Poll

Did you vote for Bush?

Yes no regrets30%30% - 61
Yes refund please7%7% - 15
No wish I had4%4% - 8
No, are you crazy?57%57% - 114
Total: 198
yerded
Bertinator
+255|6876|Westminster, California

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

cali represent
Wha...?
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6975|California

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

cali represent
w3rd
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7011|PNW

Torin wrote:

...a leader who will act with our country's interests in mind, and not make hasty decisions because of disasters...
Treebeard for president?

I'd say goodbye to the lumber industry, but the sluggishness of Entmoot combined with Congress would allow me not to worry about that until the first man sets foot on Pluto.
whittsend
PV1 Joe Snuffy
+78|6998|MA, USA

Horseman 77 wrote:

Torin wrote:

I love how people just hand out negative karma anonymously as opposed to actually debating something. Yes, your point is well made. </sarcasm>
I never hit Neg Karma, its the " Punish Button " of forums and the Dark Side of the Force.
I agree.  I have only used neg Karma once, and that was because the poster was being an ass, not because I disagreed with him.

If you disagree with someone have the courtesy to debate them in the open, rather than giving a -1 and a smart ass comment.
Torin
Member
+52|6932
An anonymous smart ass comment, at that. It's like people use karma to replace actual debate, as somehow that is a worthwhile contribution.

In the past 24 hours, I received 3 negative karma with some smart ass comment attached, and no sign of an actual retort in the thread. If you really think my post is poorly worded, needs to be backed up better or you just think my opinion is lame, how about you debate with me instead of wussing out and sending some negative karma my way with a worthless comment?

Last edited by Torin (2006-05-10 07:08:49)

Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077

IRONxWyvern wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

If I was Running it We would have had B52s passing over Manhattan Headed West, that Night.
Even if it Was just for show.
Not too nitpick Horseman, but I think those B52s should have been heading East, unless you mean you want them to bomb California, which may not be a bad idea. 
Ya east thats what I  meant, Roflmao
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6935|NJ
All I have to say is thank god horseman isn't president we'd be bombing ourselves haha jk
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Horseman stop saying that attacks have on american's dropped to 0 our troops are american and it just makes you look silly.


Edit to make instruct. you can say attacks on american soil have dropped off to 0 to be accurate, And I have a ghost trap to sell you.
Accuracy? Have you been reading along here latley ? Everyone gets it if you don't.
Keep your ghost trap and find someone who actually listens to you next time you want to Sound like you are giving orders. We have Professional, Volunteer, Soldiers Fighting now, Not 3000 people dying in 20 minutes time. That's a big improvement over our previous responses or lack there of.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6935|NJ
Yeah but horseman it's a volunteer force but they are still american's and the point is we as a nation are still attacked. It's a sugar coating on a situation saying that america hasn't been attack isn't true.

Yeah sorry about the giving orders thing I was at a lost for words, and in the middle of something else. Hey mistakes happen. Didn't mean to come off as a dick.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077
Cool, I beleive its Trailing off in Iraq, the next year or two will bear me out or burry me. They will come up with some other plan no doubt.
yerded
Bertinator
+255|6876|Westminster, California
Horsey,
     I am a big believer in our reasons for bombing the bejesus out the smacktard iraqis.
As a war news buff, I have to point out that attacks are trailing off lately mostly because our  guys are spending a whole lot of time inside the green zone. There are entire cities that are virtually deserted by U.S. troops because it's just too dangerous.
     Here's what I'd do if I was DICKtator;
I would break Iraq into ten mile square grids on a map. I would announce that any attacks by IED's would result in the leveling of one square mile inside the ten square mile grid that the bombing took place in. The square mile to be leveled would be choosen at random.
     IED attacks stop day after first randomly choosen square mile is flattened.
     Don't worry, I'm not running for high office .

Last edited by yerded (2006-05-10 21:57:48)

Torin
Member
+52|6932

yerded wrote:

Horsey,
     I am a big believer in our reasons for bombing the bejesus out the smacktard iraqis.
As a war news buff, I have to point out that attacks are trailing off lately mostly because our  guys are spending a whole lot of time inside the green zone. There are entire cities that are virtually deserted by U.S. troops because it's just too dangerous.
     Here's what I'd do if I was DICKtator;
I would break Iraq into ten mile square grids on a map. I would announce that any attacks by IED's would result in the leveling of one square mile inside the ten square mile grid that the bombing took place in. The square mile to be leveled would be choosen at random.
     IED attacks stop day after first randomly choosen square mile is flattened.
     Don't worry, I'm not running for high office .
And that would be an even bigger catalyst for terrorism than we're providing already. Talk about hardening their resolve.
RAS_ace10
Member
+12|6992
i live in australia
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077
It is " their " country, their own police are patroling now. I am totally cool with the "Stay inside the green Zone plan" if it is indeed actually happening. I heard that Story only in a Propaganda piece, may or may not be factuall. I figured we'd be in Iraq 8 to 10 years ala Germany and Japan after WWII. If we get out sooner than that its a major acomplishment. Not that it would quell any patriotic dissenters.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883
the green zone is really not that big

