Well, I don't think he could be convicted of murder. Perhaps negligent homicide in which the penalty would be limited to a few years most likely. There are a lot of people that feel like shit after they do something wrong, so like Bravo said it shouldn't matter if the law is broken.11 Bravo wrote:
well you said as a juror....i know if i said life it would get chopped to 30 years or something.
Why would there need to be an 'epidemic' before you would take action?Turquoise wrote:
If there was an epidemic of people bringing their children to gun shows and accidentally killing them, then I suppose there would be harsher laws involving that too.
The kid is dead, there is a clear chain of negligence, it needs to be dealt with.
Doesn't the US have majority verdicts?All it takes is one juror to say "not guilty", and then the guy gets off.
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What is there to deal with beyond the cop's bad judgment?Dilbert_X wrote:
Why would there need to be an 'epidemic' before you would take action?Turquoise wrote:
If there was an epidemic of people bringing their children to gun shows and accidentally killing them, then I suppose there would be harsher laws involving that too.
The kid is dead, there is a clear chain of negligence, it needs to be dealt with.
...not for criminal convictions. All you need is a majority for civil cases, but a felony criminal case requires a consensus by the jury.Dilbert_X wrote:
Doesn't the US have majority verdicts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hung_jury
Ah OK, outside the US 10-2 is often enough.
The fact a kid is dead as a result? Its not as if he served warm lemonade instead of cold.What is there to deal with beyond the cop's bad judgment?
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So a father makes a bad decision that ends up killing his son, and you want to throw him in jail? I understand that a trial must be held for formality, but punishing him further seems to be a bit much, don't you think?Dilbert_X wrote:
Ah OK, outside the US 10-2 is often enough.The fact a kid is dead as a result? Its not as if he served warm lemonade instead of cold.What is there to deal with beyond the cop's bad judgment?
It would be different if this was intentional.
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Yes, to discourage others from being reckless and justice must be served evenly.Turquoise wrote:
So a father makes a bad decision that ends up killing his son, and you want to throw him in jail?Dilbert_X wrote:
Ah OK, outside the US 10-2 is often enough.The fact a kid is dead as a result? Its not as if he served warm lemonade instead of cold.What is there to deal with beyond the cop's bad judgment?
The boy was his wife's son too. He had a responsibility to her as well as his son, and to innocent bystanders who could have been killed by an eight year old with a micro-uzi.
No.I understand that a trial must be held for formality, but punishing him further seems to be a bit much, don't you think?
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Ok then... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one....Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, to discourage others from being reckless and justice must be served evenly.
The boy was his wife's son too. He had a responsibility to her as well as his son, and to innocent bystanders who could have been killed by an eight year old with a micro-uzi.
Actually you don't, because Dilbert is obviously correct.Turquoise wrote:
Ok then... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one....Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, to discourage others from being reckless and justice must be served evenly.
The boy was his wife's son too. He had a responsibility to her as well as his son, and to innocent bystanders who could have been killed by an eight year old with a micro-uzi.
lol... Well, that's a compelling argument.
Wow just wow. The amount of "lets lock everyone up" nuts. By chance do you people live in a free country?
I sure wish I did, it's retarded to think that ones personal choices should cause someone who had nothing to do with it be charged with a crime.
If I parked my car on the side of a road and someone got pushed into it and died should I be blamed cause my car was there?
I sure wish I did, it's retarded to think that ones personal choices should cause someone who had nothing to do with it be charged with a crime.
If I parked my car on the side of a road and someone got pushed into it and died should I be blamed cause my car was there?
'free country' is not a catch-all term for 'have no fucking personal responsibility'.
you cannot cite the fact that you live in a free country as an excuse for negligently giving a little kid a fully automatic weapon to shoot.
that's like letting your toddler take a stroll on the freeway and then saying "meh, free country! he can go where he likes!"
as dilbert said there's a compelling legal argument to punish the guy to set a public-moral example
you cannot cite the fact that you live in a free country as an excuse for negligently giving a little kid a fully automatic weapon to shoot.
that's like letting your toddler take a stroll on the freeway and then saying "meh, free country! he can go where he likes!"
as dilbert said there's a compelling legal argument to punish the guy to set a public-moral example
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" Spano was 15 at the time of the Massachusetts gun expo and was put in charge of allowing people to fire the 9 mm Micro Uzi"
Guilty. What the fuck is a 15yo doing handing out guns? A 15year old in charge of deciding who gets to fire an Uzi. Unbelievable. Both the father and the guy who set up the expo should both be charged, but im sure the father has been punished enough for his stupidity..
It shocks me that in the US it seams like a rights of passage thing that you must get a gun into your kids hand at as early an age as possible, so they can drunkenly boast to your mates about it. Their are idiots like that in Europe too. Only thing is the law is so strict on guns that this wouldn't happen. A minor in charge of any gun just wouldn't happen.
I had to handle an Air Rifle from 16-18 before my dad would let me near a proper gun. And at that it was a .22 bolt action. He has to spend 2 full days a year with the Police fire arms officer doing safety inspections etc. If the police even suspected that anyone but him, doesn't matter what age or experience as much as touched his guns they would take the licence & guns from him.
