BF2S Forums North Korea shells disputed South Korean island

Ah my mistake, it was the capitalists are evil rant, not the Communism is the answer rant.

FEOS wrote:

Nothing ridiculous about it. They sunk a ship earlier this year, they regularly infiltrate SOF teams, there have been multiple air-to-air incidents, DMZ incidents (to include indirect fire exchanges). And far more people/property were killed/damaged in those other incidents.

Again...yay for no short (or long) term memory.

I linked you a list of the incidents that occured inbetween both koreas, there is only one incident which I know of which stands out as being just as bad or even worse.

October 30, 1968: From October 30 to November 2, 120 to 130 North Korean commandos land on the northeast shore of South Korea, allegedly to wage a guerilla war against the South Korean government. A total of 110 to 113 were killed, seven were captured, and 13 escaped. Around 20 South Korean civilians, law enforcment officers, and soldiers were killed.

And that was in 1968. Besides that point there used to be a large interval inbetween rather violent incidents that left people dead. This time, it's within a year. This is also the first time I believe that north korea has used artillery to fire over the border since at the very least 50 years.

Furthermore, now South Korea is supplying North Korea with aid to feed their population. North Korea keeps making demands for more aid and doesn't want to talk on deadlines, this adds even extra stress to the situation. Not to mention the fact that in the last two decades the relations inbetween the two countries, even though there were periods in which they tried to reconciliate, has progressively gotten worse.

I don't think you can seriously believe that this incident is just like any other. There's only so much people can take, and judging by the reaction of the south korean president, press and people - the majority has just about had it. The Cheonan was already bad, but this is even worse, even though there are less casualties. Material damage and deaths doesn't decide the perceived severity of an incident.

It's as if you're trying to state "oh, people died in that region? again? old news - this happens all the time, nothing bad can follow up from that". Which in itself, IS ridiculous and short-sighted.

Last edited by dayarath (2010-11-25 06:43:46)

dayarath wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Nothing ridiculous about it. They sunk a ship earlier this year, they regularly infiltrate SOF teams, there have been multiple air-to-air incidents, DMZ incidents (to include indirect fire exchanges). And far more people/property were killed/damaged in those other incidents.

Again...yay for no short (or long) term memory.

I linked you a list of the incidents that occured inbetween both koreas, there is only one incident which I know of which stands out as being just as bad or even worse.

October 30, 1968: From October 30 to November 2, 120 to 130 North Korean commandos land on the northeast shore of South Korea, allegedly to wage a guerilla war against the South Korean government. A total of 110 to 113 were killed, seven were captured, and 13 escaped. Around 20 South Korean civilians, law enforcment officers, and soldiers were killed.

And that was in 1968. Besides that point there used to be a large interval inbetween rather violent incidents that left people dead. This time, it's within a year. This is also the first time I believe that north korea has used artillery to fire over the border since at the very least 50 years.

Furthermore, now South Korea is supplying North Korea with aid to feed their population. North Korea keeps making demands for more aid and doesn't want to talk on deadlines, this adds even extra stress to the situation. Not to mention the fact that in the last two decades the relations inbetween the two countries, even though there were periods in which they tried to reconciliate, has progressively gotten worse.

I don't think you can seriously believe that this incident is just like any other. There's only so much people can take, and judging by the reaction of the south korean president, press and people - the majority has just about had it. The Cheonan was already bad, but this is even worse, even though there are less casualties. Material damage and deaths doesn't decide the perceived severity of an incident.

It's as if you're trying to state "oh, people died in that region? again? old news - this happens all the time, nothing bad can follow up from that". Which in itself, IS ridiculous and short-sighted.

Sorry...I've been doing planning for a shooting war there for almost ten years. None of this is new. Some of it gets more press than others, but it's still more of the same.

I guess if you're not accustomed to the assclownery, you see it for something bigger than it is.

dayarath wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Sorry...I've been doing planning for a shooting war there for almost ten years. None of this is new. Some of it gets more press than others, but it's still more of the same.

I guess if you're not accustomed to the assclownery, you see it for something bigger than it is.

I see it more as a keg that's about to burst and the amount of pressure that you can add until that happens is getting really small.

