Maybe for AustraliaSpark wrote:
More than just oil prices tbh. IIRC the majority of global shipping goes through Suez.
That's why I said Muslims and not Arabs.Ilocano wrote:
Indonesians aren't Arabians...Macbeth wrote:
Ugh so much stupid.Useless trivia question- What is the most populace Muslim state?what matters to me? An uprising in the most populous Arab nation?
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Indonesia.
Clearly That was not MY attitude.11 Bravo wrote:
lolMekstizzle wrote:
I've seen hardly any Americans who aren't bitching about terrorists/crazy muslims and how they don't like these protests.
Did something change in the last 24 hours? Last I heard he was leaving in september (not seeking re-election) and his son was not taking power in his place.UnkleRukus wrote:
Mubarak stated he wont be leaving power because he doesn't want the muslim brotherhood to gain power, but what if the militarys generals want to oust him and force a military rule on the people.
Thats not what I meant. There was a time where people valued an honest days pay for a honest days work. Where people took responsibility for raising their families, where being on welfare was a disgrace. If you do not think morality and personal responsibility and values in the states has taken a nose dive, then we will just have to agree to disagree.JohnG@lt wrote:
'dumbing down' is one of the most overused expressions in America today. Americans have always been dumb. There was never any golden age where everyone was bright and discussed philosophy in an intelligent manner. Sorry.lowing wrote:
and as I said, the average worker bee has no idea about their own govt. or significant facts about their own country. My concerns really doesn't lie in whether the average American knows the leadership of every country in the world, but rather they have at least a working knowledge of their own country. It is this dumbing down of the American citizen that I feel is responsible for the decline of our nation as a whole, in morality, economically, and in world status. We are a nation of the entitled, and when your entitled, who needs to know anything. The only thing people really wanna know is, who can they put in office that will entitle them the most.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm fairly certain the same could be said of every country in the world. The average worker bee concerns himself with what matters to him. Nothing more.
Was watching BBC last night and they said he doesn't want to leave right now because of the possibility of the brotherhood taking power.Kmar wrote:
Did something change in the last 24 hours? Last I heard he was leaving in september (not seeking re-election) and his son was not taking power in his place.UnkleRukus wrote:
Mubarak stated he wont be leaving power because he doesn't want the muslim brotherhood to gain power, but what if the militarys generals want to oust him and force a military rule on the people.
no actually most of the time you being a smart instigates the Islamic discussions, just like you tried to do here.Dilbert_X wrote:
Well, thats what you do.lowing wrote:
Sorry to disappoint Dilbert, but I yes I am guilty, Irarely read the annual budget of the US. and do not again accuse me of dragging Muslims or Islam into every discussion.
Since you get so excited about the ME and muslims in general its surprising you know nothing of Egypt, or who the President has been for 30 years.
Do you know who Saddam Hussein was?
Well it appears clinton and obama are giving him the hint.UnkleRukus wrote:
Was watching BBC last night and they said he doesn't want to leave right now because of the possibility of the brotherhood taking power.Kmar wrote:
Did something change in the last 24 hours? Last I heard he was leaving in september (not seeking re-election) and his son was not taking power in his place.UnkleRukus wrote:
Mubarak stated he wont be leaving power because he doesn't want the muslim brotherhood to gain power, but what if the militarys generals want to oust him and force a military rule on the people.
So, are you saying that all of us here are collectively masturbating?JohnG@lt wrote:
Why on earth would the average American concern themselves with international politics? I can't think of a worse form of mental masturbation.
Kmar wrote:
Well it appears clinton and obama are giving him the hint.UnkleRukus wrote:
Was watching BBC last night and they said he doesn't want to leave right now because of the possibility of the brotherhood taking power.Kmar wrote:
Did something change in the last 24 hours? Last I heard he was leaving in september (not seeking re-election) and his son was not taking power in his place.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … 2b15728b53
Also, if you read the article in its entirety you'll see the foreign press finally has some good to be proud of.
this is what i was saying earlier - thanks to technology, the world is shrinking."Was someone looking at what was going on the Internet?" she said.
except ~Dilbert_X wrote:
Oil price, Israel, nothing else.CameronPoe wrote:
Why would Americans be worried what takes its place? Is America a militarily weak nation bordering Egypt or something?? Are Americans averse to self determination and 'power to the people' in the context of a nation of desperate underemployed, underfed subjects of a kleptocrat, just looking for some bread and a job? Or is the real reason that they don't want true Arab sentiment electing leaders because the middle east is where a large percentage of the world's oil comes from and decades of mistreatment by western nations (backing brutal dictators/stooges, overthrowing democratically elected leaders, invading nations on shoddy grounds or simply 'in the national interest' (Suez)) has utterly alienated the Arab street from the west? That's not to say Arabs hate the west either. It may shock a lot of people to realise that they want all the things we have: TVs, iPhones, the internet, nice cars, good food, etc. Perhaps if we treated that part of the world with parity of esteem rather than viewing the region as 'peoples we must exert control over' we might foster better relations with them.Turquoise wrote:
Personally, I've seen that most Americans I know take a stance similar to my own in that they support the revolts, but they worry what government will take Mubarak's place.
