BF2S Forums for all of you anti- death penalty folks.

Death penalty doesn't really solve anything other than the need for revenge. Which to me seems a pretty short term effect for the victims dealing with their problems.

Surely those two problems are just one problem. Keeping them in jail removes them from society, the death penalty just saves the money. However, when you sentence someone to death they don't just get marched out of the courtroom and placed up against a wall, wonder how long they spend on death row and waiting for appeals?

lowing wrote:

Nic wrote:

Meh, personally I think life in solitary confinement, in the dark would be worse, and fitting, but the death penalty would save money, if they would just do it, instead of waiting 20 years....
Nice inflammatory title anyway, god your a tool.

lol why is that? There are anti death penalty people that do not feel death penalty is right regardless of the crime. Human life is far too valuable and shit. I challenge that. How is that inflammatory?

Didn't read all the pages so apologies if repeating this:

As long as it is possible to mistaken/wrongly execute an innocent person, it is WRONG to execute anybody. End of debate on capital punishment.

I understand the emotional response those stories evoke but what about the emotional response to the families of innocent executed prisoners?
"OOPS sorry we killed your mom/dad/son etc because we thought he/she was guilty of murder" or any level of monetary remuneration could never come close to repairing the damage.
What would you say to your family if you were to be executed for a murder you didn't commit?

You remove the offending parties from society for life. Make them work off their debt to society within the prison walls. Minimal contact with outside world. I am not a believer that everyone can be rehabilitated. There are a lot of broken people that no amount of therapy will ever fix (like the guy due for release in Rhode Island.). I would add the people from your stories to the list.

Stubbee wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nic wrote:

Meh, personally I think life in solitary confinement, in the dark would be worse, and fitting, but the death penalty would save money, if they would just do it, instead of waiting 20 years....
Nice inflammatory title anyway, god your a tool.

lol why is that? There are anti death penalty people that do not feel death penalty is right regardless of the crime. Human life is far too valuable and shit. I challenge that. How is that inflammatory?

Didn't read all the pages so apologies if repeating this:

As long as it is possible to mistaken/wrongly execute an innocent person, it is WRONG to execute anybody. End of debate on capital punishment.

I understand the emotional response those stories evoke but what about the emotional response to the families of innocent executed prisoners?
"OOPS sorry we killed your mom/dad/son etc because we thought he/she was guilty of murder" or any level of monetary remuneration could never come close to repairing the damage.
What would you say to your family if you were to be executed for a murder you didn't commit?

You remove the offending parties from society for life. Make them work off their debt to society within the prison walls. Minimal contact with outside world. I am not a believer that everyone can be rehabilitated. There are a lot of broken people that no amount of therapy will ever fix (like the guy due for release in Rhode Island.). I would add the people from your stories to the list.

We discussed that actually. What we were talking about is indisputable proof and guilt without a doubt, over whelming evidence etc. etc.. So if we were gunna put someone to death, there would be no doubt of their guilt. I think with todays technology and forensics all doubt is removed from such cases. I mean they are going back and solving cases 100 years old with science now. New crimes with these technologies really should cut down on the reasonable doubt factor.

presidentsheep wrote:

Surely those two problems are just one problem. Keeping them in jail removes them from society, the death penalty just saves the money. However, when you sentence someone to death they don't just get marched out of the courtroom and placed up against a wall, wonder how long they spend on death row and waiting for appeals?

Why are we out to "solve problems"? We are taking out the trash nothing more.

eleven bravo wrote:

these types of thread are always funny. people love chiming in on how theyll torture and execute criminal X.  I guess they want live vicariously through the executuioner without leaving the comfort of their home or office

No you are trying to demonize pro death penalty folks, by saying they would enjoy killing. I suppose in lieu of a real argument, I dunno.

Fact is, pro death penalty people hold life very sacred, and view anyone that chooses to deny an innocent person of their life as someone that needs to be removed from society and not hidden away, but pay for their crime.

Under the law, guilty is guilty.  You can not say person A is "more" guilty than person B, if they have both been found guilty.  Regardless of the evidence.....

There is also a thing called "life without parole".. ^^

Spearhead wrote:

Under the law, guilty is guilty.  You can not say person A is "more" guilty than person B, if they have both been found guilty.  Regardless of the evidence.....

There is also a thing called "life without parole".. ^^

We talking about that as well. Merely being in jail, comfortable and routine is not punishment. Plenty of ex cons comit crimes to go back to jail where they are in their comfort zones.

As I said before, if that comfort zone is removed, and they are made to pay for their crimes in terms of anxiety, then fine life would be worse than death. But to merely hide them away, let them get into a routine, get comfortable in their existence then they are not being punished, all we did was remove all responsibility from them so we take care of them and leave them with nothing to worry about. in my opinion that is not punishment enough.

Well, that is a problem within the criminal justice system.  Not my fault that some get out. 

For example, the guy who killed two cops in my town a couple of months ago served something like 15 years in prison.  Someone, somewhere, should've realized he was "institutionalized" and kept him locked away, or, at the very least, under closer watch.  I'll also add that the fact he easily got his hands on an Ak-47 is.... disturbing, to say the least.

Last edited by Spearhead (2011-03-12 13:22:27)

I think the system is fine.  It's supposed to be long to give some extra opportunities to appeal before putting the guy down.

For me, life in prison is much more cruel.

I think that argument is used by the anti death penalty crowd, to save useless lives. You are not interested in crueler punishment.

lowing wrote:

I think that argument is used by the anti death penalty crowd, to save useless lives. You are not interested in crueler punishment.

No.  Taking a life is a huge thing.  Make sure, then kill them as soon as possible.  For me, cruel-ness ratio: Life imprisonment > Life on death row > death.

The system is there and works fine.  I'm willing to let them appeal then kill them as soon as possible.

I certainly wouldn't want to be stuck in prison for life...I'd rather be dead.

If you're pissed, focus on the appeals process...making it faster.