I don't really see the point of concealed carry, you would think that an open carry would be enough to scare off most would be attackers. I always considered concealed carry to be something a would be hero would want.Stingray24 wrote:
We have open carry, but not concealed carry. Not for long, though. We got rid of our worthless liberal governor who vetoed concealed carry twice.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Florida is pushing for an open carry this year!!!!!
*I fucking love my State.
You still are missing what I am about. I do have "qualms in potentially killing people", I do not have qualms in defending myself my home or my family.presidentsheep wrote:
True, but in one solution, no one dies.
In shiftys solution he shoots this guy, running a risk of killing him. Then again I forget how shiftys some ninja video game hero who can aim and shoot someone in a nonlethal area of their body in a split second at close range.
At least lowing was honest about his having no qualms in potentially killing people.
Oh and for the record i'm not a liberal, my political outlook is a combination of humanist values mixed with conservative ones.
Stop comparing me to some ninja twisted redneck white trash.presidentsheep wrote:
True, but in one solution, no one dies.
In shiftys solution he shoots this guy, running a risk of killing him. Then again I forget how shiftys some ninja video game hero who can aim and shoot someone in a nonlethal area of their body in a split second at close range.
At least lowing was honest about his having no qualms in potentially killing people.
Oh and for the record i'm not a liberal, my political outlook is a combination of humanist values mixed with conservative ones.
Those lame insults are a pathetic attempt to make my opinion look invalid.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
All those are very reasonable. You sir are a shining example of a mentally healthy individual.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Damn, you are right. This guy would have had to run over her ass with his car cause it to become dented and covered in blood! or hack up his neighbor with a machette and take his guns and then go shoot her ass. or he would have had to take a knife and stab her in the face. or buy a chainsaw and cut off her legs.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Imagine if there were laws in place limiting mentally unstable people from purchasing/owning guns and/or ammo (like the kind of law some people were proposing after the V.Tech shooting- before the NRA got their cold, dead hands on it).
Then there would be no need for a gun wielding hero to come through to protect the useless liberals!
wowzers! I think you have solved people being killed by other people with this zinger!
You should have seen the guy from Florida on Foxnews earlier today concerning some drunk guy who accidentally shot a girl at a party when he wanted to show off his "unloaded" rifle.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Florida is pushing for an open carry this year!!!!!
*I fucking love my State.
I don't know who he was but his arguments were pitiful, he was a total anti-gun POS. I hope he wasn't a senator, Governor, etc.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
On the contrary. Open carry makes you the target first. It draws unwanted and un-needed attention to you. Open carry has a greater chance of the opposite affect to the desired outcomeNic wrote:
I don't really see the point of concealed carry, you would think that an open carry would be enough to scare off most would be attackers. I always considered concealed carry to be something a would be hero would want.Stingray24 wrote:
We have open carry, but not concealed carry. Not for long, though. We got rid of our worthless liberal governor who vetoed concealed carry twice.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Florida is pushing for an open carry this year!!!!!
*I fucking love my State.
Personally, I would rather not advertise the fact that I am carrying, but still have the means to defend myself if needed.Nic wrote:
I don't really see the point of concealed carry, you would think that an open carry would be enough to scare off most would be attackers. I always considered concealed carry to be something a would be hero would want.Stingray24 wrote:
We have open carry, but not concealed carry. Not for long, though. We got rid of our worthless liberal governor who vetoed concealed carry twice.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Florida is pushing for an open carry this year!!!!!
*I fucking love my State.
presidentsheep wrote:
True, but in one solution, no one dies.
In shiftys solution he shoots this guy, running a risk of killing him. Then again I forget how shiftys some ninja video game hero who can aim and shoot someone in a nonlethal area of their body in a split second at close range.
I was already in danger when the guy pulled a knife.presidentsheep wrote:
True, but in one solution, no one dies.
In shiftys solution he shoots this guy, running a risk of killing him. Then again I forget how shiftys some ninja video game hero who can aim and shoot someone in a nonlethal area of their body in a split second at close range.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
So, you don't agree that a criminal is less likely to come at you if he sees that you are well armed. Personally if I was gonna attack a random person, I would never pick the guy that I could see had a gun.Stingray24 wrote:
Personally, I would rather not advertise the fact that I am carrying, but still have the means to defend myself if needed.Nic wrote:
I don't really see the point of concealed carry, you would think that an open carry would be enough to scare off most would be attackers. I always considered concealed carry to be something a would be hero would want.Stingray24 wrote:
We have open carry, but not concealed carry. Not for long, though. We got rid of our worthless liberal governor who vetoed concealed carry twice.
To me a concealed carry just seems like you would welcome the situation to use the gun rather than have it to prevent anything.
Once you are already in the situation maybe, but if it prevents you from getting in the situation in the first place...lowing wrote:
On the contrary. Open carry makes you the target first. It draws unwanted and un-needed attention to you. Open carry has a greater chance of the opposite affect to the desired outcomeNic wrote:
I don't really see the point of concealed carry, you would think that an open carry would be enough to scare off most would be attackers. I always considered concealed carry to be something a would be hero would want.Stingray24 wrote:
We have open carry, but not concealed carry. Not for long, though. We got rid of our worthless liberal governor who vetoed concealed carry twice.
Yeah, fuck that guy, the argument that innocent people can get hurt by guns is total bullshit, fuck that girl that got shot too.-Sh1fty- wrote:
You should have seen the guy from Florida on Foxnews earlier today concerning some drunk guy who accidentally shot a girl at a party when he wanted to show off his "unloaded" rifle.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Florida is pushing for an open carry this year!!!!!
*I fucking love my State.
