So if aliens show up and prove they created the universe, will you show them your post? Erm sorry, you cannot exist aliens, be gone.
"Prove" they created the universe.
So you couldn't go anywhere from there and argue.
So you couldn't go anywhere from there and argue.
Why hold aliens to a different standard? You accept God created the universe without proof.Stingray24 wrote:
So if aliens show up and prove they created the universe, will you show them your post? Erm sorry, you cannot exist aliens, be gone.
Proof of anything is in the eye of the beholder. What constitutes proof of God's existence to me is laughable to many here. The same applies on my part towards what "proves" evolutionary theory or similar schools of thought that exclude the divine from our origins. We can all poke holes in one another's point of view til we're at a loss for words. In the end they are theories, none of which are immune to a skeptic's question marks.
What I'm trying to do is raise the question of this thread on both sides of the equation. We've asked the question whether religious people would change or abandon their belief system when ET is discovered. I'd simply like to explore the other side. Will those who consider themselves followers of science and unbelievers in any creator abandon their explanation for the universe when ET shows up and declares us their masterpiece? Think outside the box people. If one of those ignorant religious people can do it, surely you can.
What I'm trying to do is raise the question of this thread on both sides of the equation. We've asked the question whether religious people would change or abandon their belief system when ET is discovered. I'd simply like to explore the other side. Will those who consider themselves followers of science and unbelievers in any creator abandon their explanation for the universe when ET shows up and declares us their masterpiece? Think outside the box people. If one of those ignorant religious people can do it, surely you can.
Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?
Did the big bang flash red or white?
Who cares?Stingray24 wrote:
Did the big bang flash red or white?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That's what I say about Eve's belly button. Bet she was hot though.
Definitely not the direction I wanted with this thread .. but I should have known.
We humans are the bastard children of dying stars. I believe that because it is an observable fact. Everything that we are, the iron in our blood, the calcium in our bones, all of the elements crucial for life as we know it, came from stars. Argue that the stars were created by design if you wish. Maybe a great creator thought gravity and the fusion of hydrogen/helium would paint a really cool picture. But don't feed me a fairy tale about talking snakes and apples.
Having said that .. we all take a leap of faith at some point. I only take issue with religion when it is forced or impacts everyone else's daily life. I don't get the constant mockery of someone's core belief system. It's unimpressive and rude.
We humans are the bastard children of dying stars. I believe that because it is an observable fact. Everything that we are, the iron in our blood, the calcium in our bones, all of the elements crucial for life as we know it, came from stars. Argue that the stars were created by design if you wish. Maybe a great creator thought gravity and the fusion of hydrogen/helium would paint a really cool picture. But don't feed me a fairy tale about talking snakes and apples.
Having said that .. we all take a leap of faith at some point. I only take issue with religion when it is forced or impacts everyone else's daily life. I don't get the constant mockery of someone's core belief system. It's unimpressive and rude.
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Don't think you understand what science is.Stingray24 wrote:
Proof of anything is in the eye of the beholder. What constitutes proof of God's existence to me is laughable to many here. The same applies on my part towards what "proves" evolutionary theory or similar schools of thought that exclude the divine from our origins. We can all poke holes in one another's point of view til we're at a loss for words. In the end they are theories, none of which are immune to a skeptic's question marks.
What I'm trying to do is raise the question of this thread on both sides of the equation. We've asked the question whether religious people would change or abandon their belief system when ET is discovered. I'd simply like to explore the other side. Will those who consider themselves followers of science and unbelievers in any creator abandon their explanation for the universe when ET shows up and declares us their masterpiece? Think outside the box people. If one of those ignorant religious people can do it, surely you can.
If they were able to show with evidence that they did indeed create the universe and do it in a logically self-consistent (and evidentially self-consistent) manner then it would be scientific to believe their theory.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Stingray24 wrote:
Think outside the box people. If one of those ignorant religious people can do it, surely you can.
When you understand why you dismiss all other possible Gods, you'll understand why I dismiss yours.
And how exactly would someone go about recreating the beginning of time itself?Spark wrote:
Don't think you understand what science is.Stingray24 wrote:
Proof of anything is in the eye of the beholder. What constitutes proof of God's existence to me is laughable to many here. The same applies on my part towards what "proves" evolutionary theory or similar schools of thought that exclude the divine from our origins. We can all poke holes in one another's point of view til we're at a loss for words. In the end they are theories, none of which are immune to a skeptic's question marks.
