ghettoperson
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jord wrote:

Shahter wrote:

jord wrote:

Whistleblowers usually do it to further freedom of information and get the truth out there or for notoriety and personal fame.
/facepalm
you do beleave that, don't you?
The guy is making no profit from this, so what other motive do you think he's leaked this for?
He gets to jerk off and feel self important about how much power he has over huge nations?

The guy is an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible. It's one thing to release something like a government minister is taking bribes or something like that, but just mass releasing diplomatic papers for the sake of causing trouble between countries serves no purpose.
jord
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ghettoperson wrote:

jord wrote:

Shahter wrote:


/facepalm
you do beleave that, don't you?
The guy is making no profit from this, so what other motive do you think he's leaked this for?
He gets to jerk off and feel self important about how much power he has over huge nations?

The guy is an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible. It's one thing to release something like a government minister is taking bribes or something like that, but just mass releasing diplomatic papers for the sake of causing trouble between countries serves no purpose.
That comes under wanting fame/notoriety, which I listed as one of two logical reasons for leaking this kind of information. I'm asking shahter what other reason he thinks the guy did this for.
Shahter
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ghettoperson wrote:

The guy is an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible.
and somebody continuously supplies him with classified info. for lulz. right.

/facepalm
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Shocking
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Shahter wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

The guy is an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible.
and somebody continuously supplies him with classified info. for lulz. right.

/facepalm
Somebody really hates the US.

Is that good enough for you?
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ghettoperson
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jord wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

jord wrote:


The guy is making no profit from this, so what other motive do you think he's leaked this for?
He gets to jerk off and feel self important about how much power he has over huge nations?

The guy is an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible. It's one thing to release something like a government minister is taking bribes or something like that, but just mass releasing diplomatic papers for the sake of causing trouble between countries serves no purpose.
That comes under wanting fame/notoriety, which I listed as one of two logical reasons for leaking this kind of information. I'm asking shahter what other reason he thinks the guy did this for.
Sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with you.

TBH I really wouldn't be surprised if he shows up dead after this lot. There's nothing too incriminating, but he's starting to tread on a lot of toes, especially countries with less restraint than the US. I'm thinking particularly here about the Russian government ties with the Mafia.

@Sharter: I'm thinking it's left over from the previous guy who got arrested. I can't think it's that easy to sneak that kind of quantity of data out, especially after it happening last time.
Jay
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I <3 my Representative

The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee wants the Obama administration to aggressively pursue WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) says he’s asked Attorney General Eric Holder to take quick action. “I am calling on the attorney general and supporting his efforts to fully prosecute WikiLeaks and its founder for violating the Espionage Act,” King told a New York radio station.
King, now the ranking Republican on the homeland security panel, also asked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to determine whether it’s possible to declare WikiLeaks a foreign terrorist organization. Doing that, he said, would give the U.S. government authority “to seize their funds and go after anyone who provides them with any help or contributions or assistance whatsoever.”

And the congressman said he believes his call for action will get plenty of congressional backing. “I’m confident you’ll find many people in the Congress, the House and Senate, who will support my demand for the prosecution and also the declaring of WikiLeaks to be a foreign terrorist organization,” he said.

The latest document dump from WikiLeaks has put "American lives at risk all over the world," King said. "This is worse even than a physical attack on Americans, it's worse than a military attack."
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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o damn, now I can't visit their website and read their shit.
ghettoperson
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JohnG@lt wrote:

I <3 my Representative

The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee wants the Obama administration to aggressively pursue WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) says he’s asked Attorney General Eric Holder to take quick action. “I am calling on the attorney general and supporting his efforts to fully prosecute WikiLeaks and its founder for violating the Espionage Act,” King told a New York radio station.
King, now the ranking Republican on the homeland security panel, also asked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to determine whether it’s possible to declare WikiLeaks a foreign terrorist organization. Doing that, he said, would give the U.S. government authority “to seize their funds and go after anyone who provides them with any help or contributions or assistance whatsoever.”

And the congressman said he believes his call for action will get plenty of congressional backing. “I’m confident you’ll find many people in the Congress, the House and Senate, who will support my demand for the prosecution and also the declaring of WikiLeaks to be a foreign terrorist organization,” he said.