I don't know who he was but his arguments were pitiful, he was a total anti-gun POS. I hope he wasn't a senator, Governor, etc.
hahaha, I just remembered something from when I lived in FL. There was a fucking blind guy in our CCW class. Try to wrap your eurobrains around that one. I couldn't figure it out myself, I think they didn't deny him because they were afraid of getting sued.
Yeah, fuck that guy, the argument that innocent people can get hurt by cars is total bullshit, fuck that girl that got ran-over too.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Except on a Wednesday.-Sh1fty- wrote:
I'd go nigga on his ass fo sho with my dual DeaglesDilbert_X wrote:
Sh1fty wrote:
#1 - You're out having a drink with some pals and having a good time. Night comes to a close and you're walking to your car. Some asshole with a knife comes up and demands your wallet. What do you do?
#0 -2 You're out having a drink with some pals and having a good time. Night comes to a close and you're walking to your car. Some asshole with a knife comes up and demands your wallet. You have a pistol on you. What do you do?Nic wrote:
By this, I mean I think the "Hero boy" complex you have displayed in these forum, most likely from playing video games and too much hollywood. Would make you more likely to cause the situation to come to a point where you could prove yourself a hero, thereby endangering everyone around you. I don't think you have sound judgement in this area because you would want to be the guy who save everyone, instead of being the guy who is put in the situation and does what is needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q4zv2QGdos
Sh1fty wrote:
Yep, and I go to Bible study every Wednesday too.
Fuck Israel
I love the whole comparing guns to cars thing in this thread.
If the bad guys know you have a gun, and you do not know who the bad guys are, you are at a disadvantage. Open carry does not prevent bad things from happening it simply means you are to be eliminated as a threat to their actions before they can carry out those actions. No other way to view it.Nic wrote:
Once you are already in the situation maybe, but if it prevents you from getting in the situation in the first place...lowing wrote:
On the contrary. Open carry makes you the target first. It draws unwanted and un-needed attention to you. Open carry has a greater chance of the opposite affect to the desired outcomeNic wrote:
I don't really see the point of concealed carry, you would think that an open carry would be enough to scare off most would be attackers. I always considered concealed carry to be something a would be hero would want.
With concealed carry, the criminal never knows who might be carrying. Sure, he'll likely avoid the guy openly carrying, but as lowing said, it may draw unwanted attention, too.Nic wrote:
So, you don't agree that a criminal is less likely to come at you if he sees that you are well armed. Personally if I was gonna attack a random person, I would never pick the guy that I could see had a gun.Stingray24 wrote:
Personally, I would rather not advertise the fact that I am carrying, but still have the means to defend myself if needed.Nic wrote:
I don't really see the point of concealed carry, you would think that an open carry would be enough to scare off most would be attackers. I always considered concealed carry to be something a would be hero would want.
To me a concealed carry just seems like you would welcome the situation to use the gun rather than have it to prevent anything.
As to guns and cars, both are tools which can be used for good or for bad. Completely depends on the user.
Cars kill more people than guns do. Irresponsible people driving are more dangerous than irresponsible people with guns.
I'd say they're a great comparison.
I'd say they're a great comparison.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun"-Sh1fty- wrote:
Yeah, fuck that guy, the argument that innocent people can get hurt by cars is total bullshit, fuck that girl that got ran-over too.
But crazy people intent on mass killings always pick guns, why is that?-Sh1fty- wrote:
Cars kill more people than guns do. Irresponsible people driving are more dangerous than irresponsible people with guns.
I'd say they're a great comparison.
Fuck Israel
I don't know DilDerp, ask this guy.
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And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Definitely, but do you not see the distinction between something that can be used to kill someone, and something that is made to kill someone.Stingray24 wrote:
With concealed carry, the criminal never knows who might be carrying. Sure, he'll likely avoid the guy openly carrying, but as lowing said, it may draw unwanted attention, too.Nic wrote:
So, you don't agree that a criminal is less likely to come at you if he sees that you are well armed. Personally if I was gonna attack a random person, I would never pick the guy that I could see had a gun.Stingray24 wrote:
Personally, I would rather not advertise the fact that I am carrying, but still have the means to defend myself if needed.
To me a concealed carry just seems like you would welcome the situation to use the gun rather than have it to prevent anything.
As to guns and cars, both are tools which can be used for good or for bad. Completely depends on the user.
One makes it very easy to do. And there does need to be a control somewhere. I would say it is much harder to kill a specific person with a car than a gun. With a car at least they have to be someplace accessible by car.
As I said before, in the same way you could use a car or anything else in your arguments, couldn't you then use the argument that carrying around a RPG, or driving a tank around is reasonable.
I'm not against people owning guns, or even if they are over the top trained in gun safety and first aid, carrying them. I do think however that where you can draw a line between something being made for multiple purposes and something being designed specifically to kill, is a good point to be extremely thorough in creating rules to go with it.
Because they assume everyone in the crowd will be unarmed ...Dilbert_X wrote:
But crazy people intent on mass killings always pick guns, why is that?-Sh1fty- wrote:
Cars kill more people than guns do. Irresponsible people driving are more dangerous than irresponsible people with guns.
I'd say they're a great comparison.
In Arizona:Nic wrote:
I didnt catch this earlier, was his gun registered or not? and did he actually have it modified or not? If it was registered, then yep, failure of laws. If not... Also, if you have a registered fire arm, does it need to be inspected periodically in AZ? or anywhere in the states?
Firearm registration is not required
There is no waiting period to purchase a firearm
There are no "periodic firearm inspection"
If he purchased the firearm from a licensed dealer he needed to complete ATF form 4473 and pass a background check. If he completed the form correctly and passed the background check (it's a phone call, takes a couple minutes), he could pay for the firearm and leave with it then. The process takes less than 10 minutes. Compared to some other states it's
