well thats a tough question. my smoke and carbon alarms are wired into the house electrical system so for now the bank owns them i guesspresidentsheep wrote:
Smoke alarm?11 Bravo wrote:
i dont own a gunpresidentsheep wrote:
So can everyone in America just agree to stop carrying guns around now and carry smoke alarms instead?
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Why does it bother you? Fuck off.presidentsheep wrote:
So can everyone in America just agree to stop carrying guns around now and carry smoke alarms instead?
actually you did say more laws were the solution. That is why I referenced the drug war. Merely producing laws doesn't seem to be the answer there either.CapnNismo wrote:
If you'll read my post, I didn't say more laws was the solution (with the exception of gun control). The laws do exist, I agree, but they aren't enforced and that's a huge problem. As far as the war on drugs is concerned, it's lost and needs to be given up in terms of domestic fighting because that isn't going anywhere.lowing wrote:
Yes just like strict drug laws and the war on drugs. How is that working out again? You do not need more fuckin laws, you need to enforce the laws on the books, you need to do away with PC and make people hurt for the crimes they commit.CapnNismo wrote:
Better border control, stricter gun laws. Seems like a win-win to me. Cuts down on the illegal drug trade and also human trafficking, too.
In regards to your response about the German thing: You'll notice that gun crime in Europe is pretty low because there isn't this psychopathic gun-nut mindset like you have in the great ol' USA.
the fire alarm wont put the fire outpresidentsheep wrote:
But fire alarms are should be installed in every house to prevent fires from starting right? And if a fire starts then it'll put the fire out? Oh and you should have one in case you ever want to teach your kids how to burn down a house.
More likely to be killed in a house fire then murdered with a gun.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I have smoke alarms and I have never had a fire nor has anyone I ever knew for that matter.
So what? By your own logic guns aren't a big deal then since so few are used in murders.DrunkFace wrote:
More likely to be killed in a house fire then murdered with a gun.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I have smoke alarms and I have never had a fire nor has anyone I ever knew for that matter.
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Not if you live in Baltimore...DrunkFace wrote:
More likely to be killed in a house fire then murdered with a gun.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I have smoke alarms and I have never had a fire nor has anyone I ever knew for that matter.
Everyone carrying guns about won't stop people getting shot either.11 Bravo wrote:
the fire alarm wont put the fire outpresidentsheep wrote:
But fire alarms are should be installed in every house to prevent fires from starting right? And if a fire starts then it'll put the fire out? Oh and you should have one in case you ever want to teach your kids how to burn down a house.
and I would rather NOT live in a society where JUST THE CRIMINALS have guns.presidentsheep wrote:
All i'm trying to say is I would rather live in a society where no-one is threatened by guns instead of everyone, adding them into a situation just escalates it, if you feel you need to carry a gun to protect yourself then there's something wrong with where you're living.
dont ask me...i dont carry a gunpresidentsheep wrote:
Everyone carrying guns about won't stop people getting shot either.11 Bravo wrote:
the fire alarm wont put the fire outpresidentsheep wrote:
But fire alarms are should be installed in every house to prevent fires from starting right? And if a fire starts then it'll put the fire out? Oh and you should have one in case you ever want to teach your kids how to burn down a house.
I just disliked the comparison between guns and smoke alarms, one was designed to save lives and the other to take them. What's the need to carry around something that has the potential to kill people and no other purpose? You don't strap on a rifle in the morning on the off chance you see some deer on the morning commute.
Sorry... murders with firearms are over 15 times higher in the US. My statement doesn't hold true for you.JohnG@lt wrote:
So what? By your own logic guns aren't a big deal then since so few are used in murders.DrunkFace wrote:
More likely to be killed in a house fire then murdered with a gun.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I have smoke alarms and I have never had a fire nor has anyone I ever knew for that matter.
Umm, why would they be different? If there was an intruder in your house and you were able to fight him off with a weapon wouldn't the gun have saved lives just like the smoke detector? I fail to understand why you care more about the lives of criminals than you do of victims.presidentsheep wrote:
Everyone carrying guns about won't stop people getting shot either.11 Bravo wrote:
the fire alarm wont put the fire outpresidentsheep wrote:
But fire alarms are should be installed in every house to prevent fires from starting right? And if a fire starts then it'll put the fire out? Oh and you should have one in case you ever want to teach your kids how to burn down a house.
I just disliked the comparison between guns and smoke alarms, one was designed to save lives and the other to take them. What's the need to carry around something that has the potential to kill people and no other purpose? You don't strap on a rifle in the morning on the off chance you see some deer on the morning commute.
So live in one where NO ONE has guns.lowing wrote:
and I would rather NOT live in a society where JUST THE CRIMINALS have guns.presidentsheep wrote:
All i'm trying to say is I would rather live in a society where no-one is threatened by guns instead of everyone, adding them into a situation just escalates it, if you feel you need to carry a gun to protect yourself then there's something wrong with where you're living.
Then you wish to live in a fantasy world. Again, fuck off.presidentsheep wrote:
I'd rather live in a society where almost no-one has guns, remove the potential for danger out of the equation.
who said anything about needing to defend yourself on a regular basis. I carry for the ONE time I will need to defend myself, I do not carry because I feel I will be attacked on a "regular basis". Good god. Do you really believe your own argument, or are you just wanting to argue?presidentsheep wrote:
Why in a modern society should you have to feel the need to defend yourself with deadly force on a regular basis?lowing wrote:
I do not hunt.JahManRed wrote:
I have no problems with a kid learning how to hunt. My dad taught me how to hunt. But I cannot epahise the importance he put on respecting the gun. (my uncle killed himself by leaning his gun on a fence. Climbing the fence. The barb wire pulled the trigger and shot him dead) He taught me to repsect your prey. He made me skin and gut the mountain Goat I shot. I had to follow the whole thing through. I had to see what I shot up close, I had to watch its last breath, carry it soaking myself in blood. It all had a profound effect on me. Pulling the trigger was the easy part. Its what happens after that has a lasting effect. You can train people to pull the trigger, but what happens after................
If you are unfortunate enough to have to defend yourself with deadly force, you can take comfort in the fact that you are alive to feel bad about it.
Not really, I live in the UK.JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you wish to live in a fantasy world. Again, fuck off.presidentsheep wrote:
I'd rather live in a society where almost no-one has guns, remove the potential for danger out of the equation.
Do you wear a Faraday suit for the ONE time you'll get hit by lightning too?lowing wrote:
who said anything about needing to defend yourself on a regular basis. I carry for the ONE time I will need to defend myself, I do not carry because I feel I will be attacked on a "regular basis". Good god. Do you really believe your own argument, or are you just wanting to argue?presidentsheep wrote:
Why in a modern society should you have to feel the need to defend yourself with deadly force on a regular basis?lowing wrote:
I do not hunt.
If you are unfortunate enough to have to defend yourself with deadly force, you can take comfort in the fact that you are alive to feel bad about it.
Oh, so you have low gun crime. That's cool. What about the rest of your crime? Oh right. That's skyrocketed. No guns thoughpresidentsheep wrote:
Not really, I live in the UK.JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you wish to live in a fantasy world. Again, fuck off.presidentsheep wrote:
I'd rather live in a society where almost no-one has guns, remove the potential for danger out of the equation.
Fairly low gun crime, apart from the vicious unicorn gang shootings.
Move to Antarctica thenpresidentsheep wrote:
I'd rather live in a society where almost no-one has guns, remove the potential for danger out of the equation.
how is a handgun a tool? for example the one used in the shooting we're all discussing?JohnG@lt wrote:
zomg guns are bad. please. They're just a tool.