Thats what I was saying, the direction Iraq is heading.FEOS wrote:
The Saudis are only worried about Iraq in regards to Iran. It's all about keeping Iran's influence limited.Commie Killer wrote:
If I were the Saudis I'd be more worried about Iraq, then again, they cant really do much about it. Kudos to them for jumping into Bahrain though.
Which actions would those be?Shahter wrote:
judging by US actions, they certainly need this.FEOS wrote:
Nobody "needs" this. Some things happen spontaneously in this world.
The EU is pushing for action in Libya much harder than the US is. Because their interests lie there...ours do not, beyond containing Daffy's WMD stockpiles.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
eleven bravo wrote:
they cant afford the gum either, just the wrappers.
I seriously doubt Gaddafi can be brought down. He is a good tactician (he was trained in English war schools) and has a modern and loyal armed force behind him. Unless some world power decides to actively intervene (starting with, lets say, a no-fly zone?) he will regain control.
But also, I hope he can maintain his power, now that he is no longer funding terrorism. Libya prospered under his rule. He took down a corrupt and oppressive regime that was completely pupeteered by the English at the time. The people of Libya came from one of the poorest in Africa to the top. That's right, Libya has the best human development indexes in Africa (its better than here, in Brazil) and as far as I've heard a decent wealth distribution that exists in no other petroleum-rich state.
Gadaffi is a dictator, but I doubt these rebels will do any good to Libya if they reach power. Specially if they are fundamentalists...
But also, I hope he can maintain his power, now that he is no longer funding terrorism. Libya prospered under his rule. He took down a corrupt and oppressive regime that was completely pupeteered by the English at the time. The people of Libya came from one of the poorest in Africa to the top. That's right, Libya has the best human development indexes in Africa (its better than here, in Brazil) and as far as I've heard a decent wealth distribution that exists in no other petroleum-rich state.
Gadaffi is a dictator, but I doubt these rebels will do any good to Libya if they reach power. Specially if they are fundamentalists...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
And Saudi oppression of their own people in an extremist islamic country which spawned AQ and 9/11?Turquoise wrote:
Apparently, American fervor for doing something about Saudi Arabia's actions in Bahrain along with the oppression of Bahrain's government against their rebels is much lower.
Funny that.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
of course. as long as they play by the rules, no need to destabilise them.Turquoise wrote:
Apparently, American fervor for doing something about Saudi Arabia's actions in Bahrain along with the oppression of Bahrain's government against their rebels is much lower.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
http://www.universetoday.com/31438/scie … ave-earth/Shahter wrote:
nah, we simply keep our heads out of the sand here. try it sometime.FEOS wrote:
So are Russian tinfoil hats thicker than other styles?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110208/us_ … _april2036
crack pots
Xbone Stormsurgezz
should i link you to stuff about similar loonies you have in the land of the free and the brave?.. nah, i'm sure you can find those yourself.Kmar wrote:
http://www.universetoday.com/31438/scie … ave-earth/Shahter wrote:
nah, we simply keep our heads out of the sand here. try it sometime.FEOS wrote:
So are Russian tinfoil hats thicker than other styles?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110208/us_ … _april2036
crack pots
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
You see, I wasn't the one claiming that we "simply keep our heads out of the sand".Shahter wrote:
should i link you to stuff about similar loonies you have in the land of the free and the brave?.. nah, i'm sure you can find those yourself.Kmar wrote:
http://www.universetoday.com/31438/scie … ave-earth/Shahter wrote:
nah, we simply keep our heads out of the sand here. try it sometime.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110208/us_ … _april2036
crack pots
Nice try though.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
of course you wasn't. because... well... you don't. but don't worry, it's okay - it makes you kinda predictable, though, which is not so good for discussion.Kmar wrote:
You see, I wasn't the one claiming that we "simply keep our heads out of the sand".Shahter wrote:
should i link you to stuff about similar loonies you have in the land of the free and the brave?.. nah, i'm sure you can find those yourself.Kmar wrote:
http://www.universetoday.com/31438/scientist-claims-ufo-collided-with-tunguska-meteorite-to-save-earth/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110208/us_ … _april2036
crack pots
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Putting your foot in your mouth isn't good for discussion neither.Shahter wrote:
of course you wasn't. because... well... you don't. but don't worry, it's okay - it makes you kinda predictable, though, which is not so good for discussion.Kmar wrote:
You see, I wasn't the one claiming that we "simply keep our heads out of the sand".Shahter wrote:
should i link you to stuff about similar loonies you have in the land of the free and the brave?.. nah, i'm sure you can find those yourself.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
absolutely. every time feos and the likes do that i feel kinda dissapointed - i do know thay can do better, but for some reason they keep firing the same beaten cliches over and over again. hence the comment about the head in the sand.Kmar wrote:
Putting your foot in your mouth isn't good for discussion neither.Shahter wrote:
of course you wasn't. because... well... you don't. but don't worry, it's okay - it makes you kinda predictable, though, which is not so good for discussion.Kmar wrote:
You see, I wasn't the one claiming that we "simply keep our heads out of the sand".
