LOL @ one of my friends who responds to Assange's arrest by suggesting people "read the first amendment". He has all the free speech he can. It's really the possession and distribution of the secret material (that was stolen from governments, businesses, wherever) that is the crime he has committed.
actually I was under the impression that Assange's arrest has to do with his rape accusations in Sweden and nothing at all to do with the Wikileaks circus?DesertFox- wrote:
LOL @ one of my friends who responds to Assange's arrest by suggesting people "read the first amendment". He has all the free speech he can. It's really the possession and distribution of the secret material (that was stolen from governments, businesses, wherever) that is the crime he has committed.
It does, that's why I lol'd at him (even though his statement doesn't apply in either case).
'politically motivated' i think is the termKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
actually I was under the impression that Assange's arrest has to do with his rape accusations in Sweden and nothing at all to do with the Wikileaks circus?DesertFox- wrote:
LOL @ one of my friends who responds to Assange's arrest by suggesting people "read the first amendment". He has all the free speech he can. It's really the possession and distribution of the secret material (that was stolen from governments, businesses, wherever) that is the crime he has committed.
which, technically, is a perversion of justice
assange is gonna have a good court fight on his hands
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Wasn't there a 1.2GB document torrent floating around with a key getting unlocked when he doesn't login for a certain time period?
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that's his term. We'll see. I'm a little skeptic from both sides on this - the rape accusations seem a little shady, but Assange also strikes me as a slimeball just from cursory reading.Uzique wrote:
'politically motivated' i think is the termKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
actually I was under the impression that Assange's arrest has to do with his rape accusations in Sweden and nothing at all to do with the Wikileaks circus?DesertFox- wrote:
LOL @ one of my friends who responds to Assange's arrest by suggesting people "read the first amendment". He has all the free speech he can. It's really the possession and distribution of the secret material (that was stolen from governments, businesses, wherever) that is the crime he has committed.
which, technically, is a perversion of justice
assange is gonna have a good court fight on his hands
it's not a crime to be a slimeball, and its especially not a crime worth extradition to another country.
it's all such a big pantomime. everything has been so poorly handled, by both sides.
it's all such a big pantomime. everything has been so poorly handled, by both sides.
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i think it is dilbert tbh....i mean why would he/she be in the au spam thread?FEOS wrote:
Why do I feel like I'm talking to Dilbert here?Ticia wrote:
Blind faith in my government when you're the one making such poor excuses for yours? See I'm all for the truth, if it embarrasses my government be sure I'll be the first one jumping on them.
Give me the book your diplomats studied from because it must be a nice mix of Le Carre novels and the US Weekly. Your educated argument on this topic is diplomacy is all about duplicity, working contrary to international laws and diplomats who are incapable of a responsible behavior but your government is just doing what it has to do to play with the big bad wolves. With that mentality governments keep treating their citizens as dummies and a true informed democracy in action is nothing but a dream.
But because I give more than 2 cents about Murka I truly hope the leaks will at least make some heads roll.
There's no duplicity or international law breaking. Any allusions to Le Carre or his ilk are all in your head. You have some notion that diplomacy is pure as the driven snow...and that fault is purely of your own making. It is not, nor has it ever been, like that. It started out far more nefarious than it is today, but it retains its roots.
Diplomacy is a tool of national power, used to achieve national security objectives. It has no anthropomorphic qualities, as you attribute to it.
The US diplomatic corps has not violated international law. It has behaved exactly as the diplomatic corps of every other country on the face of the earth has behaved for decades, if not centuries. The only difference is that all of our business has been "outed" by someone with a hard-on for us. If the tables were turned and Wikileaks had all that information on another country's diplomatic cables, would you be squawking so loudly? Because you would have seen exactly the same kind of information. Guaran-fucking-teed.
The only head that will roll in the US over this is the one that belongs to PFC Manning, who provided the information to Assange. And rightly so.
Those who are "truly informed" on what diplomacy is and what functions it performs are not in the least bit bothered by the content, but by the fact the leaks happened in the first place. Those who are less informed are more upset by the content, because they don't understand the context of what they are reading.
lol... I can assure you that this isn't the case....11 Bravo wrote:
i think it is dilbert tbh....i mean why would he/she be in the au spam thread?
how?
We skype a lot. Unless Dilbert is really good at impersonating a Portuguese woman, they are definitely not the same.11 Bravo wrote:
how?
oh ok. then can she drink a glass of water while he talks?
lol... I'm not sure how to respond to that...11 Bravo wrote:
oh ok. then can she drink a glass of water while he talks?
