Where's the logic in that? When they're dead you're done with it. I really can't be bothered in financing revenge.Burwhale wrote:
Wouldnt you think that a quick death was too good for these people, while a long miserable life being butt shagged by a guy called "Bubba" in the prison showers every week was a more fitting sentence?
Death is the easy way out.
There is an argument for that. However, I like the anticipation of death approach. they know they are going to die, and soon, thy can jut sit there waiting for it to happen for a while. A little suffering thrown in wouldn't cause me to loose any sleep either.Burwhale wrote:
Wouldnt you think that a quick death was too good for these people, while a long miserable life being butt shagged by a guy called "Bubba" in the prison showers every week was a more fitting sentence?
Death is the easy way out.
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All I am saying is that if some one interfered with a member of my family, I would want them to be punished. I am personally anti death penalty, but think that a life behind bars subject to the evil nature of other prisoners may be what they deserve.Shocking wrote:
Where's the logic in that? When they're dead you're done with it. I really can't be bothered in financing revenge.Burwhale wrote:
Wouldnt you think that a quick death was too good for these people, while a long miserable life being butt shagged by a guy called "Bubba" in the prison showers every week was a more fitting sentence?
Death is the easy way out.
so, someone kills your little girl, and all you want for them is a private room, 3 square meals a day a gym and a library for life? You don't want them to die for killing your child?Burwhale wrote:
All I am saying is that if some one interfered with a member of my family, I would want them to be punished. I am personally anti death penalty, but think that a life behind bars subject to the evil nature of other prisoners may be what they deserve.Shocking wrote:
Where's the logic in that? When they're dead you're done with it. I really can't be bothered in financing revenge.Burwhale wrote:
Wouldnt you think that a quick death was too good for these people, while a long miserable life being butt shagged by a guy called "Bubba" in the prison showers every week was a more fitting sentence?
Death is the easy way out.
Thats the logic. If that means revenge to you, then so be it. I also object to the fact that I could be paying tax to a government to find ways to kill its own citizens through capital punishment. Life behind bars is more punishment I think.
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yeah i agree, which is basically why in the end the cost factor does actually swing it for me.Shocking wrote:
Life behind bars is imo the most cruel thing you could do to an individual. Rather just kill them already instead of letting them wait 70 years till death. It's essentially a death penalty but somehow people have the illusion that it's "better".
I don't see the point in it either, is torturing them going to bring anyone you lost back? No. Going to make you feel better? Initially, I guess, but I doubt it.
People who would be deserving for the death penalty are deadweights to society and should simply be removed. If you're going to convict someone to life in prison you might as well just kill them, there is no actual difference in between the two actions.
Life behind bars is cruel only if you make it cruel. there are those criminals that get out of jail then comit crimes to get back in because for them life is easier when you have no responsibility.Shocking wrote:
Life behind bars is imo the most cruel thing you could do to an individual. Rather just kill them already instead of letting them wait 70 years till death. It's essentially a death penalty but somehow people have the illusion that it's "better".
I don't see the point in it either, is torturing them going to bring anyone you lost back? No. Going to make you feel better? Initially, I guess, but I doubt it.
People who would be deserving for the death penalty are deadweights to society and should simply be removed. If you're going to convict someone to life in prison you might as well just kill them, there is no actual difference in between the two actions.
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Thats right . Despite the items you mentioned above, never being able to do what you want, never going outside, slowly rotting in a place you hate, is much worse than the quick, kind death.lowing wrote:
so, someone kills your little girl, and all you want for them is a private room, 3 square meals a day a gym and a library for life? You don't want them to die for killing your child?
I completely agree.shocking wrote:
Life behind bars is imo the most cruel thing you could do to an individual. Rather just kill them already instead of letting them wait 70 years till death. It's essentially a death penalty but somehow people have the illusion that it's "better".
will you comment on my last post?Burwhale wrote:
Thats right . Despite the items you mentioned above, never being able to do what you want, never going outside, slowly rotting in a place you hate, is much worse than the quick, kind death.lowing wrote:
so, someone kills your little girl, and all you want for them is a private room, 3 square meals a day a gym and a library for life? You don't want them to die for killing your child?I completely agree.shocking wrote:
Life behind bars is imo the most cruel thing you could do to an individual. Rather just kill them already instead of letting them wait 70 years till death. It's essentially a death penalty but somehow people have the illusion that it's "better".
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I think there are far more criminals fighting to stay alive than begging for death in prison.Shocking wrote:
lowing, I don't think there's any worse torture than being locked up for life. You are completely disconnected from society and won't be able to do anything of value anymore in your life, having other people tell you what to do, when to do it and how for the rest of your remaining days. Personally I value my freedom quite a lot.
People convicted to life often attempt suicide and do request being killed, yeah, you may still get food 3 times a day but it's a pretty depressing existance.
Yes harsher punishment does something. It punishes harsher. I am not interested in rehabilitation for such people, I am interesting in them suffering.Shocking wrote:
Does harsher punishment actually do anything though? I don't think so.
Here we recently had to close prisons because there are too few criminals, yet I reckon our facilities are a lot better than in your average US prison.
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it doesn't do much, and for anyone you plan on releasing back into society, it arguably makes it worseShocking wrote:
Does harsher punishment actually do anything though? I don't think so.
Here we recently had to close prisons because there are too few criminals, yet I reckon our facilities are a lot better than in your average US prison.
really wasn't interested in releasing murderers, especially child killers, back into society....were you?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
it doesn't do much, and for anyone you plan on releasing back into society, it arguably makes it worseShocking wrote:
Does harsher punishment actually do anything though? I don't think so.
Here we recently had to close prisons because there are too few criminals, yet I reckon our facilities are a lot better than in your average US prison.
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nope, but some people call for subjecting even burglars to very harsh prison environments. I'm not saying they should get massages and hot tubs, but if you just throw a guy into a shit hole for 5 years and then let him out, do you honestly expect him to be any more improved?lowing wrote:
really wasn't interested in releasing murderers, especially child killers, back into society....were you?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
it doesn't do much, and for anyone you plan on releasing back into society, it arguably makes it worseShocking wrote:
Does harsher punishment actually do anything though? I don't think so.
Here we recently had to close prisons because there are too few criminals, yet I reckon our facilities are a lot better than in your average US prison.
The whole "I'd rather have them miserably rot in jail for life" argument extremely simple and pointless. How is it any better at all? You're basically doing the same thing - removing a person from society forever. What, then, is the point in making the person suffer for some 50 years first? Punishment, revenge, whatever, it's all pointless - nothing good comes from it.Burwhale wrote:
Wouldnt you think that a quick death was too good for these people, while a long miserable life being butt shagged by a guy called "Bubba" in the prison showers every week was a more fitting sentence?
Death is the easy way out.
Devil's advocate: a fetus hasn't done anything wrong, while a person up for the death penalty has.eleven bravo wrote:
cracks me up how you pro lifers are also pro death penalty. what a joke