mikkel
Member
+383|6885

Kmar wrote:

What type of government online services?
The objective is to make available via web-based applications every government service that can be rendered in that manner. Taxes, registration of deeds, social security, change of address, acquiring a passport, renewing or changing your driver's license, and most municipal services are among the things that can be handled entirely online. I actually settled everything that I had to settle with the government when I emigrated without having to show up in person anywhere, and without submitting any physical paperwork.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6729|The Land of Scott Walker
Excellent idea, this.  Hackers could never penetrate a government database of citizen IDs.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6729|The Land of Scott Walker
Coordinate this unique ID with the newly found net neutrality bs and what do we have?
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6781

everyone knows you have shitty internet service!
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6729|The Land of Scott Walker
Quite like mine right now.  Anytime the government starts poking about in what's working we all know what happens ... more taxes, less freedom, absence of quality.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5985|College Park, MD

Stingray24 wrote:

Coordinate this unique ID with the newly found net neutrality bs and what do we have?
there is nothing wrong with net neutrality
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SplinterStrike
Roamer
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Let the Vast Machine begin.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6436|what

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Coordinate this unique ID with the newly found net neutrality bs and what do we have?
there is nothing wrong with net neutrality
Net neutrality should be promoted more tbh.
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,055|7055|PNW

I like it, but I don't want it hosted by the Feds. They'll just find a way to soak up more money to maintain the service.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7063|Great Brown North

Stingray24 wrote:

Excellent idea, this.  Hackers could never penetrate a government database of citizen IDs.
you mean like they have done with our firearms database? lol... this is a good idea... but not practical
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6389|eXtreme to the maX

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

The details are pretty much non-existent at this point, but this is what the government has to say:

"We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities."
That sounds kinda close to a national ID to me. Wish they'd tell us more though.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162- … 01465.html
Seems fair, many of them are crazy and own guns - need to keep track of them.
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Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6752

eleven bravo wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

This is the government, they are paving the way to tax internet useage.

government = taxes,  this is all you need to know.
vote with your 2nd amendment, right right
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mcjagdflieger
Champion of Dueling Rectums
+26|6594|South Jersey
Totally, no hacker anywhere, has ever hacked an US gov't sanctioned web service or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. How could this possibly go wrong? "insert too lazy to look up how to insert roll eye smiley" I see no ulterior motives here, at least they "supposedly" need our permission to look up SSN for specific purposes.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5641|London, England

mcjagdflieger wrote:

Totally, no hacker anywhere, has ever hacked an US gov't sanctioned web service or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. How could this possibly go wrong? "insert too lazy to look up how to insert roll eye smiley" I see no ulterior motives here, at least they "supposedly" need our permission to look up SSN for specific purposes.
I've received about fifty pieces of mail over the years regarding a VA employee having their laptop stolen with my social security number and other information located on it They keep apologizing and telling me to watch out for identity theft.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
jsnipy
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+3,277|6806|...

mcjagdflieger wrote:

Totally, no hacker anywhere, has ever hacked an US gov't sanctioned web service or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. How could this possibly go wrong? "insert too lazy to look up how to insert roll eye smiley" I see no ulterior motives here, at least they "supposedly" need our permission to look up SSN for specific purposes.
I seriously hope that is sarcasm
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6283|Vortex Ring State

JohnG@lt wrote:

mcjagdflieger wrote:

Totally, no hacker anywhere, has ever hacked an US gov't sanctioned web service or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. How could this possibly go wrong? "insert too lazy to look up how to insert roll eye smiley" I see no ulterior motives here, at least they "supposedly" need our permission to look up SSN for specific purposes.
I've received about fifty pieces of mail over the years regarding a VA employee having their laptop stolen with my social security number and other information located on it They keep apologizing and telling me to watch out for identity theft.
exactly, I don't trust the government with managing personal information. cause government fucks up (like that laptop case, other scandals, etc.). and I don't like people fuckin with my personal information.

this makes it even easier for politicians to abuse power
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6729|The Land of Scott Walker