The latest document dump from WikiLeaks has put "American lives at risk all over the world," King said. "This is worse even than a physical attack on Americans, it's worse than a military attack."
I think prosecuting them as a terrorist organisation is utterly ridiculous, but surely by posting classified material he's breaking some law?
Jay
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ghettoperson wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I <3 my Representative

The incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee wants the Obama administration to aggressively pursue WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) says he’s asked Attorney General Eric Holder to take quick action. “I am calling on the attorney general and supporting his efforts to fully prosecute WikiLeaks and its founder for violating the Espionage Act,” King told a New York radio station.
King, now the ranking Republican on the homeland security panel, also asked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to determine whether it’s possible to declare WikiLeaks a foreign terrorist organization. Doing that, he said, would give the U.S. government authority “to seize their funds and go after anyone who provides them with any help or contributions or assistance whatsoever.”

And the congressman said he believes his call for action will get plenty of congressional backing. “I’m confident you’ll find many people in the Congress, the House and Senate, who will support my demand for the prosecution and also the declaring of WikiLeaks to be a foreign terrorist organization,” he said.

The latest document dump from WikiLeaks has put "American lives at risk all over the world," King said. "This is worse even than a physical attack on Americans, it's worse than a military attack."
I think prosecuting them as a terrorist organisation is utterly ridiculous, but surely by posting classified material he's breaking some law?
He's aiding and abetting terrorists by posting information they can use in the war against us while also trying to undermine our ability on the world stage. Assange is a fucking moron and I hope he meets an assassins bullet tbh.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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JohnG@lt wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I <3 my Representative


I think prosecuting them as a terrorist organisation is utterly ridiculous, but surely by posting classified material he's breaking some law?
He's aiding and abetting terrorists by posting information they can use in the war against us while also trying to undermine our ability on the world stage. Assange is a fucking moron and I hope he meets an assassins bullet tbh.
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11 Bravo wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Mek were you hitting f5 every minute to see if it was released?

lol

Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family.
I'm guessing you were though on this thread so you could say that to me
sorry sir but there is a 26 minute gap
How does it feel to have your own retarded logic used against you?

Anyway, the Iranian response to what the Arab countries were saying made me lol. ''It's all a US conspiracy, the leaks were done on purpose'' - Give it a rest, everyone knows you guys hate Arabs and Arabs hate you guys even more, they even laugh at you because you got owned and follow their religion with all the T's crossed and I's dotted. These guys are a bunch of clowns.
Shocking
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ghettoperson wrote:

I think prosecuting them as a terrorist organisation is utterly ridiculous, but surely by posting classified material he's breaking some law?
I don't think it's too far a stretch tbh.

Yemen claimed responsibility for airstrikes to send a message to Al Qaeda&co that Yemen isn't a safe harbor for terrorists. Wikileaks just disclosed that yemen doesn't actually have the capability to defend itself from terrorist organisations and that the US were the ones that conducted the air strikes.

That is 100% surely aiding terrorists.
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Shahter
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dayarath wrote:

Shahter wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

The guy is an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible.
and somebody continuously supplies him with classified info. for lulz. right.

/facepalm
Somebody really hates the US.

Is that good enough for you?
somebody, who has access to top secret stuff and "really hates the US" continuosly gives this stuff to... "an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible" internet troll. right.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Jay
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It's not 'continuous' Shahter. This is all stuff leaked by one pissed off Army Specialist who had a higher clearance than he deserved. Wikileaks is simply dragging out the releases in order to make bigger headlines.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Shocking
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Shahter wrote:

somebody, who has access to top secret stuff and "really hates the US" continuosly gives this stuff to... "an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible" internet troll. right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

mr. Manning is responsible for all the leaks so far, he's a 23 year old idiot. It's sad that so much information is leaked by a junior official.
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yeah... shahter better focus on the donors to wikileaks if he wants to make his point
Shahter
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JohnG@lt wrote:

It's not 'continuous' Shahter. This is all stuff leaked by one pissed off Army Specialist who had a higher clearance than he deserved. Wikileaks is simply dragging out the releases in order to make bigger headlines.

dayarath wrote:

Shahter wrote:

somebody, who has access to top secret stuff and "really hates the US" continuosly gives this stuff to... "an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible" internet troll. right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

mr. Manning is responsible for all the leaks so far, he's a 23 year old idiot. It's sad that so much information is leaked by a junior official.
/sigh. and you, guys, beleave all this? one idiot leaks all this shit to another idiot, they publish it on internetz for lulz and nothing happens to them. i mean, c'mon, you can't be that naive.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Spark
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Is this your default argument? You seem to say "you can't be that naive" rather than actually coming up with any points a lot.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Shocking
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Shahter wrote:

/sigh. and you, guys, beleave all this? one idiot leaks all this shit to another idiot, they publish it on internetz for lulz and nothing happens to them. i mean, c'mon, you can't be that naive.
The first time around that wikileaks leaked files it would've damaged the US's image internationally if mr. Assange would go "missing" all of a sudden.