What I'm trying to do is raise the question of this thread on both sides of the equation. We've asked the question whether religious people would change or abandon their belief system when ET is discovered. I'd simply like to explore the other side. Will those who consider themselves followers of science and unbelievers in any creator abandon their explanation for the universe when ET shows up and declares us their masterpiece? Think outside the box people. If one of those ignorant religious people can do it, surely you can.
If they were able to show with evidence that they did indeed create the universe and do it in a logically self-consistent (and evidentially self-consistent) manner then it would be scientific to believe their theory.
Remember this?
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if they are able to either empirically or logically prove that likely? - sure, i'll strongly consider it.Stingray24 wrote:
Will those who consider themselves followers of science and unbelievers in any creator abandon their explanation for the universe when ET shows up and declares us their masterpiece?
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
If they can prove to me, ofcourse.Stingray24 wrote:
Will those who consider themselves followers of science and unbelievers in any creator abandon their explanation for the universe when ET shows up and declares us their masterpiece?
That's kinda a no brainer
That's awesome.AussieReaper wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/EuG9W.jpgStingray24 wrote:
Think outside the box people. If one of those ignorant religious people can do it, surely you can.
When you understand why you dismiss all other possible Gods, you'll understand why I dismiss yours.
What is to say it is even within our capacity to understand it?
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Surely in their infinite wisdom they could find a way to make it comprehensible to our savage mindsKmar wrote:
What is to say it is even within our capacity to understand it?
It could be like explaining the detailed mechanics of an airplane to a baby .. or worse. You also presume they want us to know.
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now I think you're getting away from the point he was trying to makeKmar wrote:
It could be like explaining the detailed mechanics of an airplane to a baby .. or worse. You also presume they want us to know.
Not at all. You demand proof that is probably beyond our intellectual capacity. The airplane analogy was excellent. You might not fully understand it, but you trust your life with it's ability every-time you board a plane.
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Won't be able to reply to Dayarath tonight, still looking up information on the whale bone. I have info but if you're not of faith it's useless.
Is it possible a fk ton of water was underground and when it came up (Read Genesis) the empty reservoir collapsed on itself creating an ocean bed? J
Is it possible a fk ton of water was underground and when it came up (Read Genesis) the empty reservoir collapsed on itself creating an ocean bed? J
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
More likely that a comet(s) delivered water to this orbiting rock.
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No.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Won't be able to reply to Dayarath tonight, still looking up information on the whale bone. I have info but if you're not of faith it's useless.
Is it possible a fk ton of water was underground and when it came up (Read Genesis) the empty reservoir collapsed on itself creating an ocean bed? J
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yeah the operative word kind of is "if". I've already stated that I don't think science will ever be able to get earlier than 10^-43sec Planck time.Kmar wrote:
And how exactly would someone go about recreating the beginning of time itself?Spark wrote:
Don't think you understand what science is.Stingray24 wrote:
Proof of anything is in the eye of the beholder. What constitutes proof of God's existence to me is laughable to many here. The same applies on my part towards what "proves" evolutionary theory or similar schools of thought that exclude the divine from our origins. We can all poke holes in one another's point of view til we're at a loss for words. In the end they are theories, none of which are immune to a skeptic's question marks.
What I'm trying to do is raise the question of this thread on both sides of the equation. We've asked the question whether religious people would change or abandon their belief system when ET is discovered. I'd simply like to explore the other side. Will those who consider themselves followers of science and unbelievers in any creator abandon their explanation for the universe when ET shows up and declares us their masterpiece? Think outside the box people. If one of those ignorant religious people can do it, surely you can.
If they were able to show with evidence that they did indeed create the universe and do it in a logically self-consistent (and evidentially self-consistent) manner then it would be scientific to believe their theory.
Remember this?
http://i.imgur.com/Co5rI.gif
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
On a semi related note. Did you see this? http://tinyurl.com/6lxt4qqSpark wrote:
Yeah the operative word kind of is "if". I've already stated that I don't think science will ever be able to get earlier than 10^-43sec Planck time.Kmar wrote:
And how exactly would someone go about recreating the beginning of time itself?Spark wrote:
Don't think you understand what science is.
If they were able to show with evidence that they did indeed create the universe and do it in a logically self-consistent (and evidentially self-consistent) manner then it would be scientific to believe their theory.
Remember this?
http://i.imgur.com/Co5rI.gif
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