JahManRed
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+646|6904|IRELAND

Ticia wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Patent dignity? Don't want to be harsh, but they lost their dignity when they nearly eat themselves to death to need an ambulance in the first place. What, should we erect curtains around them when we are moving them to protect their dignity? Should they be in a separate ward to protect their dignity? Fucking protect your own dignity, its your own responsibility. Don't eating like a horse.
Dignity? Id fucking roll them outta the house and down to the hospital like a beer keg. They lost their dignity a long time ago.
What a shitty argument. So patients loose their dignity by getting sick?
Just because someone needs treatment doesn't mean they're stripped from their basic rights.
I understand that the cycle of depression at being fat can cause them to eat more and I do feel for them and they need treated, more phycilogically than anything else. Unfortunately its treated almost like a disease rather than a mental disorder of sorts.

Its the whole dignity argument more than anything else that annoys me. Yes its going to be shitty for a 40stone man to be lifted with a digger outta his bed into a semi trailer. But his dignity went long before that. And spending money creating better ways to transport fat people would be better spent treating their problem at the core. It almost like society is admitting that morbidly obese people are now an acceptable part of our society by creating specifics for them. Its like they are here to stay and we are cool with it. Well fuck that. Its not ok and the more we make it normal the easier it is for the rest of society to forget about them. " The fattys got their truck sized ambulances paid by my taxes................that's my conscience clear and I can put them outta my mind"
Its harsh times, recession etc etc. Being able to afford people dignity is gone. Ask the man out begging to feed his family because he has no work about dignity.
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Ticia
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JahManRed wrote:

Ticia wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Patent dignity? Don't want to be harsh, but they lost their dignity when they nearly eat themselves to death to need an ambulance in the first place. What, should we erect curtains around them when we are moving them to protect their dignity? Should they be in a separate ward to protect their dignity? Fucking protect your own dignity, its your own responsibility. Don't eating like a horse.
Dignity? Id fucking roll them outta the house and down to the hospital like a beer keg. They lost their dignity a long time ago.
What a shitty argument. So patients loose their dignity by getting sick?
Just because someone needs treatment doesn't mean they're stripped from their basic rights.
I understand that the cycle of depression at being fat can cause them to eat more and I do feel for them and they need treated, more phycilogically than anything else. Unfortunately its treated almost like a disease rather than a mental disorder of sorts.

Its the whole dignity argument more than anything else that annoys me. Yes its going to be shitty for a 40stone man to be lifted with a digger outta his bed into a semi trailer. But his dignity went long before that. And spending money creating better ways to transport fat people would be better spent treating their problem at the core. It almost like society is admitting that morbidly obese people are now an acceptable part of our society by creating specifics for them. Its like they are here to stay and we are cool with it. Well fuck that. Its not ok and the more we make it normal the easier it is for the rest of society to forget about them. " The fattys got their truck sized ambulances paid by my taxes................that's my conscience clear and I can put them outta my mind"
Its harsh times, recession etc etc. Being able to afford people dignity is gone. Ask the man out begging to feed his family because he has no work about dignity.
Acceptable part of our society? What about they exist whether you approve of them or not. Junkies, AIDS patients,all the cancer patients who we can blame for getting sick, old people who refuse to die quickly are being treated with your taxes too, want to do what about them?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6681|North Carolina

Ticia wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Ticia wrote:


What a shitty argument. So patients loose their dignity by getting sick?
Just because someone needs treatment doesn't mean they're stripped from their basic rights.
I understand that the cycle of depression at being fat can cause them to eat more and I do feel for them and they need treated, more phycilogically than anything else. Unfortunately its treated almost like a disease rather than a mental disorder of sorts.

Its the whole dignity argument more than anything else that annoys me. Yes its going to be shitty for a 40stone man to be lifted with a digger outta his bed into a semi trailer. But his dignity went long before that. And spending money creating better ways to transport fat people would be better spent treating their problem at the core. It almost like society is admitting that morbidly obese people are now an acceptable part of our society by creating specifics for them. Its like they are here to stay and we are cool with it. Well fuck that. Its not ok and the more we make it normal the easier it is for the rest of society to forget about them. " The fattys got their truck sized ambulances paid by my taxes................that's my conscience clear and I can put them outta my mind"
Its harsh times, recession etc etc. Being able to afford people dignity is gone. Ask the man out begging to feed his family because he has no work about dignity.
Acceptable part of our society? What about they exist whether you approve of them or not. Junkies, AIDS patients,all the cancer patients who we can blame for getting sick, old people who refuse to die quickly are being treated with your taxes too, want to do what about them?
Well, to be honest, quarantining AIDS patients and people with HIV is probably the best approach there.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6687|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

