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So basically,  if they had swapped medic and assault's weapons in BC2 y'all would be happy?

War Man wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

medics need assault rifles, but the assault class HAS to be more overpowered than the medic class. So people who want to kill will go assault, and those that want to heal/revive/light-medium fighting go medic. Medics shouldn't lead the charge.

did you not see me include weak assault carbines? Basically is an assault rifle.

yes, I was just saying shotguns or smgs is a bad idea.

and pistols will just make the class a walk over.

Assault should be the only class who gets points for capping.

Adams_BJ wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

yes, I was just saying shotguns or smgs is a bad idea.

and pistols will just make the class a walk over.

ok fine.  then no points for healing or reviving

but that removes their niche.

Just make them a poor frontline soldiers, not so much that they are useless in combat, just that you have to be a better player against say an assault class to win 1 on 1. Enough to stay alive and keep team mates alive is all.

ok...only points for heal, not revive

And reduce the damn accuracy for short barrel weapons at range.  How can SMG's and carbines be as accurate or more accurate than say an M16 at range.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

ok fine.  then no points for healing or reviving

but that removes their niche.

Just make them a poor frontline soldiers, not so much that they are useless in combat, just that you have to be a better player against say an assault class to win 1 on 1. Enough to stay alive and keep team mates alive is all.

Then the good players will always play assault. Hell, everyone will play assault if you make it like that. You can't make a class weaker just for 'flavor' because no one will play it except idiots who want to handicap themselves.

And what are most real squads made up of?

JohnG@lt wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

ok fine.  then no points for healing or reviving

but that removes their niche.

Just make them a poor frontline soldiers, not so much that they are useless in combat, just that you have to be a better player against say an assault class to win 1 on 1. Enough to stay alive and keep team mates alive is all.

Then the good players will always play assault. Hell, everyone will play assault if you make it like that. You can't make a class weaker just for 'flavor' because no one will play it except idiots who want to handicap themselves.

well i said either adjust the point system or give them limited weapons options. boo hoo if they leave.  we have enough medic karkand whores around here who think they are good.

Adams_BJ wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

but that removes their niche.

Just make them a poor frontline soldiers, not so much that they are useless in combat, just that you have to be a better player against say an assault class to win 1 on 1. Enough to stay alive and keep team mates alive is all.

Then the good players will always play assault. Hell, everyone will play assault if you make it like that. You can't make a class weaker just for 'flavor' because no one will play it except idiots who want to handicap themselves.

Thats the point though. If you wanna kill people go assault or sniper. If you wanna revive go medic, if  you wanna resupply go support etc etc.

Don't make all the classes useless on the killing field, just that the dedicated "shooters" should be more dominant, to reflect that they are its primary job

Umm, the point of the game is to kill other people. Healing/Reviving/Resupplying is not the primary job of any class, nor should it be. If it was, no one would play the class as it's not what they expect/want from a first person SHOOTER.

ebug9 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

ebug9 wrote:

Bring back 2pts per kill/revive/flagcap and 1pt for all other assists/heal/ammo.

So everyone goes back to medic whoring?

What's the difference between that and the 50/80 pts you get for it in BC2?

Medics are given a great reason to not act their role in BC2.... the LMG

JohnG@lt wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

ebug9 wrote:

What's the difference between that and the 50/80 pts you get for it in BC2?

Medics are given a great reason to not act their role in BC2.... the LMG

Floppy, go back in your closet.

No, he's quite right. If I want to kill lots of people in quick succession, an assault rifle pick I do not. I grab the M249, 200 bullets, one of the fastest firing in the game. 4-5 man sprays are not uncommon, compared to 2, maybe 3 with an AR.

They should give medics m4 carbines w/ iron sights and 4 mags. Give assault Scar-H's with a choice of a red dot or an ACOG and give em' 7 mags. This way the assault has harder hitting weapon, and would have the advantage in a firefight with a medic.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Then the good players will always play assault. Hell, everyone will play assault if you make it like that. You can't make a class weaker just for 'flavor' because no one will play it except idiots who want to handicap themselves.

Thats the point though. If you wanna kill people go assault or sniper. If you wanna revive go medic, if  you wanna resupply go support etc etc.

Don't make all the classes useless on the killing field, just that the dedicated "shooters" should be more dominant, to reflect that they are its primary job

Umm, the point of the game is to kill other people. Healing/Reviving/Resupplying is not the primary job of any class, nor should it be. If it was, no one would play the class as it's not what they expect/want from a first person SHOOTER.

If that's how you think of a game as diverse and open as battlefield, why have classes at all? Just make everyone assault, drop them on the map and play.

COD is a game that every class's first job is to KILL. BF series is so much more than killing. It involves teamwork along the lines of - Healing, resuplly, asset elimination, and asset repair.

Each requires a niche to be filled.

The only classes who's primary job is to kill is Assault and Sniper. People want to play the classes because it is an alternatve way of generating points other than killing, and to help the team along at the same time. You get points to compensate for the fact some of your time is used on something other than shooting the enemy, and to compensate that down time and reward you for doing your class's specific task. Its a tradeoff.

The only class it didn't work for in BF2 was medic, because it had all the killing power of assault as well as the extra points as medic.

Finray wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

Medics are given a great reason to not act their role in BC2.... the LMG

Floppy, go back in your closet.

No, he's quite right. If I want to kill lots of people in quick succession, an assault rifle pick I do not. I grab the M249, 200 bullets, one of the fastest firing in the game. 4-5 man sprays are not uncommon, compared to 2, maybe 3 with an AR.

JohnG@lt wrote:

So basically,  if they had swapped medic and assault's weapons in BC2 y'all would be happy?