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War Man wrote:

Karbin wrote:

War Man wrote:

Not unless that person not asking for much sucks too much.

As I posted before; Seen a plant move from here to Alabama. From there to Mexico. After some checking it's now moved the work China.
Always some one will do the work cheaper.

That is a business moving different thing than finding a different employee. Some companies prefer quality over quantity anyway.

Got a question for you, how exactly does a right to work state effect education anyway? Teachers are still gonna be part of the union anyways.

I'm sure, that in your home, you would want quality electrical equipment. You know...like breakers, breaker panels, wall plugs, light fixtures, wiring, extension lines.... oh yes and the wiring in your car as well. Just a very small list of the things Smith&Stone/ABB made here.

Last edited by Karbin (2011-03-12 21:15:37)

As for your teachers and from your source:
It would appear that "right to work states" by in large have a lower score. I'll leave it you to decide why.
My belief is that that's where all the "I don't want to be in a union" people go.
As you pointed out, talent go's where the money is.

Last edited by Karbin (2011-03-12 21:16:31)

War Man wrote:

Or the teachers are union and they suck

You asked about the "right to work states", I would not assume that all the teachers ARE in a union.

Karbin wrote:

As for your teachers and from your source:
It would appear that "right to work states" by in large have a lower score. I'll leave it you to decide why.
My belief is that that's where all the "I don't want to be in a union" people go.
As you pointed out, talent go's where the money is.

I was in a union for a long time. I was also on the opposite side in management for awhile. Some of my responsibilities were discipling the company screwups. I can personally attest to the fact that unions are the best thing to ever happen to people without skill or work ethic. As a matter of fact, most of what a union does is protect bad employees. Bargaining only comes up every few years when a contract has expired. The union protects the weak and the lazy often because they consistently screw up. The successful hard working people never need their shop stewards, or the union when it comes to performance. If you aren't good at what you do, you want to be in a union, which btw, you can in a right to work state. Those scores aren't an indicative performance comparison between union vs nonunion workers at all.

Karbin wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

still wondering what rights have been violated.  CBA is NOT a right since unions are not a constitutional right.

Nor is your "right to vote" in the Constitution..
Both are excepted as right's in law.
http://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/employee-rights

oh ffs.  right the vote is not the same as crying for more sick pay.  get real and get over yourself.

11 Bravo wrote:

btw a little over 7mil worth of damage to the statehouse in madison already.  gj protestors.

heh, someone's been watching fox. those idiots taped signs up to the marble facade - it would be 7 mil if they replaced it, not cleaned it.

L2foxnews . . .

11 Bravo wrote:

burnzz wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

btw a little over 7mil worth of damage to the statehouse in madison already.  gj protestors.

heh, someone's been watching fox. those idiots taped signs up to the marble facade - it would be 7 mil if they replaced it, not cleaned it.

L2foxnews . . .

nope.  not been watching fox but thank you.  they were talking about the outside also...burns.  refute it then with facts.  kthx.

back to ee, sir

ok - believe what you will, but does 7 million to remove taped up signs seem a little high to you?

wtf, are they going to hire union people to take them down?

Kmar wrote:

Karbin wrote:

As for your teachers and from your source:
It would appear that "right to work states" by in large have a lower score. I'll leave it you to decide why.
My belief is that that's where all the "I don't want to be in a union" people go.
As you pointed out, talent go's where the money is.

I was in a union for a long time. I was also on the opposite side in management for awhile. Some of my responsibilities were discipling the company screwups. I can personally attest to the fact that unions are the best thing to ever happen to people without skill or work ethic. As a matter of fact, most of what a union does is protect bad employees. Bargaining only comes up every few years when a contract has expired. The union protects the weak and the lazy often because they consistently screw up. The successful hard working people never need their shop stewards, or the union when it comes to performance. If you aren't good at what you do, you want to be in a union, which btw, you can in a right to work state. Those scores aren't an indicative performance comparison between union vs nonunion workers at all.

This looks familiar

ok 347K then.......plus all the cops and shit?  pffftt...i know for unions money is no object but for those of us in the real world...

maybe they should pay for it then, eh?  what about all the grass and shit that is destroyed also?  they gonna re-sod that or leave it up to the taxpayer as they normally do?

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11 Bravo wrote:

Karbin wrote:

Get over yourself.
Both are laws. Both are not in the Constitution.

actually you are dead wrong.  because now it is law that they dont have the CBA.  pwned.

From the NLRB:
The law also protects employees rights to act together, with or without a union, to improve working trems and conditions, including wages and benefits. These are known a protected concerted activities.

As I said before.... Could be used as a challenge.

Fed trumps State.

Back to you

Last edited by Karbin (2011-03-13 16:12:45)

JohnG@lt wrote:

Karbin wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

actually you are dead wrong.  because now it is law that they dont have the CBA.  pwned.

From the NLRB:
The law also protects employees rights to act together, with or without a union, to improve working terms and conditions, including wages and benefits. These are known a protected concerted activities.

As I said before.... Could be used as a challenge.

Fed trumps State.

Back to you

Nope. We have many right to work states. There's nothing on the books that requires a state to collectively bargain at the federal level. Non-Right-to-Work states usually have collective bargaining built into their state constitution. Nothing at the federal level.

The United States is not Canada nor do we want to be. You like your union, fine, now stop trying to 'educate' us.

For a start your not a right to work state...yet. That, to me opens the door for a challenge
As I said before, state and fed employees, can not use the NLRB to adjudicate their CBA when one is in effect. So the quote from the NLRB as I said...Could be used for a challenge.
The NLRB is Federal agency under the Department of Labor
Again Fed trumps State.

JohnG@lt wrote:

You like your union, fine, now stop trying to 'educate' us.

Only when you stop trying to 'educate' me on how great it is NOT to have a union.
I've posted why before from personal experience.
Unless you think an employer should be able to slowly kill their staff or, pull scam rip-offs and receive kick-backs for employment?

Even Reagan supported unions.

Reagan!

Reagan busted PATCO and fired 11,000 air traffic controllers when they went on strike.