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lowing wrote:

The land everyone is so up in arms about is a sliver of land that, before the Jews got there, was mostly desolate waste land.

Apart from Jerusalem and a few other places....

Most of California is still wasteland so your argument fails.

Now how about we take a look at that map and see just how much previous wasteland of the ME the Jews live in, then lets discuss how it is too much for the muslims Californians to tolerate.

Fixed.

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

The land everyone is so up in arms about is a sliver of land that, before the Jews got there, was mostly desolate waste land.

Apart from Jerusalem and a few other places....

Most of California is still wasteland so your argument fails.

Now how about we take a look at that map and see just how much previous wasteland of the ME the Jews live in, then lets discuss how it is too much for the muslims Californians to tolerate.

Fixed.

Leave San Francisco and LA out of this.



so again are we gunna pull up that map of the ME and see just how much wasteland the Muslims can not tolerate the Jews living in?

lowing wrote:

so again are we gunna pull up that map of the ME and see just how much wasteland the Muslims can not tolerate the Jews living in?

Doesn't matter, its their wasteland, and the jews were tolerated just fine until they started cleansing the Palestinians from it.

How about your state gives a little sliver to the Jews? I'm sure it can spare it.
Starting with your home and land, your neighbours, whatever they decide is theirs.

Then we won't have to deal with the Israel problem, it'll be your problem.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-20 05:47:09)

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

so again are we gunna pull up that map of the ME and see just how much wasteland the Muslims can not tolerate the Jews living in?

Want me to pull up a map of Palestine that the Israelis can't tolerate Palestinians living in?

you already did that, now lets take a look at the big picture

You can't justify genocide by saying "but look at the big picture".

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

so again are we gunna pull up that map of the ME and see just how much wasteland the Muslims can not tolerate the Jews living in?

Doesn't matter, its their wasteland, and the jews were tolerated just fine until they started cleansing the Palestinians from it.

How about your state gives a little sliver to the Jews? I'm sure it can spare it.
Starting with your home and land, your neighbours, whatever they decide is theirs.

Then we won't have to deal with the Israel problem, it'll be your problem.

Ohhh it doesn't matter, Islamic intolerance of ANYONE doesn't matter, the fact that the land was useless ( before the Jews showed up ) doesn't matter, the fact that the Muslims after a bazillion years, never did shit with it except fight over it, doesn't matter.

Sure, give useless wasteland to the Jews, have them develop it, and contribute to the economic cycle. I don't care.

MAybe they can do something with New Orleans. No one other culture has.

lowing wrote:

Ohhh it doesn't matter, Islamic intolerance of ANYONE doesn't matter, the fact that the land was useless ( before the Jews showed up ) doesn't matter, the fact that the Muslims after a bazillion years, never did shit with it except fight over it, doesn't matter.

I'm sure someone else could make better use of your home than you.
Someone educated, professional, entrepreneurial.

Start packing, go live in the woods, you have to make way for your genetic superior, think of the big picture.

They're wiping them out steadily enough.

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ohhh it doesn't matter, Islamic intolerance of ANYONE doesn't matter, the fact that the land was useless ( before the Jews showed up ) doesn't matter, the fact that the Muslims after a bazillion years, never did shit with it except fight over it, doesn't matter.

I'm sure someone else could make better use of your home than you.
Someone educated, professional, entrepreneurial.

Start packing, go live in the woods, you have to make way for your genetic superior, think of the big picture.

lol, more insults dilbert? shame on you, you know how much I hurt when personally attacked.

Spark wrote:

TBH lowing there's only so much in terms of agriculture, development and industry that you can do with a tiny strip of barren desert.

and yet the Jews have not set out to conquer those that they have proven they could conquer in a week, for their resources

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Spark wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, and I'm probably leaning on your side of the argument, but it really has very little intrinsic value other than religious/cultural/historical value.

Dilbert and company are trying to portray the Jews as "invaders", "conquerers", mass murderers hell bent on 'genocide".

Is anything I pointed out,

1.  the size of the land mass in question ( most of it  useless before the Jews showed up),

2. the time taken for "genocide",

3.the lack of any REAL expansion in the interest of REAL "invasion" and "conquering"

4. the fact that the Jews actually gave land back to those they were just at war with,

5. the fact that IF the Jews were interested in conquering, they could do so in less than a week ( as PROVEN )

consistent with the description of any nation that was really hell bent on 'invasion" "conquering" and "genocide" ?

Last edited by lowing (2011-03-20 06:38:33)

Spark wrote:

1.  the size of the land mass in question ( most of it  useless before the Jews showed up),

Well I suppose I deserve to look like a tosser for not reading the thread properly. Oh well.

Ya lost me Spark....

I am speaking of the size of the land in question compared to the entire ME. Hardly land significant enough for a blood thirsty nation committed to "invasion" "conquering" and "genocide".

AussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Ethnic cleansing then?

How would you describe the Palestinian homes being bulldozed and replaced by Israeli settlements for decades?

Neither.

One involves the mass killing of people based on their ethnicity (genocide).

The other involves the displacement out of a given area of a people based on their ethnicity (ethnic cleansing).

While what Israel is doing is close to the latter, it's not the same. The Pals are still there. They just don't have a homeland.

One involves the mass killing of people based on their ethnicity (genocide).

Yes, Palestinian.

The other involves the displacement out of a given area of a people based on their ethnicity (ethnic cleansing).

Palestinians are displaced. Take a look at the map. Read up on the number of Palestinian refugees.

How can you say that it is close? It isn't ethnic cleansing until they are all gone?

Facts don't support either argument. The Palestinian population has steadily grown over the years, despite your claims of Israeli "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing". If the Israelis were doing either, they are failing miserably.

lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, and I'm probably leaning on your side of the argument, but it really has very little intrinsic value other than religious/cultural/historical value.

Dilbert and company are trying to portray the Jews as "invaders", "conquerers", mass murderers hell bent on 'genocide".

Is anything I pointed out,

1.  the size of the land mass in question ( most of it  useless before the Jews showed up),

2. the time taken for "genocide",

3.the lack of any REAL expansion in the interest of REAL "invasion" and "conquering"

4. the fact that the Jews actually gave land back to those they were just at war with,

5. the fact that IF the Jews were interested in conquering, they could do so in less than a week ( as PROVEN )

consistent with the description of any nation that was really hell bent on 'invasion" "conquering" and "genocide" ?

The size doesn't matter, its the fact its the Palestinians entire country - that there are other neighbouring arab countries is irrelevant.
Israel has effectively doubled or more in size since its foundation.

As I said, I'm sure there is someone who could make better use of your property - clearly you should think about the big picture and meekly hand it over.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-20 23:55:35)