Ticia wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Patent dignity? Don't want to be harsh, but they lost their dignity when they nearly eat themselves to death to need an ambulance in the first place. What, should we erect curtains around them when we are moving them to protect their dignity? Should they be in a separate ward to protect their dignity? Fucking protect your own dignity, its your own responsibility. Don't eating like a horse.
Dignity? Id fucking roll them outta the house and down to the hospital like a beer keg. They lost their dignity a long time ago.
What a shitty argument. So patients loose their dignity by getting sick?
Just because someone needs treatment doesn't mean they're stripped from their basic rights.
He has a point though...  You really can't get that large without subjecting yourself to absurd levels of neglect.
Or having an endocrine disorder. People seem to think the only way you get obese is by stuffing your face with fattening food.
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Ticia
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Turquoise wrote:

Ticia wrote:

JahManRed wrote:


I understand that the cycle of depression at being fat can cause them to eat more and I do feel for them and they need treated, more phycilogically than anything else. Unfortunately its treated almost like a disease rather than a mental disorder of sorts.

Its the whole dignity argument more than anything else that annoys me. Yes its going to be shitty for a 40stone man to be lifted with a digger outta his bed into a semi trailer. But his dignity went long before that. And spending money creating better ways to transport fat people would be better spent treating their problem at the core. It almost like society is admitting that morbidly obese people are now an acceptable part of our society by creating specifics for them. Its like they are here to stay and we are cool with it. Well fuck that. Its not ok and the more we make it normal the easier it is for the rest of society to forget about them. " The fattys got their truck sized ambulances paid by my taxes................that's my conscience clear and I can put them outta my mind"
Its harsh times, recession etc etc. Being able to afford people dignity is gone. Ask the man out begging to feed his family because he has no work about dignity.
Acceptable part of our society? What about they exist whether you approve of them or not. Junkies, AIDS patients,all the cancer patients who we can blame for getting sick, old people who refuse to die quickly are being treated with your taxes too, want to do what about them?
Well, to be honest, quarantining AIDS patients and people with HIV is probably the best approach there.
Treatment these days allows them to have relatively long normal lives, are you saying is better to deny them that? Are we going to blame them for getting sick too?
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6681|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ticia wrote:


What a shitty argument. So patients loose their dignity by getting sick?
Just because someone needs treatment doesn't mean they're stripped from their basic rights.
He has a point though...  You really can't get that large without subjecting yourself to absurd levels of neglect.
Or having an endocrine disorder. People seem to think the only way you get obese is by stuffing your face with fattening food.
There's large and then there's fucking enormous.  Fucking enormous is from neglect.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6681|North Carolina

Ticia wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ticia wrote:


Acceptable part of our society? What about they exist whether you approve of them or not. Junkies, AIDS patients,all the cancer patients who we can blame for getting sick, old people who refuse to die quickly are being treated with your taxes too, want to do what about them?
Well, to be honest, quarantining AIDS patients and people with HIV is probably the best approach there.
Treatment these days allows them to have relatively long normal lives, are you saying is better to deny them that? Are we going to blame them for getting sick too?
No, the quarantining is for the safety of the rest of society.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6687|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


He has a point though...  You really can't get that large without subjecting yourself to absurd levels of neglect.
Or having an endocrine disorder. People seem to think the only way you get obese is by stuffing your face with fattening food.
There's large and then there's fucking enormous.  Fucking enormous is from neglect.
In some cases, sure. In some cases, it's from a metabolic/endocrine disorder. Not every morbidly obese case is due to neglect.
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FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Or having an endocrine disorder. People seem to think the only way you get obese is by stuffing your face with fattening food.
There's large and then there's fucking enormous.  Fucking enormous is from neglect.
In some cases, sure. In some cases, it's from a metabolic/endocrine disorder. Not every morbidly obese case is due to neglect.
Then we should screen for the genes that cause that disorder and abort the fetus or sterilize the newborn. Duh.





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JohnG@lt wrote:

Then we should screen for the genes that cause that disorder and abort the fetus or sterilize the newborn. Duh.





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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6681|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


There's large and then there's fucking enormous.  Fucking enormous is from neglect.
In some cases, sure. In some cases, it's from a metabolic/endocrine disorder. Not every morbidly obese case is due to neglect.
Then we should screen for the genes that cause that disorder and abort the fetus or sterilize the newborn. Duh.