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-05-11 06:41:24)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6935|NJ
I have to say because of Iraq's tecnology their not going to be able to be proberly policed or have an american type civilation for at least 20 years. Majority of the contry is based on a nomadic culture and that's why clergy have alot of power, because for years they where the form of Presidents.  I could be wrong though, but it's kinda comparable to South America where there's the main population, but they still have nomadic tribes living in the forests and such.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I have to say because of Iraq's tecnology their not going to be able to be proberly policed or have an american type civilation for at least 20 years. Majority of the contry is based on a nomadic culture and that's why clergy have alot of power, because for years they where the form of Presidents.  I could be wrong though, but it's kinda comparable to South America where there's the main population, but they still have nomadic tribes living in the forests and such.
you are right in that most the country is based on nomadic culture.   I really dont think the average iraqi cares about who runs the government as long as they are able to live their dirt farming lives.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-05-11 07:28:35)

Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I have to say because of Iraq's tecnology their not going to be able to be proberly policed or have an american type civilation for at least 20 years. Majority of the contry is based on a nomadic culture and that's why clergy have alot of power, because for years they where the form of Presidents.  I could be wrong though, but it's kinda comparable to South America where there's the main population, but they still have nomadic tribes living in the forests and such.
Being that less than 1/10 of the earths population sees a Flush toilet as a necessity I am also cool with

cpt.fass1 wrote:

"with Iraq's tecnology their not going to be able to be proberly policed or have an american type civilation for at least 20 years. "
Although I have absolutely no idea how you arrived at that figure. Saying Iraq's culture is nomadic is like saying Americas is Cowboy. It matters little how people lived 100 years ago. The nomadic tribes left are of little account.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077

Torin wrote:

yerded wrote:

Horsey,
     I am a big believer in our reasons for bombing the bejesus out the smacktard iraqis.
As a war news buff, I have to point out that attacks are trailing off lately mostly because our  guys are spending a whole lot of time inside the green zone. There are entire cities that are virtually deserted by U.S. troops because it's just too dangerous.
     Here's what I'd do if I was DICKtator;
I would break Iraq into ten mile square grids on a map. I would announce that any attacks by IED's would result in the leveling of one square mile inside the ten square mile grid that the bombing took place in. The square mile to be leveled would be choosen at random.
     IED attacks stop day after first randomly choosen square mile is flattened.
     Don't worry, I'm not running for high office .
And that would be an even bigger catalyst for terrorism than we're providing already. Talk about hardening their resolve.
When have I ever advocated any mass Bombings? Also Fuk the Resolve of some piss ass terrorist. History is leaving them behind. they are becoming out casts and minorities in the last few places that they had refuge.

The road side bomb is a piss poor excuse for any sort of Meaningfull Real action. It seems they kill more of their own while doing it.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6935|NJ
"I could be wrong though" horseman I came to that 20 year mark Just cause that what I figured it would be after all the conflict ends to build up roads and the infasturture(spl).

"The nomadic tribes left are of little account"

If I remember correctly GunSlinger OIF II  was in Iraq so I belive he will be able to tell if that's true?

I have to say that even though they might not be "nomadic" anymore the Roads leave alot of towns to fend for themself.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883
were not seeing a bunch of arabs roaming the desert in caravans and horses. but, the culture still exists.  Neighborhoods in iraq are divided by which historical tribe settled there.  In fact, you have soldiers in the iraqi army who refuse to serve alongside other soldiers if they belonged to the "clantons" or "mccoys" (something like that).  Ive witnessed riots in the ranks of the ING (iraqi national guard) where shiite and shiite were going at with mechetes and swords because of long standing rivalries between tribes.  They would throw their kalishnokovs on the ground and pick up something sharp or pointy.  Now if that is not an example of how arab nomadic history has seeped into modern arab society, i dont know what is.  In fact I am starting to recall something about the country is basically divided along tribal lines and boundaries.  If i could only find that trusty Iraq Smart book they gave us before the deployment
JE3146
Member
+109|6810|Oregon

yerded wrote:

I voted twice for this guy and I have been a life long gun owner and right winger.
That's why he got my vote. Personally I didn't like either canidate, but he was the lesser of two evils. Kerry was just a hypocrite that would have pushed another Brady bill into office. Taking hunting poses with shotguns while cosponsoring anti-firearm bills. Yes... please.. appeal to the people you're trying to take rights away from!


But I agree.. Bush has been a peice of work as well. Everytime I fill up my tank with ~3$ a gallon gas, I get pissed. I have good friends overseas that I worry about constantly as well.

Last edited by JE3146 (2006-05-11 12:41:46)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6935|NJ
So horseman the proof is in the pudding(or sand) so to speak. Their sociaty is based strongly on the clans and from my understanding of it is very nomadic.


Gunslinger yeah that'd be cool if you can get that info from the Iraq smart book(It seems like an oxymoron those two words together, baaaaziiiiiiinnnnnnggg)
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

were not seeing a bunch of arabs roaming the desert in caravans and horses. but, the culture still exists.  Neighborhoods in iraq are divided by which historical tribe settled there.  In fact, you have soldiers in the iraqi army who refuse to serve alongside other soldiers if they belonged to the "clantons" or "mccoys" (something like that).  Ive witnessed riots in the ranks of the ING (iraqi national guard) where shiite and shiite were going at with mechetes and swords because of long standing rivalries between tribes.  They would throw their kalishnokovs on the ground and pick up something sharp or pointy.  Now if that is not an example of how arab nomadic history has seeped into modern arab society, i dont know what is.  In fact I am starting to recall something about the country is basically divided along tribal lines and boundaries.  If i could only find that trusty Iraq Smart book they gave us before the deployment
Wow!  how cool is that! I know the Feeling too! Once I dropped a 1/2 inch drive Breaker Bar just to feel the guys neck With my bare Fingers Squeezing his Life out.
Torin
Member
+52|6932
o.....k.....

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