I'm pretty sure they're not going to get away with this round of file leaking.

Last edited by dayarath (2010-11-29 07:28:59)

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ghettoperson
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JohnG@lt wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I <3 my Representative
I think prosecuting them as a terrorist organisation is utterly ridiculous, but surely by posting classified material he's breaking some law?
He's aiding and abetting terrorists by posting information they can use in the war against us while also trying to undermine our ability on the world stage. Assange is a fucking moron and I hope he meets an assassins bullet tbh.
I thought I was on my own here. I'm all in favour of rooting out corruption, but this doesn't seem to be doing that at all, it's just exposing anything with secret written on it. At least the video of the Apaches blowing up some journalists you could sort of justify it as a moral reason. Their analysis of the video was completely wrong, but still. I was getting pissed off with all the hero worship that's going on on Reddit and other websites for this guy.
Shahter
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Spark wrote:

Is this your default argument?
when people make idiotic claims like those above about a coupla small timers pulling all that shit off? - yes.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Jay
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Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

It's not 'continuous' Shahter. This is all stuff leaked by one pissed off Army Specialist who had a higher clearance than he deserved. Wikileaks is simply dragging out the releases in order to make bigger headlines.

dayarath wrote:

Shahter wrote:

somebody, who has access to top secret stuff and "really hates the US" continuosly gives this stuff to... "an asshole, and frankly is fucking irresponsible" internet troll. right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

mr. Manning is responsible for all the leaks so far, he's a 23 year old idiot. It's sad that so much information is leaked by a junior official.
/sigh. and you, guys, beleave all this? one idiot leaks all this shit to another idiot, they publish it on internetz for lulz and nothing happens to them. i mean, c'mon, you can't be that naive.
Nothing happens to them? Manning is going to go on trial for treason. The punishment for treason is life in prison or death.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Shahter
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dayarath wrote:

Shahter wrote:

/sigh. and you, guys, beleave all this? one idiot leaks all this shit to another idiot, they publish it on internetz for lulz and nothing happens to them. i mean, c'mon, you can't be that naive.
The first time around that wikileaks leaked files it would've damaged the US's image internationally if mr. Assange would go "missing" all of a sudden.
really? more so than stuff that followed?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Shocking
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ghettoperson wrote:

I thought I was on my own here. I'm all in favour of rooting out corruption, but this doesn't seem to be doing that at all, it's just exposing anything with secret written on it. At least the video of the Apaches blowing up some journalists you could sort of justify it as a moral reason. Their analysis of the video was completely wrong, but still. I was getting pissed off with all the hero worship that's going on on Reddit and other websites for this guy.
should be extradited to the US imo, he's on some sort of a hate campaign and completely oblivious to the importance of classified documents.

As you said, exposing corrupt gov officials is one thing but this is definately wrong.
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Jay
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ghettoperson wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:


I think prosecuting them as a terrorist organisation is utterly ridiculous, but surely by posting classified material he's breaking some law?
He's aiding and abetting terrorists by posting information they can use in the war against us while also trying to undermine our ability on the world stage. Assange is a fucking moron and I hope he meets an assassins bullet tbh.
I thought I was on my own here. I'm all in favour of rooting out corruption, but this doesn't seem to be doing that at all, it's just exposing anything with secret written on it. At least the video of the Apaches blowing up some journalists you could sort of justify it as a moral reason. Their analysis of the video was completely wrong, but still. I was getting pissed off with all the hero worship that's going on on Reddit and other websites for this guy.
I'm all about free speech, but not when it comes at the expense of human lives. The information he has posted has undoubtedly already led to deaths in Afghanistan. Whether it's Afghan tribesmen or coalition soldiers, he has blood on his hands. Assange is a murderer, not a hero.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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