 07:54:11
Shocking
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Well nobody is disallowing him from expressing his opinion, really. He'll just have to live with the remarks and that the vast majority of France hates his guts.
inane little opines
2011-03-24 07:55:33
Jay
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Shocking wrote:

Well nobody is disallowing him from expressing his opinion, really. He'll just have to live with the remarks and that the vast majority of France hates his guts.
Same with the idiot that said Haiti was being punished for it's voodoo practices by god.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 07:58:13
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

Well nobody is disallowing him from expressing his opinion, really. He'll just have to live with the remarks and that the vast majority of France hates his guts.
No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
you just say loud enough and long enough then presto...he is a racist

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2011-03-24 08:03:16
Jay
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lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Well nobody is disallowing him from expressing his opinion, really. He'll just have to live with the remarks and that the vast majority of France hates his guts.
No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
He IS racist lowing. He's a xenophobe. Being proud of being French to the point that you look down on everyone else is indeed racist. It's no different from Hitler and his obsession with Aryans.

The irony here is that you act the same way and America has no nationality. We have no unified culture that needs defending. We're a mutt nation. Whether it's Irish, Germans, Scots-Irish, Poles, Italians, Blacks, Hispanics, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians or whatever else, people from every nation in the world have helped build whatever it is that passes for culture in this nation. If you don't see this then maybe it's time you left whatever rural bumfuck town you call home. This nation is huge and diverse. It's not monolithic. It never has been, nor should it ever be. Your obsession is with a Leave It To Beaver world that never existed in reality. Let it go.

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 08:06:39
Shocking
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lowing wrote:

No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
you just say loud enough and long enough then presto...he is a racist
He uses the word foreigner as a derogatory remark, regardless of wether or not the person has been born in and lived all his life in France. According to him they're "not french" because of foreign ancestry.

If that isn't hateful then what is?
inane little opines
2011-03-24 08:11:48
Jay
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
you just say loud enough and long enough then presto...he is a racist
He uses the word foreigner as a derogatory remark, regardless of wether or not the person has been born in and lived all his life in France. According to him they're "not french" because of foreign ancestry.

If that isn't hateful then what is?
And even that douchebag has nothing to defend. It's not like French culture has stayed static for the past fifteen hundred years. He's defending a single derivative, a mere point in time, and holding it up as some virtuous past that needs defending. Fuck that. Even the French language isn't the same as it was fifty years ago. That doesn't make today's version of the language better, or worse, just different.

People like him simply hate change. Maybe they have OCD. Maybe they just enjoy playing the victim. Whatever the case may be, the whiny buggers should be ignored.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 08:12:46
lowing
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Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Well nobody is disallowing him from expressing his opinion, really. He'll just have to live with the remarks and that the vast majority of France hates his guts.
No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
He IS racist lowing. He's a xenophobe. Being proud of being French to the point that you look down on everyone else is indeed racist. It's no different from Hitler and his obsession with Aryans.

The irony here is that you act the same way and America has no nationality. We have no unified culture that needs defending. We're a mutt nation. Whether it's Irish, Germans, Scots-Irish, Poles, Italians, Blacks, Hispanics, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians or whatever else, people from every nation in the world have helped build whatever it is that passes for culture in this nation. If you don't see this then maybe it's time you left whatever rural bumfuck town you call home. This nation is huge and diverse. It's not monolithic. It never has been, nor should it ever be. Your obsession is with a Leave It To Beaver world that never existed in reality. Let it go.
I act the same way? Don't recall advocating rounding up anyone for extermination, and only advocate rounding up illegal aliens for deportation, not the gas chamber. Your post is a prime example of what I just said.

  I know what our country is made up of, Jay, believe it or not, I have been around the block a time or 2. I dare say lived in more places than you have even.

I am the one that speaks of all of us being an American, in a nation that wants to divide itself into sub categories of hispanic American, Asian American, African American, Muslim American so please do not do lecture me on diversity, lecture those that want to be seen more than just an American.

I will also add, from reading your posts, you have more hate and anger built up than I ever have.

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2011-03-24 08:13:53
lowing
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Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
you just say loud enough and long enough then presto...he is a racist
He uses the word foreigner as a derogatory remark, regardless of wether or not the person has been born in and lived all his life in France. According to him they're "not french" because of foreign ancestry.