The Chonger pulls this BS fairly regularly, to greater and lesser degrees. But it's never in nK's interests to go to war, because they know they will not win in the long term, even if they secure short-term victories. It's all about internal and external posturing, not actually starting a war.

Ticia wrote:

If only instead of that wuss Obama, ballsy Sarah was there

Sarah Palin: 'We've got to stand with our North Korean allies'

o lol

and people wonder why palin is called an idiot.

Although a slip of a tongue isn't as much of an issue as the quote later on in the article

"[M]embers of her traveling party met Palin at the Rtitz-Carlton near Reagan airport, in Pentagon City, Virginia – and found that, although she'd made some progress with her memorization and studies, her grasp of rudimentary facts and concepts was minimal. Palin couldn't explain why North and South Korea were separate nations. She didn't know what the Fed did. Asked who attacked America on 9/11, she suggested several times that it was Saddam Hussain. And asked to identify the enemy that her son would be fighting in Iraq, she drew a blank"

I'm pretty sure Palin knows what happened with Korea after ww2, just the media taking things out of proportion as usual.

Spark wrote:

And what are the South Koreans going to do? I mean, they're only an hour or two from having Seoul completely flattened and incinerated.

Nothing, probly just whine at North Korea and beg them to stop. We'll just have to wait and see.

Last edited by War Man (2010-11-25 20:50:22)

Ticia wrote:

If only instead of that wuss Obama, ballsy Sarah was there

Sarah Palin: 'We've got to stand with our North Korean allies'

I would have believed that came out of our vp's mouth also. He's another gaffe machine.

YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea – North Korea warned Friday that planned U.S.-South Korean military drills are pushing the peninsula to the brink of war as a U.S. military commander toured the wreckage of an island devastated by a North Korean artillery barrage.
Pyongyang's state news agency said drills this weekend involving South Korean forces and a U.S. nuclear powered supercarrier in Yellow Sea waters south of Tuesday's skirmish between the rival Koreas amount to a reckless move to target the North.
"The situation on the Korean peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war," the dispatch from the Korean Central News Agency said. "Gone are the days when verbal warnings are served only," the agency said, adding that North Korea's army and people are "now greatly enraged" and "getting fully ready to give a shower of dreadful fire."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101126/ap_ … reas_clash

Originally I thought this wasn't a big deal and would pass like all other incidents... but I really think NK wants war here.

Last edited by Poseidon (2010-11-25 22:27:24)

Reciprocity wrote:

if china agrees to stay out of it maybe it's time to finish this.

Would it be a correct statement to say that North Korea eventually has to be dealt with?

Edit:

North Korea just shelled the same island again. What the fuck?!

Last edited by -Sh1fty- (2010-11-25 23:40:49)

I haven't read what sanctions were placed on North Korea.

What does North Korea starving to death have anything to do with their shelling to lift sanctions? Are the two related? I think it's pretty fucked up if the sanctions imposed by the UN cause the NKs to starve.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I haven't read what sanctions were placed on North Korea.

What does North Korea starving to death have anything to do with their shelling to lift sanctions? Are the two related? I think it's pretty fucked up if the sanctions imposed by the UN cause the NKs to starve.

this is international politics for you:
you wanna do something you know you'll get yelled at for - so you do something even worse, something horrible and outright atrocious, get yelled at for doing it... but get away with stuff you wanted to do in the first place.

Why would China give a crap about US forces being right on their land border? They can just as easily parachute them in or sail them in. The Marine Corps is supposed to secure a beach head so forces can land anyway.

Kmar wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

if china agrees to stay out of it maybe it's time to finish this.

China wont stay out. The refugee problem would be a nightmare for them. They also don't want American/sk troops marching north.. which they would certainly do to  secure nuclear material.

In regards to long-term regional stability, there is no downside for anyone in removing North Korea.  I can understand the short-term problem of refugees but even china has to see that North Korea's current existence is a pointless, fruitless endeavor.   Economically, they've got far more in common with South Korea.  Maybe china could just kill lil' kim and his family and install a nice modern chinese style commie regime.  a capitalist corrupted communist government must be better than a nepotist corrupted communist government.