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Jaekus wrote:

Yeah, but having it more like BC2 where you choose either rockets or mines would work well. I think it's more about streamlining them where practical than the number of classes tbh. Giving medics LMGs is still a little weird.

why does it need to be streamlined?  are the choices overwhelming?  More classes just means no single class is overpowered.

maybe they could focus more on inter-class specialization with unlocks.  example:  a medic could choose to be more offensively effective with an assault rifle and conversely less effective medically, with a longer delay between shock paddle charges or no shock paddles and only medic bags.  Or a medic could choose to be less offensively effective with a pump shotgun or SMG and be more effective with faster paddle charges and more medic bags available.

The G3 assault unlock in BF2 kinda approached this idea, as the G3 was more powerful at the expense of a grenade launcher.  But G3 has such a terrible sight picture and has such inconsistent accuracy that in never really worked.

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

The problem with the BF2 classes was there was just to much overlap.

Assault, Medic and Spec-Ops had tons of overlap in the weapon that they used. Assault however lacked a useful secondary ability, and so more people played medic.

which is sorta why i suggested sub-class specialization.  an inversed relationship between combat effectiveness and specialization would make players more considerate of what's needed for the squad and the team.

Hardly ever saw it being used for covering fire, though.

I'm not really talking about that so much is I hardly ever see anybody flatten out and just spray an area, hoping for kills. They pretty much pick their shots one or two bullets at a time with the LMG's. It's great for pinning down window snipers, though.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

If you want covering fire don't play arcade games, AKA Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Battlefield, etc.

I liked suppressing in BF2. It never worked but it was fun anyway.

Knock it off. I didn't say I WANTED it above anything else, I just said I didn't see a lot of it being done.

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

The problem with the BF2 classes was there was just to much overlap.

Assault, Medic and Spec-Ops had tons of overlap in the weapon that they used. Assault however lacked a useful secondary ability, and so more people played medic.

Engi and AT were both shitty on their own. The AT was too focused on destroying vehicles, that when there wasn't an enemy vehicle wrecking havoc, people wouldn't play as AT, which would cause a big problem when a vehicle did appear. Engineer was even worse, as he was completely useless unless he was inside of a friendly vehicle and there was another friendly vehicle he could hang with. Both Engi and AT were also given overlapping weapons and the AT mines had some overlap with each other.

With BC2 (and probably BF3) DICE wants every class to have a unique set of primary weapons(AR, SMG), secondary weapons(Rockets, GL, C4), and other team focused abilities(Repair, Resupply, Heal, spot).

But the overlap didn't hurt the classes. They don't need to be radically unique like superheroes; just perform their functions as designed. The fact that their rifles were similar didn't really affect how they were played. Assault's secondary was...more assault. The grenade launcher is extraordinarily useful once you learn how to aim it.

I grant that the engineer and AT can be shitty on their own, but will still rock if you know how to use them. Learn how to use shotguns and you'll get some pretty easy infantry kills (the pump actions are specifically awesome). The regular guns will still kill, but it's not going to come as easy as with a class specifically designed for that. AT's focus as, well, AT creates a balance dynamic. You don't want an entire  team full of snipers, and you also don't want a team too full of AT. If you're going to lone wolf it out in a vehicle, you can choose between leaving mines behind you, repairing without a box or having a missile ready to revenge-kill another tank. If you're going to make it a choice between a rocket and a combo of grenades, wrench and mines, you might as well not merge the classes. And just as well, because the two kits should not be merged in the first place.

I'm all for revamping issued weapons to lend some uniqueness to the classes, but not at the cost of having to play a Battlefield game with Doctor SAW's bullets and bandages program.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

If you want covering fire don't play arcade games, AKA Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Battlefield, etc.

I liked suppressing in BF2. It never worked but it was fun anyway.

Knock it off. I didn't say I WANTED it above anything else, I just said I didn't see a lot of it being done.

Well, I'm just saying that you don't see it being done a lot because it isn't useful. If one bullet won't put you out of the fight for a good while, nobody will be cautious. Everybody knows they can respawn not far away and come straight back in within 15 seconds.

I like both extremes of gaming, I enjoy simulators and arcade games. Just an FYI.

Benelli is fricken overpowered compared to other shotguns as it combines the damage of a pump-action and the rate of fire of an auto shotgun.

God when special forces and then euroforce came out, it was like make the Western armies better than the east

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-Sh1fty- wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

If you want covering fire don't play arcade games, AKA Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Battlefield, etc.

I liked suppressing in BF2. It never worked but it was fun anyway.

Knock it off. I didn't say I WANTED it above anything else, I just said I didn't see a lot of it being done.

Well, I'm just saying that you don't see it being done a lot because it isn't useful. If one bullet won't put you out of the fight for a good while, nobody will be cautious. Everybody knows they can respawn not far away and come straight back in within 15 seconds.

I like both extremes of gaming, I enjoy simulators and arcade games. Just an FYI.

It isn't useful because after a couple shots, anything in full auto is completely useless unless you're shooting at a car or en masse at a helicopter. Why do that when you can just use the PKM, for instance, as a makeshift semi-auto sniper rifle (which is what like 99% of the support guys in this game use it for once they try spraying with an MG36 at 3 meters with no significant effect ).

e: Also, am I the only person in BF2 that likes the Jackhammer shotgun? It's grown on me lately (when I can't use the default US or Chinese). The MP7 is too severely ammo-starved.

The jackhammer has great firepower but reload time sucks, and you have to reload the whole magazine.

TBH if I'm not US I don't go engi.

I still prefer the US shottie. When the game is having shitty hit reg issues it's one-shot-kills all round

Chinese one is good too. Only IO servers around these days play Karkand 24/7, so I forget the Chinese one. And yeah, MEC is crap by comparison.

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-02-18 03:33:27)

Reciprocity wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The one think I hated about BF2 was AT vs tank.
I'd like to see a hit on the tracks knock out the tracks, 1-2 hits knock out the tank

I thought two hits to the right spots did kill a tank?  front or back of the tracks?  haven't played AT in a while.

Yes, which dumb, since when did shooting out the tracks cause a tank to explode?