JohnG@lt wrote:

mcjagdflieger wrote:

Totally, no hacker anywhere, has ever hacked an US gov't sanctioned web service or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. How could this possibly go wrong? "insert too lazy to look up how to insert roll eye smiley" I see no ulterior motives here, at least they "supposedly" need our permission to look up SSN for specific purposes.
I've received about fifty pieces of mail over the years regarding a VA employee having their laptop stolen with my social security number and other information located on it They keep apologizing and telling me to watch out for identity theft.
And they don't have the decency to pay for a Lifelock subscription for you pffff
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6729|The Land of Scott Walker

AussieReaper wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Coordinate this unique ID with the newly found net neutrality bs and what do we have?
there is nothing wrong with net neutrality
Net neutrality should be promoted more tbh.
What benefits do you see in it?
mikkel
Member
+383|6885

Stingray24 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

there is nothing wrong with net neutrality
Net neutrality should be promoted more tbh.
What benefits do you see in it?
The issue is that the need for net neutrality regulation would typically exist only in the presence of regulated or natural monopolies. As long as ISPs operate predominantly from either position, and particularly when operating on infrastructure paid for by the taxpayer, then regulation must exist to guarantee that these monopolies aren't abused.

It's not a matter of small government or big government on the individual issue. It's a matter of recognising that you either maintain the regulation necessary to prevent abuse, or that you don't regulate at all. Net neutrality is just part of the former.

Last edited by mikkel (2011-01-11 18:11:48)

Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5641|London, England

Stingray24 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


there is nothing wrong with net neutrality
Net neutrality should be promoted more tbh.
What benefits do you see in it?
Net neutrality simply prevents companies from slowing traffic down to their competitors. It prevents Google cutting a deal with TWC that slows all non-Google traffic on the network to drive business to Google. This wouldn't really be an issue if a large part of the country didn't live in monopoly conditions. For example, before Verizon FiOS launched in this area, TWC had a monopoly on high speed internet. If they had cut a deal I wouldn't have had a competitor to run to. This is what net neutrality prevents.

Where I disagree with it is with piracy and other crap that people seem to vehemently defend. That's the other part of net neutrality, all traffic is supposed to be treated equally. Well, sites like piratebay shouldn't be included in that because they sell illegal products and people acting as torrent nodes slow down the network for everyone else. To get around this, ISPs could and should go back to a system where you pay for your traffic, not these one-sized-fits-all unlimited accounts that they currently peddle.

So, the only regulation that's needed is preventing companies from striking deals that hurt their customers like the Google-TWC example. Nothing else on the internet needs regulating.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6729|The Land of Scott Walker
The problem is that once the government gains the ability to prevent deals, it's unlikely to stop there.  The FCC already ignored the courts and the legislature by taking this first step.  Allowing an unelected and unaccountable board of political appointees to take the reins doesn't seem to be the most prudent idea.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5641|London, England

Stingray24 wrote:

The problem is that once the government gains the ability to prevent deals, it's unlikely to stop there.  The FCC already ignored the courts and the legislature by taking this first step.  Allowing an unelected and unaccountable board of political appointees to take the reins doesn't seem to be the most prudent idea.
That's the party line, yeah.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6729|The Land of Scott Walker
Knowing politicians, it's a reasonable assumption, right?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5641|London, England

Stingray24 wrote:

Knowing politicians, it's a reasonable assumption, right?
It is the nature of the beast for government to expand. What they need to do is break the local monopolies people are stuck with instead. That would end all the issues.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6414|North Tonawanda, NY

JohnG@lt wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Knowing politicians, it's a reasonable assumption, right?
It is the nature of the beast for government to expand. What they need to do is break the local monopolies people are stuck with instead. That would end all the issues.
The village where I grew up tried to let another cable company offer service via their own lines...but they were unable to move in because of mandatory service pole gaps between electric, cable, phone lines and the ground...there wasn't actually enough space on the poles to put up new lines. Just allowing competition won't necessarily allow other service providers to move into any given area.

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