BF2S Forums Well, looks like the Democrats have lost the midterms

The health car law was shit because they didn't focus on the problem--health care costs. And because they didn't focus on the real problem, they focused on insurance and thus had to pander to special interests (insurance companies) to get their buy-in. There was no pandering to the GOP. They shoved it down the GOP's throat because they had the numbers.

That's the good thing about the situation now: there will either be compromise or gridlock. If Obama wants legislation passed he must work in a bipartisan fashion, and the same applies to the GOP.

Spark wrote:

How effective is obstructionist politics in this situation? How likely will the GOP see it as in their interest to not want legislation passed?

It's not a matter of "obstructionist politics". That has a connotation that I think is unwarranted.

It's a matter of forcing cooperation on issues to end up with legislation that is in line with the center-right mentality of the majority of the population.

Spark wrote:

Don't worry about that question then. How likely is it that the GOP will see that it benefits them to not see legislation passed?

Depends on the legislation, tbh.

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Spark wrote:

How effective is obstructionist politics in this situation? How likely will the GOP see it as in their interest to not want legislation passed?

It's not a matter of "obstructionist politics". That has a connotation that I think is unwarranted.

It's a matter of forcing cooperation on issues to end up with legislation that is in line with the center-right mentality of the majority of the population.

Honestly, I don't think cooperation is really a part of Congress anymore.  We're often led to believe that's how things get passed, but in reality, it seems more like just a matter of whoring out a bill for as much pork as can be added to it while watering down any of the original intentions of the bill.

Instead of electing representatives, we should just sell Congressional seats to lobbyists.  Why bother with the middle men and pretend we live in a democratic republic?

And if that happens, there will be another wholesale changeover in two years.

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Honestly, I don't think cooperation is really a part of Congress anymore.  We're often led to believe that's how things get passed, but in reality, it seems more like just a matter of whoring out a bill for as much pork as can be added to it while watering down any of the original intentions of the bill.

Instead of electing representatives, we should just sell Congressional seats to lobbyists.  Why bother with the middle men and pretend we live in a democratic republic?

And if that happens, there will be another wholesale changeover in two years.

It depends....  If you can buy off enough of the media to go along with it, you can get away with more.  It's just a matter of making sure that the people believe they aren't being swindled.  They're going to get swindled one way or another -- that's just the nature of government and people in power.

That being said, we've done an exceptionally good job of convincing ourselves that we aren't being swindled most of the time.

This administration and Congress had the bulk of the media in their hip pocket for the past four years and it didn't make a difference.

We aren't the ignorant sheep you want us all to be, Turq.

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

We aren't the ignorant sheep you want us all to be, Turq.

I don't know...  The majority believed in all that hopey changey stuff from Obama.  The majority believed Bush wouldn't nation build back in 2000.

Most people really are sheep.   All that matters is how you guide them.

I don't think that was the case. I think the people were sending a message to the party in power. Just like they did on Tuesday.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

FUCK are you serious? well it's only 3% of precincts reporting right now

oh well, californians have made their own bed. They'd rather continue to enable the cartels instead of be fucking sensible.

The idiocy that pervades this country makes me want to grab a nail gun and put it in my mouth sometimes.

I don't smoke weed but even I would've voted in favor of it simply to destroy the cartels and gang violence in the cities.

I am not sure it would. Examples are out there.

ending prohibition worked wonders.

" Fix Everything you've got 2 years. "

Term limits
End Gerrymandering.
End Perks
End junkets
Cut Congressional and senate Staffs.
Punish  Congressional and Senate corruption severely. ( Nail to crosses maybe ? ) at the very least in the general prison population.
Cut Taxes. on everything every where. Gas, sales, estate, capital-gains, etc.
Drill Here
Drill Now
Drill safe
Guard the border with the military that have to practice there craft somewhere anyway.
Make sure our military is number one and stays that way
One prison system for everyone.
Restore the Death Peanalty.
Make prisons a Penal system again.
Make prisons an 88 hour a week ( work house ) source of labour. ( even if it means they turn a capstan to create electricity )
Make prisons  have Church/Spiritual guidance Education and books ONLY ( on thier one day off )
End  parole
Repeal all the laws that hinder citizens and not criminals ( IE Gun Laws )
No Free anything for " Illegals "
No Free anything for " Non Citizens " 
public housing is temporary and only for needy.
Make the poor uncomfortable in their poverty.
Make English the National language.
Legalize drug use in a responsible manner *
I am just getting started

(* you cant all be the future. there ain't that much future to go around. If you want to opt out of the race do so and enjoy yourselves )

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2010-11-05 05:29:28)

Cybargs wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I don't smoke weed but even I would've voted in favor of it simply to destroy the cartels and gang violence in the cities.

I am not sure it would. Examples are out there.

ending prohibition worked wonders.

are you being sarcastic ?

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

I am not sure it would. Examples are out there.

ending prohibition worked wonders.

are you being sarcastic ?

so you would ban alcohol as well?

I don't know, is Australia in America?