Yes I want another look at the " hockey stick graph " before I finish my pool.Kmar wrote:
Americans are bitching more about snow nowadays rather than muslims and their protest. Mek clearly hasn't met many americans.
I think you've bought into the rhetoric about a utopia that never existed except in the minds of some conservatives. There have always been lazy people and the majority will always shun any form of responsibility. The "Leave it to Beaver" world never existed. Sorry.lowing wrote:
Thats not what I meant. There was a time where people valued an honest days pay for a honest days work. Where people took responsibility for raising their families, where being on welfare was a disgrace. If you do not think morality and personal responsibility and values in the states has taken a nose dive, then we will just have to agree to disagree.JohnG@lt wrote:
'dumbing down' is one of the most overused expressions in America today. Americans have always been dumb. There was never any golden age where everyone was bright and discussed philosophy in an intelligent manner. Sorry.lowing wrote:
and as I said, the average worker bee has no idea about their own govt. or significant facts about their own country. My concerns really doesn't lie in whether the average American knows the leadership of every country in the world, but rather they have at least a working knowledge of their own country. It is this dumbing down of the American citizen that I feel is responsible for the decline of our nation as a whole, in morality, economically, and in world status. We are a nation of the entitled, and when your entitled, who needs to know anything. The only thing people really wanna know is, who can they put in office that will entitle them the most.
Absolutely. It's all pointless. I view it as entertainment, nothing more.Turquoise wrote:
So, are you saying that all of us here are collectively masturbating?JohnG@lt wrote:
Why on earth would the average American concern themselves with international politics? I can't think of a worse form of mental masturbation.
Didn't say shit about leave it to beaver, so gimme a break...As I said, agree to disagree. You think our values as a nation has remained unchanged, I cant agree with that.JohnG@lt wrote:
I think you've bought into the rhetoric about a utopia that never existed except in the minds of some conservatives. There have always been lazy people and the majority will always shun any form of responsibility. The "Leave it to Beaver" world never existed. Sorry.lowing wrote:
Thats not what I meant. There was a time where people valued an honest days pay for a honest days work. Where people took responsibility for raising their families, where being on welfare was a disgrace. If you do not think morality and personal responsibility and values in the states has taken a nose dive, then we will just have to agree to disagree.JohnG@lt wrote:
'dumbing down' is one of the most overused expressions in America today. Americans have always been dumb. There was never any golden age where everyone was bright and discussed philosophy in an intelligent manner. Sorry.
Some people enjoy getting first hand views from across the Globe. Some people admit they can learn from others. I can read posts from people in Iraq or people who were deployed there to get insight and observations the News doesn't or wouldn't give me. You have to admit the News has been light on Iraq after The presidential elections. If it offers an entertainment value it is understandable. There could be some sense of satisfaction in exposing an overblown, inflated, egotistical poster for the total fraud that he is, but still information is information. Opinion is important too. This place is at its best when you can contact an eyewitness source first hand and find out, " Is it really as bad as they say "Turquoise wrote:
So, are you saying that all of us here are collectively masturbating?JohnG@lt wrote:
Why on earth would the average American concern themselves with international politics? I can't think of a worse form of mental masturbation.
Neither can I, In fact the entire demographic of our Nation is changing, so the argument " it has always been like this " doesn't really hold up. A percentage of New immigrants ( legal or not ) go right to dependency on programs that didn't exist years back. I think it is safe to say the past is a different country. For the record I never saw you use the term " Everyone "lowing wrote:
Didn't say shit about leave it to beaver, so gimme a break...As I said, agree to disagree. You think our values as a nation has remained unchanged, I cant agree with that.JohnG@lt wrote:
I think you've bought into the rhetoric about a utopia that never existed except in the minds of some conservatives. There have always been lazy people and the majority will always shun any form of responsibility. The "Leave it to Beaver" world never existed. Sorry.lowing wrote:
Thats not what I meant. There was a time where people valued an honest days pay for a honest days work. Where people took responsibility for raising their families, where being on welfare was a disgrace. If you do not think morality and personal responsibility and values in the states has taken a nose dive, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
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Provide proof.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Neither can I, In fact the entire demographic of our Nation is changing, so the argument " it has always been like this " doesn't really hold up. A percentage of New immigrants ( legal or not ) go right to dependency on programs that didn't exist years back. I think it is safe to say the past is a different country. For the record I never saw you use the term " Everyone "lowing wrote:
Didn't say shit about leave it to beaver, so gimme a break...As I said, agree to disagree. You think our values as a nation has remained unchanged, I cant agree with that.JohnG@lt wrote:
I think you've bought into the rhetoric about a utopia that never existed except in the minds of some conservatives. There have always been lazy people and the majority will always shun any form of responsibility. The "Leave it to Beaver" world never existed. Sorry.
PS for the record the Cleavers appeared to be Middle Class, didn't live beyond there means and it was this type of economic strata that was the bedrock of America when it did function better. They were typical of millions of Americans who put more into the system than they ever expected to get out of it.
There are less familes like this every year.