Turquoise
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_ … e_outbreak

Haiti – Hundreds of protesters who blame U.N. peacekeepers from Nepal for Haiti's widening cholera epidemic marched on a rural military base Friday to demand the soldiers leave the country.

Demonstrators waving tree branches and carrying anti-U.N. banners walked from the central plateau city of Mirebalais several miles to the gates of the base perched above a tributary of the Artibonite River — a waterway identified by health officials as a conduit for the infection.

The protesters chanted "Like it or not, they must go" as the Nepalese soldiers and other U.N. peacekeepers remained inside.

Cholera has sparked widespread fear in Haiti, where it was unknown before the outbreak was first noticed by authorities Oct. 20. As of Friday morning, more than 4,700 people have been hospitalized and at least 330 have died, according to the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

There has been no scientific conclusion on the origin of the epidemic, which became evident when dozens of patients began dying with high fevers and watery diarrhea at a hospital in the town of St. Marc a few miles from the last stretch of the river.

Experts say the disease was likely imported. Until this month there had not been a diagnosed case of cholera in Haiti as far back as records go in the mid-20th Century, said Claire-Lise Chaignat, head of the global task force on cholera control at the World Health Organization. The disease is pandemic in parts of Africa and Asia.

Speculation among Haitians is increasingly centered on the Nepalese peacekeeping base near Mirebalais, much of it being stoked by politicians including the town's mayor — a Senate candidate — ahead of the Nov. 28 national elections.

Cholera is endemic in Nepal and the country suffered outbreaks this summer. The current troop contingent arrived in shifts starting Oct. 9, after the outbreak in their home country and shortly before the disease broke out in Haiti. Cases have been concentrated downriver along the Artibonite.

The U.N. mission in Haiti responded to the rumors with a statement Tuesday saying that sanitation around the base was in line with the standards set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the United Nations.

But when Associated Press journalists visited Wednesday, they found open and cracked pipes behind the base, with U.N. military investigators taking samples. There was an overpowering smell of human waste, and a pipe leading toward a septic tank was leaking foul-smelling black fluid toward the river.

The waste is dumped across the street in open pits that residents, who live a few yards away, said often overflow into the Artibonite tributary running below. The contractor, Sanco Enterprises SA, says the pits are sprayed with bleach.


Looks like the shit really has hit the fan...  er... river.

So, what should be done now?
Macbeth
Banned
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So, what should be done now?
Nothing, let the free market take care of it.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina
Uh... so, Haiti will become a lot less populated....
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Let's see how responsive the UN is to it's own problems. My guess is it will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations.
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rdx-fx
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FEOS wrote:

Let's see how responsive the UN is to it's own problems. My guess is it will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations.
I foresee a 'strongly worded letter condemning the actions in the harshest way possible', and not a millifucktonne more.
eleven bravo
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FEOS wrote:

Let's see how responsive the UN is to it's own problems. My guess is it will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations.
the UN is only as strong as its members (everyone) allow it to be.
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AussieReaper
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eleven bravo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Let's see how responsive the UN is to it's own problems. My guess is it will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations.
the UN is only as strong as its members (everyone) allow it to be.
I'd say it's even weaker than that because of the Veto powers of the US, China, Russia, United Kingdom and France. Who all generally have reasons to oppose one another...
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina
The UN is pretty useless in general partially because of that.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6689|'Murka

AussieReaper wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Let's see how responsive the UN is to it's own problems. My guess is it will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations.
the UN is only as strong as its members (everyone) allow it to be.
I'd say it's even weaker than that because of the Veto powers of the US, China, Russia, United Kingdom and France. Who all generally have reasons to oppose one another...
Wrong. The force there can do whatever it needs to do to clean up its own mess. It might need support from mother UN to do it. At which point, the UN bureaucracy will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations. Rather than acting in the best interest of the Haitian people it is ostensibly there to help, it will worry about its own image and processes instead.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:


the UN is only as strong as its members (everyone) allow it to be.
I'd say it's even weaker than that because of the Veto powers of the US, China, Russia, United Kingdom and France. Who all generally have reasons to oppose one another...
Wrong. The force there can do whatever it needs to do to clean up its own mess. It might need support from mother UN to do it. At which point, the UN bureaucracy will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations. Rather than acting in the best interest of the Haitian people it is ostensibly there to help, it will worry about its own image and processes instead.
The paralyzation is partially due to the conflicts of interests among the members of the Security Council though.   I'm not saying that applies specifically to this situation, but for example, the US blocks most motions against Israel.

