Jebus
Looking for my Scooper
+218|6005|Belgium
I could explain y'all, but I'd just forget about important things. So I'll just link you:

http://madcow.hostzi.com/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm

I'm starting to dislike Stronglifts/Mehdi. He always comes up with the same story, and tbh, he doesn't look that great at all (nor do the ultimate succes stories..)
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam
I know they're compound lifts, but just 3 exercises a day? That seems a bit...  minimalistic
Jebus
Looking for my Scooper
+218|6005|Belgium
3 compound exercises, yes. 4-6 sets on each one depending on which day. I'll also be doing some extra abs exercises/hypers/pull ups/arms as described.

I usually prefer volume too, but I want to give this a shot
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam

Jebus wrote:

3 compound exercises, yes. 4-6 sets on each one depending on which day. I'll also be doing some extra abs exercises/hypers/pull ups/arms as described.

I usually prefer volume too, but I want to give this a shot
ah, i didn't read the full article (yes, I am one of those poeple that starts commenting after having only read the first page) and only saw the schedule with 3 exercises, but if you add a few more exercises (abs etc) you'll have a sufficient workout i guess.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5419|Sydney
My current routine is basically a 3x8 version of the stronglifts with some other exercises thrown in. I just can't not target other areas of my body. And yeah, his "success" stories don't look the way I want to look. Sure, they're strong and no denying it, but for me I want the strength and to feel I look awesome. Not huge though, but nicely muscular.
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam
i do 5x5 on some stronglifts. But i do 3x10 on most exercises.
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5725|Bolingbrook, Illinois
if it works, don't mess with it.  there was a section in the .pdf about that.  I don't like how you're already criticizing the routine even though you haven't been doing the routine for that long
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam
Went up on some of my lift today. Squat from 80kg(~175lbs) to 85kg(~187lbs) Not a huge improvement but still. I always wondered why people DL more than they squat and why I didn't, so i decided: Fuck it. MY DL felt a little low at 70kg(~154lbs) so i went up a bit, but it still felt low. I eventually managed to crank it up to 90kg(~198lbs). Next week, I'm going for 2 plates on my dl
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam
Still light weight, but it's a work in progress
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5419|Sydney
And you're lifting a lot heavier than I am, but I'm increasing weight almost every workout day at the moment

HaiBai wrote:

if it works, don't mess with it.  there was a section in the .pdf about that.  I don't like how you're already criticizing the routine even though you haven't been doing the routine for that long
My goal isn't to only build strength though, and that's what Stronglifts is all about (hence the name, and the pdf is all about this too). So I've basically taken the concept of the compound exercises and adapted them to a routine I want to do. Mehdi does say some things I don't really agree with. For example, if those isolation exercises didn't work, they would've been abandoned years ago. It's like he's taken an aspect of weight training and said "this is what it's all about, the rest is a load of crap".

I dunno, I'm no expert of course but thousands of people don't do the Stronglifts and still achieve great results. Indeed, they tend to look better than the majority of his success stories IMO. At the moment I'm reading and learning as much as possible, trying to be open to new information and see if it works for me. Mehdi kinda wants to throw a lot of stuff out the window before I've had a chance to get to it, stuff that a lot of others say works. So I dunno, I'm trying a bit of everything.

Indeed, site that's helped me the most is this one - http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/
It just has everything I needed to know there, filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge.

So yeah, I'm still paying attention to Stronglifts and do think it's great advice and a great workout but I feel at this time it's not for me as the program is laid out, for what I want to achieve right now. It's just where I am at the moment. Maybe when I get closer to my current goals I'll then start doing a dedicated stronglifts 5x5 workout.
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5725|Bolingbrook, Illinois
fuck the stupid post didn't work because of a special character.  anyway just reread the .pdf because you obviously missed somethings.

pages 21, 25, and 55 specifically

Last edited by HaiBai (2011-02-01 19:37:43)

Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5419|Sydney
Yes, I've read the pdf a couple times now. According to the stuff I've read (backed by science) a routine that focuses on 3x8 is best for building visible muscle, where as 5x5 is better for strength gains but not as much visible muscle. Like I said, down the track I'll probably doing a more dedicated 5x5 strength training regimen, but my goal at the moment is to just pack on a bit of muscle. Never done it before, want to look good. Might seem shallow but these are my goals and I would be lying to myself if I said they weren't, and I try not to lie to myself ever.

edit: changed some stuff around as I got my facts wrong. Pulled an all nighter doing work and my brain is a bit scrambled.