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
I agree with that, with his first reply. He is capable of more. His following remarks were a little more comprehensive.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
this is a joke, right?Shahter wrote:
beaten cliches over and over again.
Tu Stultus Es
well... let' get to the basics which divide us here shall we? all "usa. fuck, yeah!"-ers in one way ot another base their rethorics on the following:
1. democracratic is always the best form of government.
2. people want democracy.
3. usa want everybody to be democratic because it's good and so it supports and spreads democracy around the world because it's the righ thing to do.
all three are obvious bullshit - the whole history of human civilization is one enourmous piece of evidence to that - yet people here keep throwing it at me as if it's actually been established as a fact. well... it's good for lulz but not for much of anything else.
1. democracratic is always the best form of government.
2. people want democracy.
3. usa want everybody to be democratic because it's good and so it supports and spreads democracy around the world because it's the righ thing to do.
all three are obvious bullshit - the whole history of human civilization is one enourmous piece of evidence to that - yet people here keep throwing it at me as if it's actually been established as a fact. well... it's good for lulz but not for much of anything else.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Never claimed any of those were true. I'm not an American either, but I'm not going to deny facts of history. If you believe there are ulterior motives to the situation in Libya and much of the ME or why Saddam was removed, you're being deliberately ignorant.
inane little opines
He keeps claiming ulterior motives, claiming those of us who don't agree there are ulterior motives "have our heads in the sand," yet offers zero in the way of analysis or fact to support his position. To borrow a phrase:
but don't worry, it's okay - it makes (him) kinda predictable, though, which is not so good for discussion.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
eleven bravo wrote:
this is a joke, right?Shahter wrote:
beaten cliches over and over again.
um, that sounds almost like authorization for a no fly zone.. becauseForeign Secretary, William Hague, says draft UN Libya resolution calls for 'all necessary measures' short of an occupation force..
oh yea, and.. "Obama administration seeks U.N. resolution authorizing wide range of strikes in Libya."Al Jazeera, citing witnesses, reports heavy bombardment of residential areas of Ajdabiyah in east Libya
Xbone Stormsurgezz
but of course! now al jazeera has suddenly become a reliable source of information. un doesn't seem so worthless as well. what happened? did your balls drop off? (c)
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Depends on who you are talking to ... it sure can't be Kmar, he's quite a dawg when it comes to news, and unlike many others he seeks plenty of sources not just one ...Shahter wrote:
but of course! now al jazeera has suddenly become a reliable source of information. un doesn't seem so worthless as well. what happened? did your balls drop off? (c)
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
His entire bag of rhetoric and retorts is based on assumptions. Multiple sources, including the Red Cross have reported on the civilian casualties.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
civilian casualties. during what is essentially a civil war. that's... unusual. and the way to fix that? - yeah, impose a no-fly zone which is going to... level the playing field.Kmar wrote:
Multiple sources, including the Red Cross have reported on the civilian casualties.
/facepalm
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
the sad part is you dont realize how funny/lame/stupid you sound everytime you post
Tu Stultus Es
its like youve read all 5 volumes of "How to be a russian stereotype" by ivan somethingvich drago
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