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burnzz wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i don't understand why people are making this a partisan-political thing... it's a shame

the guy is clearly fucking nuts. conspiracy theories don't really ally with left/right wing mainstream politics.

but that's the thing, both political parties have crowbars and are trying to fit the conspiracy theories into their partisan beliefs. like any time you use a crowbar, it's not efficient, it takes alot of force, and something's bound to get broken.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2011-01-11 09:35:48)

west-phoenix-az wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

Sorry if this interview was already posted.
This man was near and armed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-3GTwalrGY

How is that guy a hero?
First thing he said is he was carrying a gun to and was therefore "more prepared", that to me just seems like he was wanting something like this to happen in order to be able to shoot someone. He then runs over to where people had already subdued the gunman and grabs one of them. He even says the guy wasn't struggling and was under control, why label this guy a hero? Seems just lucky that he didn't cause more problems.

edit: the guy even says he took the safety off and was prepared to shoot someone, what if whoever had subdued the guy was carrying the gun and wasn't involved in that struggle, that would have added another body to this. Throw more people with guns into a problem and I don't see how it ends up any way but more people getting killed.

I never called him a hero. I guess people are calling him a hero because he came to aid, rather than flee like most would. Had he ran into a burning building to help someone I don't think you'd be questioning why he is being called a hero. Either way he put himself in possible harms way to help others.

what if, what if.... we can what if all day. The fact remains that this armed man was present and prepared to fire, yet he didn't complicate the situation. Had the gunman been able to reload and continue firing, this man may have been the one to put an end to it. If you carry a gun you need to identify your target before firing. The shooter may be an undercover police officer or a victim returning fire - you don't know. I believe most people carry a firearm to defend themselves, family and friends. Trying to defend someone else can be very tricky and dangerous, so you approach it with great caution. Apparently this man was able to identify the situation well enough to not shoot the wrong person(s). I can't say the same for police.

Last edited by Trotskygrad (2011-01-11 10:25:53)

presidentsheep wrote:

he was prepared to kill someone. Not tackle someone to the ground or to risk injury saving someone's life but to actually kill someone. What does that say about his attitude if that's the first reaction he jumps to?

presidentsheep wrote:

krazed wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

he was prepared to kill someone. Not tackle someone to the ground or to risk injury saving someone's life but to actually kill someone. What does that say about his attitude if that's the first reaction he jumps to?

you would tackle an armed person assaulting someone?

braver man than I

Never said that, i'd probably shit myself and cry. Then again I don't really expect to shoot or be shot at, the thing i'm saying is that that guy left the house that day carrying a gun that he was prepared to use to kill someone, to me that mentality seems wrong.

JohnG@lt wrote:

burnzz wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i don't understand why people are making this a partisan-political thing... it's a shame

the guy is clearly fucking nuts. conspiracy theories don't really ally with left/right wing mainstream politics.

but that's the thing, both political parties have crowbars and are trying to fit the conspiracy theories into their partisan beliefs. like any time you use a crowbar, it's not efficient, it takes alot of force, and something's bound to get broken.

The politicization of this country over the past 11 years is fucking ridiculous. Maybe I was too young at the time and never noticed it was always like this, but I blame it on the rise of the 24 hour news channels and the zombies they have spawned. They make it seem like everyone is at each others throats but in reality it's like 15% Dem and 15% Rep yelling at each other while the other 70% of us wave middle fingers at both of them

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

burnzz wrote:

but that's the thing, both political parties have crowbars and are trying to fit the conspiracy theories into their partisan beliefs. like any time you use a crowbar, it's not efficient, it takes alot of force, and something's bound to get broken.

The politicization of this country over the past 11 years is fucking ridiculous. Maybe I was too young at the time and never noticed it was always like this, but I blame it on the rise of the 24 hour news channels and the zombies they have spawned. They make it seem like everyone is at each others throats but in reality it's like 15% Dem and 15% Rep yelling at each other while the other 70% of us wave middle fingers at both of them

Pretty much...  One of the bigger problems with our system is that, at most, only 60% of the electorate votes, so appealing to wingnuts will get you a lot of power.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

The politicization of this country over the past 11 years is fucking ridiculous. Maybe I was too young at the time and never noticed it was always like this, but I blame it on the rise of the 24 hour news channels and the zombies they have spawned. They make it seem like everyone is at each others throats but in reality it's like 15% Dem and 15% Rep yelling at each other while the other 70% of us wave middle fingers at both of them

Pretty much...  One of the bigger problems with our system is that, at most, only 60% of the electorate votes, so appealing to wingnuts will get you a lot of power.

I don't vote because my vote is drowned out by the rejects of society and I don't want to have to dodge jury duty and shit.

The US should have simple voting requirements.  1. highschool diploma or GED.  2. Current or Previous Military Service.  3. A fulltime Job that is not funded by taxes.

This would fix all problems with the US government is record time.

JahManRed wrote:

I have no problems with a kid learning how to hunt. My dad taught me how to hunt. But I cannot epahise the importance he put on respecting the gun. (my uncle killed himself by leaning his gun on a fence. Climbing the fence. The barb wire pulled the trigger and shot him dead) He taught me to repsect your prey. He made me skin and gut the mountain Goat I shot. I had to follow the whole thing through. I had to see what I shot up close, I had to watch its last breath, carry it soaking myself in blood. It all had a profound effect on me. Pulling the trigger was the easy part. Its what happens after that has a lasting effect. You can train people to pull the trigger, but what happens after................

west-phoenix-az wrote:

OK, you are armed.
You have a pistol on your hip.
You hear a string of shots fired in close proximately.
QUICK! What do you do???

A. shit your pants and cry
2. pick your nose
C. check for your pistol and prepare to use it if need be

presidentsheep wrote:

Option D: learn the difference between the alphabet and numbers then move to a country where I don't risk getting shot.

krazed wrote:

Nic wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

OK, you are armed.
You have a pistol on your hip.
You hear a string of shots fired in close proximately.
QUICK! What do you do???

A. shit your pants and cry
2. pick your nose
C. check for your pistol and prepare to use it if need be

Ok, as jahman said earlier in the thread, once you have obviously chosen C as it seems you would.

You go over to attempt to help, and there are several other gun carriers who do the same.
Since you have only heard the shots and have no idea whats going on, who do you subdue, do you trust them to not shoot you and handle the situation properly.

Yes, having a gun could potentially help, it also could potentially make things much worse.

which is why he didn't pull it and start firing


hey sheep, let me know when someone punches your girlfriend in the face and pulls a knife on you, have fun cowering in fear

unfortunately thanks to people like you, i no longer have the option to defend myself with reasonable means... so i lost everything i was carrying that night and had to watch her cry and bleed

personally i would rather have shot that piece of shit to death than have to try to comfort her at the hospital after.... but hey whatever floats your boat buddy

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