(sarcasm)
Well, we should screen for the genes that cause that disorder and let the family know ahead of time what's in store for them as with any predispositions for cancer, heart disease, etc.
JahManRed
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+646|6904|IRELAND

Ticia wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Ticia wrote:


What a shitty argument. So patients loose their dignity by getting sick?
Just because someone needs treatment doesn't mean they're stripped from their basic rights.
I understand that the cycle of depression at being fat can cause them to eat more and I do feel for them and they need treated, more phycilogically than anything else. Unfortunately its treated almost like a disease rather than a mental disorder of sorts.

Its the whole dignity argument more than anything else that annoys me. Yes its going to be shitty for a 40stone man to be lifted with a digger outta his bed into a semi trailer. But his dignity went long before that. And spending money creating better ways to transport fat people would be better spent treating their problem at the core. It almost like society is admitting that morbidly obese people are now an acceptable part of our society by creating specifics for them. Its like they are here to stay and we are cool with it. Well fuck that. Its not ok and the more we make it normal the easier it is for the rest of society to forget about them. " The fattys got their truck sized ambulances paid by my taxes................that's my conscience clear and I can put them outta my mind"
Its harsh times, recession etc etc. Being able to afford people dignity is gone. Ask the man out begging to feed his family because he has no work about dignity.
Acceptable part of our society? What about they exist whether you approve of them or not. Junkies, AIDS patients,all the cancer patients who we can blame for getting sick, old people who refuse to die quickly are being treated with your taxes too, want to do what about them?
People with aids have a desease, cancer patents have a desease. Fat people do not have a desease like cancer or Aids, they have a desease of the mind and it should be treated that way. Junkies? Id give a junkie a huge bag of clean smack and let them fuck off and do what every they want with it, because they wouldnt be robbing and stealing of the rest of us.
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For a lot of people adult weight is more or less determined by the age of 4, and once people get fat it takes a phenomenal effort to get back to normal.

Compulsive over-eating is almost as much a disorder as anorexia.

I'm going with 'I dunno lol', but nations are going to struggle to bear the associated costs.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6687|'Murka

JahManRed wrote:

People with aids have a desease, cancer patents have a desease. Fat people do not have a desease like cancer or Aids, they have a desease of the mind and it should be treated that way. Junkies? Id give a junkie a huge bag of clean smack and let them fuck off and do what every they want with it, because they wouldnt be robbing and stealing of the rest of us.
People whose endocrine system (and thus metabolism) is messed up have a disease, as well.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
JahManRed
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+646|6904|IRELAND

FEOS wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

People with aids have a disease, cancer patents have a disease. Fat people do not have a disease like cancer or Aids, they have a disease of the mind and it should be treated that way. Junkies? Id give a junkie a huge bag of clean smack and let them fuck off and do what every they want with it, because they wouldn't be robbing and stealing of the rest of us.
People whose endocrine system (and thus metabolism) is messed up have a disease, as well.
Yeah I agree. But id say the majority are people caught in an endless cycle of depression. From what I've read on the subject. Its eat to feel better about yourself, feel guilty, eat to feel better about that, get depressed about your size, eat to feel better about that and so on.
The systems answer is to accommodate them. To give them anti depressants by the bucket. To make them go away.
Plus allot of these people have feeders. People who get gratification, often sexual, feeding up someone to that size. These people should be treated like criminals imo.
Ticia
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JahManRed wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Acceptable part of our society? What about they exist whether you approve of them or not. Junkies, AIDS patients,all the cancer patients who we can blame for getting sick, old people who refuse to die quickly are being treated with your taxes too, want to do what about them?
People with aids have a desease, cancer patents have a desease. Fat people do not have a desease like cancer or Aids, they have a desease of the mind and it should be treated that way. Junkies? Id give a junkie a huge bag of clean smack and let them fuck off and do what every they want with it, because they wouldnt be robbing and stealing of the rest of us.
Want to go back to the first post? The issue is about morbidly obese people who NEED MEDICAL TREATMENT, does anyone needs an ambulance when they're healthy?

As for dignity...it runs deeper. When it comes to hospitals and healthcare patients are treated like cattle with no rights, and the real question is should anyone be ok with it? Take being sick and have some nazi nurse sponge bath you in front of everyone else in the room, I imagine it must be slightly different from porn but no need to complain since your dignity left you when you got sick, right?

Doesn't really matter your strong feelings on fat people, in fact all that hate is a little bit disturbing, if you have a problem because your taxes are being used to treat the sick then move to some place without socialized healthcare, you'll complain about some other issue there.

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