Check the comments: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/572313 … _insuranceChou wrote:
Wasn't there a 1.2GB document torrent floating around with a key getting unlocked when he doesn't login for a certain time period?
Well considering wikileaks helped the original leakers in distributing the material worldwide and having it get as much attention as it had, I can imagine that for the US that would be a pretty severe offense.Uzique wrote:
it's not a crime to be a slimeball, and its especially not a crime worth extradition to another country.
it's all such a big pantomime. everything has been so poorly handled, by both sides.
I won't argue with the second sentence, that's quite true.
inane little opines
Surely someone, somewhere can crack that insurance file. There's almost no such thing as impossible when it comes to this shit
His swiss bank account has been shut down. They say it's because he does not live in Switzerland .. which is news to me. Visa, paypal, and mastercard have also suspended his transactions. They say its because they are looking in to whether or not he broke their tos. I'd say that's a little suspicious considering he named banks as his next targets.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
that's his term. We'll see. I'm a little skeptic from both sides on this - the rape accusations seem a little shady, but Assange also strikes me as a slimeball just from cursory reading.Uzique wrote:
'politically motivated' i think is the termKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
actually I was under the impression that Assange's arrest has to do with his rape accusations in Sweden and nothing at all to do with the Wikileaks circus?
which, technically, is a perversion of justice
assange is gonna have a good court fight on his hands
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I don't believe I've ever heard of what he's trying to do with this project? Is it to have some sort of "transparency" in government and banking or is he just being a giant dick? He's called an "activist" so surely he wants something.
Transparency in govt, keeping the liars honest.
Just think, if he'd been active 10 years ago we probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq.
Just think, if he'd been active 10 years ago we probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq.
Fuck Israel
aes 256 has never been cracked to date. the US aslo uses it for TOPSECRET filesMekstizzle wrote:
Surely someone, somewhere can crack that insurance file. There's almost no such thing as impossible when it comes to this shit
If it's some ridiculous password like 0398rkldlkdjflsADFLSDF!1jk3jl2krjKjLI)(@$#)*knlfklm1lp3irl$!#$!#$!#$!!!!!!3poriusdfklnsldkfslkdffuck then yeah it's pretty much impossibleMekstizzle wrote:
Surely someone, somewhere can crack that insurance file. There's almost no such thing as impossible when it comes to this shit
or the password is: "secret"
god damn it how did you knowHurricane2k9 wrote:
If it's some ridiculous password like 0398rkldlkdjflsADFLSDF!1jk3jl2krjKjLI)(@$#)*knlfklm1lp3irl$!#$!#$!#$!!!!!!3poriusdfklnsldkfslkdffuck then yeah it's pretty much impossibleMekstizzle wrote:
Surely someone, somewhere can crack that insurance file. There's almost no such thing as impossible when it comes to this shit
I am Julian Assange, that guy they arrested is just a decoy.Poseidon wrote:
god damn it how did you knowHurricane2k9 wrote:
If it's some ridiculous password like 0398rkldlkdjflsADFLSDF!1jk3jl2krjKjLI)(@$#)*knlfklm1lp3irl$!#$!#$!#$!!!!!!3poriusdfklnsldkfslkdffuck then yeah it's pretty much impossibleMekstizzle wrote:
Surely someone, somewhere can crack that insurance file. There's almost no such thing as impossible when it comes to this shit
You can read Assanges views here.DesertFox- wrote:
I don't believe I've ever heard of what he's trying to do with this project? Is it to have some sort of "transparency" in government and banking or is he just being a giant dick? He's called an "activist" so surely he wants something.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-dept … 5967241332
WIKILEAKS deserves protection, not threats and attacks.
IN 1958 a young Rupert Murdoch, then owner and editor of Adelaide's The News, wrote: "In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win."
His observation perhaps reflected his father Keith Murdoch's expose that Australian troops were being needlessly sacrificed by incompetent British commanders on the shores of Gallipoli. The British tried to shut him up but Keith Murdoch would not be silenced and his efforts led to the termination of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign.
Nearly a century later, WikiLeaks is also fearlessly publishing facts that need to be made public.
I grew up in a Queensland country town where people spoke their minds bluntly. They distrusted big government as something that could be corrupted if not watched carefully. The dark days of corruption in the Queensland government before the Fitzgerald inquiry are testimony to what happens when the politicians gag the media from reporting the truth.