If that isn't hateful then what is?
Well is there not an argument for that in the context of maintaining a national identity? France is FRANCE..It isn't the USA who found its roots made up of people from all over the world

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2011-03-24 08:17:54
lowing
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Jay wrote:

Shocking wrote:

lowing wrote:

No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
you just say loud enough and long enough then presto...he is a racist
He uses the word foreigner as a derogatory remark, regardless of wether or not the person has been born in and lived all his life in France. According to him they're "not french" because of foreign ancestry.

If that isn't hateful then what is?
And even that douchebag has nothing to defend. It's not like French culture has stayed static for the past fifteen hundred years. He's defending a single derivative, a mere point in time, and holding it up as some virtuous past that needs defending. Fuck that. Even the French language isn't the same as it was fifty years ago. That doesn't make today's version of the language better, or worse, just different.

People like him simply hate change. Maybe they have OCD. Maybe they just enjoy playing the victim. Whatever the case may be, the whiny buggers should be ignored.
Who would like change that is viewed as for the worse? He is guilty of being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE. Nothing more.

Do you call a Muslim fighting for Islamic identity a racist? How about a proud black guy? Is he also a racist? Yet this guy is a proud Frenchman, and he is a racist. Go figure
2011-03-24 08:18:01
Jay
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lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:


No doubt he is hated. Everyone has convinced themselves he is a racist, good thing proof is not required to hate huh?
He IS racist lowing. He's a xenophobe. Being proud of being French to the point that you look down on everyone else is indeed racist. It's no different from Hitler and his obsession with Aryans.

The irony here is that you act the same way and America has no nationality. We have no unified culture that needs defending. We're a mutt nation. Whether it's Irish, Germans, Scots-Irish, Poles, Italians, Blacks, Hispanics, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians or whatever else, people from every nation in the world have helped build whatever it is that passes for culture in this nation. If you don't see this then maybe it's time you left whatever rural bumfuck town you call home. This nation is huge and diverse. It's not monolithic. It never has been, nor should it ever be. Your obsession is with a Leave It To Beaver world that never existed in reality. Let it go.
I act the same way? Don't recall advocating rounding up anyone for extermination, and only advocate rounding up illegal aliens for deportation, not the gas chamber. Your post is a prime example of what I just said.

  I know what our country is made up of, Shocking, believe it or not, I have been around the block a time or 2. I dare say lived in more places than you have even.

I am the one that speaks of all of us being an American, in a nation that wants to divide itself into sub categories of hispanic American, Asian American, African American, Muslim American so please do not do lecture me on diversity, lecture those that want to be seen more than just an American.
If they want to subdivide themselves who cares? It makes them bigots. I'd much rather the diversity of thought and culture remain in place than to force some vanilla all engrossing structure on everyone.

Southerners are different from Northerners. Different food, different music, different pace. Does it make either of us less American? No. I think what you really desire is for everyone to be a clone so you could live a blessed vanilla existence until you die. How boring.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-03-24 08:19:17
Jay
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lowing wrote:

Jay wrote:

Shocking wrote:


He uses the word foreigner as a derogatory remark, regardless of wether or not the person has been born in and lived all his life in France. According to him they're "not french" because of foreign ancestry.

If that isn't hateful then what is?
And even that douchebag has nothing to defend. It's not like French culture has stayed static for the past fifteen hundred years. He's defending a single derivative, a mere point in time, and holding it up as some virtuous past that needs defending. Fuck that. Even the French language isn't the same as it was fifty years ago. That doesn't make today's version of the language better, or worse, just different.

People like him simply hate change. Maybe they have OCD. Maybe they just enjoy playing the victim. Whatever the case may be, the whiny buggers should be ignored.
Who would like change that is viewed as for the worse? He is guilty of being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE. Nothing more.

Do you call a Muslim fighting for Islamic identity a racist? How about a proud black guy? Is he also a racist? Yet this guy is a proud Frenchman, and he is a racist. Go figure
Yes. They're racist if they are separating themselves and placing themselves above others based on race.

And being a proud Frenchman IN FRANCE is pretty funny considering his ancestors were probably German
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

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