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2010-11-29 18:57:28

#151

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

Ticia wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Shahter wrote:

but of course they didn't know exactly what other secret doc's were leaked back then. right.
They know exactly what was leaked. They've known since the day he was caught. The US government isn't surprised by these leaks, they're just rightfully pissed off.
Pissed? Try scared shitless. Sure is no surprise that duplicity is the very basis of US <INSERT COUNTRY NAME HERE> foreign policy, we all know it but proof like this is what we all wanted.
So as of now anyone who opposes this exposure is in fact supporting duplicity.

Fixed. Diplomacy is not about transparency. Never was, never will be.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2010-11-29 18:58:27

#152

Wreckognize: Member; +294|6725

JohnG@lt wrote:
Wreckognize wrote:
Guess what...going into pointless wars puts people in danger. Staying in pointless wars puts people in danger. Wikileaks doesn't publish everything that's submitted, they get massive amounts of submissions but only have so much publishing capabilities.
Hey Mr. Pothead Basement dweller, I forget, did we start the war in Afghanistan or did it start because some buildings were dropped about 180 miles from your mom's house?

Easy there pops don't give yourself a heart attack. I was primarily talking about the Iraq war but do you really think that it's economical to continue the war in Afghanistan?

2010-11-29 19:01:24

#153

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5598|London, England

Wreckognize wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Wreckognize wrote:
Guess what...going into pointless wars puts people in danger. Staying in pointless wars puts people in danger. Wikileaks doesn't publish everything that's submitted, they get massive amounts of submissions but only have so much publishing capabilities.
Hey Mr. Pothead Basement dweller, I forget, did we start the war in Afghanistan or did it start because some buildings were dropped about 180 miles from your mom's house?
Easy there pops don't give yourself a heart attack. I was primarily talking about the Iraq war but do you really think that it's economical to continue the war in Afghanistan?

Iraq war is over, haven't you heard? Afghanistan is a quagmire and regardless of whether it's economical or not to continue there, we are there, and American lives are now in danger because of Julian Assange. He's not a hero, no matter what your friends on Reddit might think.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-11-29 19:02:41

#154

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

Ticia wrote:
He's aiming for the easiest target since US intelligence is not smart enough to hide this documents in the first place.

PFC Numbnuts pulled the documents off of a classified network and walked out of a secure area with them. They were "hidden". Until someone who was wrongly trusted violated that trust.

Ticia wrote:
When it becomes so clear that your foreign policies have been made for the benefit of ignoble countries instead of your own...all you focus on is Assange.

This statement makes zero sense. Maybe as I continue reading the thread you will clarify in some way...

Edit: You were talking about "doing Saudi and Israeli dirty work". News flash: We're not. In fact, one of the "leaks" is King Abdullah pleading for us to do MORE regarding Iran. Then there's the whole European position regarding Iran that mirrors our own. But facts like that are inconvenient when it comes to bashing American foreign policy, I guess.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
One could argue that the bosses in charge are the ones putting our countrymen in danger; Wikileaks is just exposing it.

Those diplomatic cables--when written and transmitted--did not put anyone in danger.

Publishing them to an unintended audience did.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-11-29 22:28:07

#155

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6841|132 and Bush

I gotta say. The way he has released these leaks is pretty smart. By breaking it up every few months it's forcing the media/public to keep revisiting the issues. The American public isn't known for their attention span. Julien Asagne has been effective in staying in the limelight.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2010-11-30 02:39:36

#156

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

Dilbert_X wrote:
Erm, wasn't 9/11 done by Saudis?

And didn't they do much of their training in Florida? Why not nuke Florida?

your trolling does not help this discussion.

2010-11-30 03:05:56

#157

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

Mekstizzle wrote:
Americans start two wars/all sorts of shit around the world and then will always use any opportunity to blame everyone else except themselves and the enemy for their men dying.

you sound like one of those taliban nutters tbh. obl who controlled afghan basically.....he attacked us first. and saddam invaded kuwait and the saudis asked for our help is what started iraq. i swear everyday you start sounding more like a radical terrorist.

2010-11-30 03:08:58

#158

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

well in all honesty iraq started everything because laden told saudis he could protect them from iraq. saudis laughed at him and went with the US. laden was pissed and used daddies money and a fucked up religion to start another war.

2010-11-30 03:10:28

#159

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7016|Moscow, Russia

11 Bravo wrote:
Mekstizzle wrote:
Americans start two wars/all sorts of shit around the world and then will always use any opportunity to blame everyone else except themselves and the enemy for their men dying.
you sound like one of those taliban nutters tbh. obl who controlled afghan basically.....he attacked us first. and saddam invaded kuwait and the saudis asked for our help is what started iraq. i swear everyday you start sounding more like a radical terrorist.

obl controlled afghan? really?
saudis asked for your help... in kuwait? what do you or saidis have to do with kuwait?