Guilty. What the fuck is a 15yo doing handing out guns? A 15year old in charge of deciding who gets to fire an Uzi. Unbelievable. Both the father and the guy who set up the expo should both be charged, but im sure the father has been punished enough for his stupidity..
It shocks me that in the US it seams like a rights of passage thing that you must get a gun into your kids hand at as early an age as possible, so they can drunkenly boast to your mates about it. Their are idiots like that in Europe too. Only thing is the law is so strict on guns that this wouldn't happen. A minor in charge of any gun just wouldn't happen.
I had to handle an Air Rifle from 16-18 before my dad would let me near a proper gun. And at that it was a .22 bolt action. He has to spend 2 full days a year with the Police fire arms officer doing safety inspections etc. If the police even suspected that anyone but him, doesn't matter what age or experience as much as touched his guns they would take the licence & guns from him.
No-one is calling for 'everyone' to be locked up, just the people whose negligence led to the death of an eight-year-old.Turquoise wrote:
Wow just wow. The amount of "lets lock everyone up" nuts. By chance do you people live in a free country?
Not so much set the standard, more to maintain it - people need reminding now and then.Uzique wrote:
as dilbert said there's a compelling legal argument to punish the guy to set a public-moral example
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Lock the eight-year-old up.Dilbert_X wrote:
No-one is calling for 'everyone' to be locked up, just the people whose negligence led to the death of an eight-year-old.Turquoise wrote:
Wow just wow. The amount of "lets lock everyone up" nuts. By chance do you people live in a free country?
Your argument is pretty good also.Turquoise wrote:
lol... Well, that's a compelling argument.
Because it doesn't happen much it shouldn't be prosecuted. You know what else doesn't happen much? Cannibalism.Turquoise wrote:
If there was an epidemic of people bringing their children to gun shows and accidentally killing them, then I suppose there would be harsher laws involving that too. Since that's not the case, we have to look at it as an isolated incident with tragic consequences.
I say the father has been through enough.
I think the kid's death already set that example. Further punishment is excessive.Uzique wrote:
'free country' is not a catch-all term for 'have no fucking personal responsibility'.
you cannot cite the fact that you live in a free country as an excuse for negligently giving a little kid a fully automatic weapon to shoot.
that's like letting your toddler take a stroll on the freeway and then saying "meh, free country! he can go where he likes!"
as dilbert said there's a compelling legal argument to punish the guy to set a public-moral example
This is just getting ridiculous. I'm done with this thread.DrunkFace wrote:
Because it doesn't happen much it shouldn't be prosecuted. You know what else doesn't happen much? Cannibalism.
wtf is a eight year old doing at a gun show? and shooting a gun?
I'm pretty sure the organizer is guilty. I'm pretty sure the dad should be in jail due to child protective services issues
I'm pretty sure the organizer is guilty. I'm pretty sure the dad should be in jail due to child protective services issues
i was 5 years old the first time i shot at a range.
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was a .380 constable and a .22 rifle though
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The have to be real careful with guns in Ireland because you don't want a population of angry drunkards armed.JahManRed wrote:
" Spano was 15 at the time of the Massachusetts gun expo and was put in charge of allowing people to fire the 9 mm Micro Uzi"
Guilty. What the fuck is a 15yo doing handing out guns? A 15year old in charge of deciding who gets to fire an Uzi. Unbelievable. Both the father and the guy who set up the expo should both be charged, but im sure the father has been punished enough for his stupidity..
It shocks me that in the US it seams like a rights of passage thing that you must get a gun into your kids hand at as early an age as possible, so they can drunkenly boast to your mates about it. Their are idiots like that in Europe too. Only thing is the law is so strict on guns that this wouldn't happen. A minor in charge of any gun just wouldn't happen.
I had to handle an Air Rifle from 16-18 before my dad would let me near a proper gun. And at that it was a .22 bolt action. He has to spend 2 full days a year with the Police fire arms officer doing safety inspections etc. If the police even suspected that anyone but him, doesn't matter what age or experience as much as touched his guns they would take the licence & guns from him.
You know there is 50 states and each region of the U.S. have slightly(can't stress that word enough) different cultures?JahManRed wrote:
It shocks me that in the US it seams like a rights of passage thing that you must get a gun into your kids hand at as early an age as possible, so they can drunkenly boast to your mates about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of … s#FirearmsRates of gun ownership vary greatly by region and by state, with gun ownership tending to be most common in Alaska, the Mountain States and the South and least common in Hawaii, the island territories and the Northeast megalopolis.
I know more people who have never seen a gun up close then people who have seen one let alone shot it. I live in the northeast btw.
Did you shot someone or yourself? Was it under your parents supervision and/or would you like for a child of yours to share in that experiance?eleven bravo wrote:
was a .380 constable and a .22 rifle though
I was a zygote when my momma stuck a .45 up her vigina and I pulled the trigger hitting a terrorist in the head.eleven bravo wrote:
i was 5 years old the first time i shot at a range.
Check out my war stories on my blog or I will be appearing here daily on the game forum. /bravoism
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Only thing i shot at that age was an air rifle.