Each member has its pet nations.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6689|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


I'd say it's even weaker than that because of the Veto powers of the US, China, Russia, United Kingdom and France. Who all generally have reasons to oppose one another...
Wrong. The force there can do whatever it needs to do to clean up its own mess. It might need support from mother UN to do it. At which point, the UN bureaucracy will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations. Rather than acting in the best interest of the Haitian people it is ostensibly there to help, it will worry about its own image and processes instead.
The paralyzation is partially due to the conflicts of interests among the members of the Security Council though.   I'm not saying that applies specifically to this situation, but for example, the US blocks most motions against Israel.

Each member has its pet nations.
If it were a UNSC situation, you would have a valid point. This is not a UNSC situation.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Wrong. The force there can do whatever it needs to do to clean up its own mess. It might need support from mother UN to do it. At which point, the UN bureaucracy will be paralyzed by inaction and demand support from member nations. Rather than acting in the best interest of the Haitian people it is ostensibly there to help, it will worry about its own image and processes instead.
The paralyzation is partially due to the conflicts of interests among the members of the Security Council though.   I'm not saying that applies specifically to this situation, but for example, the US blocks most motions against Israel.

Each member has its pet nations.
If it were a UNSC situation, you would have a valid point. This is not a UNSC situation.
That's why I said it doesn't apply to this situation.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


The paralyzation is partially due to the conflicts of interests among the members of the Security Council though.   I'm not saying that applies specifically to this situation, but for example, the US blocks most motions against Israel.

Each member has its pet nations.
If it were a UNSC situation, you would have a valid point. This is not a UNSC situation.
That's why I said it doesn't apply to this situation.
So it's an irrelevant example.

The UN--as a whole--is broken and rather pointless. It has nothing to do with anyone playing favorites on the UNSC. It is the UN's approach to problem-solving, innate corruption in its officials, and bureaucratic nonsense that's more focused on face-saving than problem solving that makes it worthless...not the US vetoing resolutions against Israel.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


If it were a UNSC situation, you would have a valid point. This is not a UNSC situation.
That's why I said it doesn't apply to this situation.
So it's an irrelevant example.

The UN--as a whole--is broken and rather pointless. It has nothing to do with anyone playing favorites on the UNSC. It is the UN's approach to problem-solving, innate corruption in its officials, and bureaucratic nonsense that's more focused on face-saving than problem solving that makes it worthless...not the US vetoing resolutions against Israel.
So you would agree that it is useless.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6689|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


That's why I said it doesn't apply to this situation.
So it's an irrelevant example.

The UN--as a whole--is broken and rather pointless. It has nothing to do with anyone playing favorites on the UNSC. It is the UN's approach to problem-solving, innate corruption in its officials, and bureaucratic nonsense that's more focused on face-saving than problem solving that makes it worthless...not the US vetoing resolutions against Israel.
So you would agree that it is useless.
The UN? I believe I said it was useless earlier. And in many threads prior to this.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
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Sounds like we need to push it off of our land then.  There's no sense in keeping it in NY.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Turquoise wrote:

Sounds like we need to push it off of our land then.  There's no sense in keeping it in NY.
OK. You go rent a Ryder truck. Stop by the fertilizer store...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Sounds like we need to push it off of our land then.  There's no sense in keeping it in NY.
OK. You go rent a Ryder truck. Stop by the fertilizer store...
...or fly a plane into it....
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6689|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Sounds like we need to push it off of our land then.  There's no sense in keeping it in NY.
OK. You go rent a Ryder truck. Stop by the fertilizer store...
...or fly a plane into it....
If you did it my way, you'd be ATG's hero.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Jay
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Why would Nepalese soldiers be in Haiti anyway? Shouldn't they be off fighting China?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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eleven bravo
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fact: majoriy of peace keeping operations are conducted by soldiers from developing nations.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


OK. You go rent a Ryder truck. Stop by the fertilizer store...
...or fly a plane into it....
If you did it my way, you'd be ATG's hero.
lol
Uzique
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league of nations wouldnt have stood for this shit
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jord
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Why would Nepalese soldiers be in Haiti anyway? Shouldn't they be off fighting China?
They should be off joining the Gurkhas is what they should be doing.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5636|London, England

jord wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Why would Nepalese soldiers be in Haiti anyway? Shouldn't they be off fighting China?
They should be off joining the Gurkhas is what they should be doing.
I liked the Gurkhas I met. They looked harmless but I hear they fight like devils.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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