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2010-11-30 03:12:27

#160

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6841|132 and Bush

Top US diplomat Hillary Clinton on Monday accused WikiLeaks of an "attack" on the world,

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2010-11-30 03:13:43

#161

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

Shahter wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Mekstizzle wrote:
Americans start two wars/all sorts of shit around the world and then will always use any opportunity to blame everyone else except themselves and the enemy for their men dying.
you sound like one of those taliban nutters tbh. obl who controlled afghan basically.....he attacked us first. and saddam invaded kuwait and the saudis asked for our help is what started iraq. i swear everyday you start sounding more like a radical terrorist.
obl controlled afghan? really?
saudis asked for your help... in kuwait? what do you or saidis have to do with kuwait?

saudis asked for our help to protect them...thats a fact. laden told them he would protect them they said no. thats a fact.

obl and his band of merry men controlled most of afghan...thats a fact.

2010-11-30 03:15:16

#162

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

Shahter wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Mekstizzle wrote:
Americans start two wars/all sorts of shit around the world and then will always use any opportunity to blame everyone else except themselves and the enemy for their men dying.
you sound like one of those taliban nutters tbh. obl who controlled afghan basically.....he attacked us first. and saddam invaded kuwait and the saudis asked for our help is what started iraq. i swear everyday you start sounding more like a radical terrorist.
obl controlled afghan? really?
saudis asked for your help... in kuwait? what do you or saidis have to do with kuwait?

idk about the first part. That's really subjective. But you REALLY need to read some history if you don't know about the second.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-11-30 03:17:19

#163

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7016|Moscow, Russia

11 Bravo wrote:
Shahter wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
you sound like one of those taliban nutters tbh. obl who controlled afghan basically.....he attacked us first. and saddam invaded kuwait and the saudis asked for our help is what started iraq. i swear everyday you start sounding more like a radical terrorist.
obl controlled afghan? really?
saudis asked for your help... in kuwait? what do you or saidis have to do with kuwait?
saudis asked for our help to protect them

... and to do that you first went to kuwait and then invaded iraq. some protection.

obl and his band of merry men controlled most of afghan...thats a fact.

wat? taliban controlled most of afghan. since when "obl and his band" = taliban?

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2010-11-30 03:18:26

#164

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

Shahter wrote:
... and to do that you first went to kuwait and then invaded iraq. some protection.

no..we went to saudi first to set up base. i swear where do you get your info?

2010-11-30 03:19:01

#165

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7016|Moscow, Russia

FEOS wrote:
Shahter wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:

you sound like one of those taliban nutters tbh. obl who controlled afghan basically.....he attacked us first. and saddam invaded kuwait and the saudis asked for our help is what started iraq. i swear everyday you start sounding more like a radical terrorist.
obl controlled afghan? really?
saudis asked for your help... in kuwait? what do you or saidis have to do with kuwait?
idk about the first part. That's really subjective. But you REALLY need to read some history if you don't know about the second.

i know exactly what excuses you used / made up to invade, thank you very much.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2010-11-30 03:20:12

#166

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

ok. this discussion is over i am not going to play with trolls. have a good day!

2010-11-30 03:20:55

#167

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6841|132 and Bush

Shahter wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Shahter wrote:

obl controlled afghan? really?
saudis asked for your help... in kuwait? what do you or saidis have to do with kuwait?
idk about the first part. That's really subjective. But you REALLY need to read some history if you don't know about the second.
i know exactly what excuses you used / made up to invade, thank you very much.

what was your excuse?

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2010-11-30 03:23:12

#168

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

Shahter wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Shahter wrote:

obl controlled afghan? really?
saudis asked for your help... in kuwait? what do you or saidis have to do with kuwait?
idk about the first part. That's really subjective. But you REALLY need to read some history if you don't know about the second.
i know exactly what excuses you used / made up to invade, thank you very much.

Did your world start in 2003 or something?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-11-30 03:26:28

#169

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

not sure how any can argue that the taliban did not control afghan during the mid 90's.

2010-11-30 03:28:33

#170

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

11 Bravo wrote:
not sure how any can argue that the taliban did not control afghan during the mid 90's.

The argument could come in whether UBL controlled Afghanistan during any timeframe. That's what I was getting at, which was how I read the first part of your post.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-11-30 03:29:51

#171

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

FEOS wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
not sure how any can argue that the taliban did not control afghan during the mid 90's.
The argument could come in whether UBL controlled Afghanistan during any timeframe. That's what I was getting at, which was how I read the first part of your post.

well without laden the taliban would not have been that powerful. hence laden and his band of merry men.

2010-11-30 03:33:37

#172

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

11 Bravo wrote:
FEOS wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
not sure how any can argue that the taliban did not control afghan during the mid 90's.
The argument could come in whether UBL controlled Afghanistan during any timeframe. That's what I was getting at, which was how I read the first part of your post.
well without laden the taliban would not have been that powerful. hence laden and his band of merry men.

Not sure how UBL made the Taliban any more powerful than they already were. I would say it was the other way around, since the Taliban provided UBL and AQ with a safe and relatively obscure place to train/hide once they left Sudan. He's just a millionaire. Not like he's got enough cash or arms to bankroll/arm a nation...

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-11-30 03:35:04

#173

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

meh after reading lots of things my conclusion was him and other groups basically kept the taliban going

2010-11-30 03:37:46

#174

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6651|'Murka

11 Bravo wrote:
meh after reading lots of things my conclusion was him and other groups basically kept the taliban going

I don't see how. What kept the Taliban going was their control over the Afghanistan population. UBL had nothing to do with that.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-11-30 03:39:00

#175

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

k ill try and explain later this evening...at work right now.

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