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-02-01 19:46:09)

HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5725|Bolingbrook, Illinois
yeah i know what you mean.  in the end, the routine and all that stuff doesn't really matter.  if you're dedicated and you try hard, you'll achieve the results you want anyway
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5419|Sydney
Yeah. Plus I really enjoy doing the other exercises not in the pdf, like zottman curls, arnold presses, tricep kickbacks. On bodybuilding.com a lot of people reckon these exercises have helped them make great gains, and I'm not one to argue with numbers when some of those people look really ripped and are saying these things. I guess I'm just trying to take everything in I can and apply it the best I can.

And I'm pretty dedicated. Speaking of which, better go lift some weights now
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5419|Sydney
Worked out, upped most weights. Cut a couple exercises out as am still quite tired from pulling an all nighter and have to start work in an hour. Still feels good though

It is sooooooo hot and humid today though, not cool

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-02-01 21:01:07)

pirana6
Go Cougs!
+691|6532|Washington St.

Jaekus wrote:

It is sooooooo hot and humid today though, not cool
you got it good man!

   
14 fahrenheit (-10 C) today for me. Nice for the first 10 steps out of the gym then it SUCKS
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6842|132 and Bush

Jaekus wrote:

^^^ good advice there. At the very least you also want to invest in a flat bench if at all possible.

Here's a heap of exercises you can do with DBs. Some are incline of course, but the majority don't need an incline bench.
http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/du … cises.html
yep. I actually prefer db's for a lot of exercises as they are good for working auxiliary/stability muscles at the same time.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5419|Sydney
Yeah, and they're good for balancing up the differences between left/right handed. With barbells the stronger side can often compensate for the weaker in the final reps. No such luck with DBs. I guess you could say they keep your training more "honest".
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/56161/1288143257299.jpg

I thinking of making these to give me some extra kcals. Seem like a good idea?
I'm a bit skeptical about it, because ytou have to freeze them so you cant really take em anywhere because they will defreeze and turn all soggy i guess... But who know, I might just give it a try.
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5725|Bolingbrook, Illinois
nutrition facts are obviously bull shit because they didn't list the amount of sugar.  besides, just get protein bars
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam

HaiBai wrote:

nutrition facts are obviously bull shit because they didn't list the amount of sugar.  besides, just get protein bars
They cost way too much. Around 20 euros for 12. If i eat 2 a day that means 20 euros a week, 80-100 euros a month. Fuck that shit
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam
Besides, I don;t care about the sugar. I don't reach the 10 teaspoons maximum daily intake anyway. As long as the kcals and protein are about right
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6862|London, England

Kmar wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

^^^ good advice there. At the very least you also want to invest in a flat bench if at all possible.

Here's a heap of exercises you can do with DBs. Some are incline of course, but the majority don't need an incline bench.
http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/du … cises.html
yep. I actually prefer db's for a lot of exercises as they are good for working auxiliary/stability muscles at the same time.
Yeah, I do most of those. I have a 20kg set, so I can only do 10kg on each arm when doing the ones that require one in each hand. I put some more weights from one on the other when I'm just doing one. Generally speaking I'm around the 11-13kg weight for db's...which ain't so bad, I guess.

What weights are you guys using for the dumbbells?
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5083|Amsterdam

Mekstizzle wrote:

Kmar wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

^^^ good advice there. At the very least you also want to invest in a flat bench if at all possible.

Here's a heap of exercises you can do with DBs. Some are incline of course, but the majority don't need an incline bench.
http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/du … cises.html
yep. I actually prefer db's for a lot of exercises as they are good for working auxiliary/stability muscles at the same time.
Yeah, I do most of those. I have a 20kg set, so I can only do 10kg on each arm when doing the ones that require one in each hand. I put some more weights from one on the other when I'm just doing one. Generally speaking I'm around the 11-13kg weight for db's...which ain't so bad, I guess.

What weights are you guys using for the dumbbells?
18kg on incline dumbell press, 12kg flyes, 4/6kg delt/front raises. thats all the dumbell exercises i do.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5419|Sydney

Kampframmer wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Kmar wrote:


yep. I actually prefer db's for a lot of exercises as they are good for working auxiliary/stability muscles at the same time.
Yeah, I do most of those. I have a 20kg set, so I can only do 10kg on each arm when doing the ones that require one in each hand. I put some more weights from one on the other when I'm just doing one. Generally speaking I'm around the 11-13kg weight for db's...which ain't so bad, I guess.

What weights are you guys using for the dumbbells?
18kg on incline dumbell press, 12kg flyes, 4/6kg delt/front raises. thats all the dumbell exercises i do.
I'm still relatively lightweight. Assuming the empty dumbbells each weight 1.5kg, Zottman curls and Arnold presses just went up to 10kg per hand, incline flyes and incline DB curls are 9kg per hand, tricep kickbacks are 7.5kg a side, laying tricep extensions are 6.5kg. Most of these went up recently or are about to go up again.

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