These things have stayed with me. WikiLeaks was created around these core values. The idea, conceived in Australia, was to use internet technologies in new ways to report the truth.
WikiLeaks coined a new type of journalism: scientific journalism. We work with other media outlets to bring people the news, but also to prove it is true. Scientific journalism allows you to read a news story, then to click online to see the original document it is based on. That way you can judge for yourself: Is the story true? Did the journalist report it accurately?
Democratic societies need a strong media and WikiLeaks is part of that media. The media helps keep government honest. WikiLeaks has revealed some hard truths about the Iraq and Afghan wars, and broken stories about corporate corruption.
People have said I am anti-war: for the record, I am not. Sometimes nations need to go to war, and there are just wars. But there is nothing more wrong than a government lying to its people about those wars, then asking these same citizens to put their lives and their taxes on the line for those lies. If a war is justified, then tell the truth and the people will decide whether to support it.
If you have read any of the Afghan or Iraq war logs, any of the US embassy cables or any of the stories about the things WikiLeaks has reported, consider how important it is for all media to be able to report these things freely.
WikiLeaks is not the only publisher of the US embassy cables. Other media outlets, including Britain's The Guardian, The New York Times, El Pais in Spain and Der Spiegel in Germany have published the same redacted cables.
Yet it is WikiLeaks, as the co-ordinator of these other groups, that has copped the most vicious attacks and accusations from the US government and its acolytes. I have been accused of treason, even though I am an Australian, not a US, citizen. There have been dozens of serious calls in the US for me to be "taken out" by US special forces. Sarah Palin says I should be "hunted down like Osama bin Laden", a Republican bill sits before the US Senate seeking to have me declared a "transnational threat" and disposed of accordingly. An adviser to the Canadian Prime Minister's office has called on national television for me to be assassinated. An American blogger has called for my 20-year-old son, here in Australia, to be kidnapped and harmed for no other reason than to get at me.
And Australians should observe with no pride the disgraceful pandering to these sentiments by Julia Gillard and her government. The powers of the Australian government appear to be fully at the disposal of the US as to whether to cancel my Australian passport, or to spy on or harass WikiLeaks supporters. The Australian Attorney-General is doing everything he can to help a US investigation clearly directed at framing Australian citizens and shipping them to the US.
Prime Minister Gillard and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have not had a word of criticism for the other media organisations. That is because The Guardian, The New York Times and Der Spiegel are old and large, while WikiLeaks is as yet young and small.
We are the underdogs. The Gillard government is trying to shoot the messenger because it doesn't want the truth revealed, including information about its own diplomatic and political dealings.
Has there been any response from the Australian government to the numerous public threats of violence against me and other WikiLeaks personnel? One might have thought an Australian prime minister would be defending her citizens against such things, but there have only been wholly unsubstantiated claims of illegality. The Prime Minister and especially the Attorney-General are meant to carry out their duties with dignity and above the fray. Rest assured, these two mean to save their own skins. They will not.
Every time WikiLeaks publishes the truth about abuses committed by US agencies, Australian politicians chant a provably false chorus with the State Department: "You'll risk lives! National security! You'll endanger troops!" Then they say there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both. Which is it?
It is neither. WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US, with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.
US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn't find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published.
But our publications have been far from unimportant. The US diplomatic cables reveal some startling facts:
- The US asked its diplomats to steal personal human material and information from UN officials and human rights groups, including DNA, fingerprints, iris scans, credit card numbers, internet passwords and ID photos, in violation of international treaties. Presumably Australian UN diplomats may be targeted, too.
- King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia asked the US to attack Iran.
- Officials in Jordan and Bahrain want Iran's nuclear program stopped by any means available.
- Britain's Iraq inquiry was fixed to protect "US interests".
- Sweden is a covert member of NATO and US intelligence sharing is kept from parliament.
- The US is playing hardball to get other countries to take freed detainees from Guantanamo Bay. Barack Obama agreed to meet the Slovenian President only if Slovenia took a prisoner. Our Pacific neighbour Kiribati was offered millions of dollars to accept detainees.
In its landmark ruling in the Pentagon Papers case, the US Supreme Court said "only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government". The swirling storm around WikiLeaks today reinforces the need to defend the right of all media to reveal the truth.
Julian Assange is the editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.
Fuck Israel